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Spaceman Future!
Feb 9, 2007

Exclamation Marx posted:

should i make a bernie sanders propaganda thread here or in gbs?

if you are gonna get tired of it aver 3 hours, gbs.

if you are a marathon man, here.

you can go the distance.

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Cool Bear
Sep 2, 2012

Exclamation Marx posted:

should i make a bernie sanders propaganda thread here or in gbs?

I have never posted in GBS except when I wanted to stalk and destroy My Imaginary Girlfriend and his post history had some GBS so I went there with the goal of hurting him, but otherwise I don't think I ever have.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Exclamation Marx posted:

should i make a bernie sanders propaganda thread here or in gbs?

It will have the exact same people posting in it regardless

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Exclamation Marx posted:

should i make a bernie sanders propaganda thread here or in gbs?

here please dont make me go to gbs

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


Woolie Wool posted:

The problem is we sold everything we could use for that purpose to reap the wages of whiteness, which were denied to European immigrants who did not disown their original selves (see Teddy Roosevelt ranting about "hyphenated Americans", that sort of sentiment was directed primarily at "white ethnics" who did not conform to the Anglos' satisfaction). This process was often only partial for Southern European immigrants and Jews are pretty much excepted altogether (the fact that Jews continue to experience ethnic discrimination is not coincidental), but for Northern Europeans the process is pretty much complete.

The history of "white ethnics" and the methods used to destroy their cultures and split the alliances they sometimes made with people of color is several layers of depressing.


Yes, but that's a separate thing from what I was talking about. I was talking about people eliminating the ethnic identity of "white person". The people who advocate that probably would say it is necessary to achieve what you described but it is not actually the same thing.
how do you feel about 'white hispanic' as an identity, out of curiosity?

also, i feel that whiteness has as much to do with not being ethnic as much as it has to do with skin color. basically, the ideal white person in america is a monolingual english-speaking wasp, which is why my arab, turkish, persian, and armenian friends can all go 'yeah, i'm not white' and no one really questions it.

also, while we're on the topic, i've always thought that the idea that white as an identity will grow to encompass hispanics and asians is bullshit. maybe white hispanics and mixed-race east asians, but the rest of us are too culturally not-wasp to do the assimilation thing any time in the next century.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

paranoid randroid posted:

the only reason I can think of listen to 90s rap without paying attention to the lyrics is that you really like Isley Brothers samples

tbf those Isley brother samples are really fuckin good

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
But post it here as I have no power in gbs as they are not snotty enough there to post things like "you intellectual loving child"

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Cool Bear posted:

I wasn't saying they should do it now... I was asking how such a policy choice would manifest itself so that I could hopefully derail the discussion away from my extreme obsession with hardcore anime porn.

Inflation has not been a problem, I agree and I do not want any contractionary policy. I wonder when I will. JM Keynes teaches us that we will need it at some point, in order to build a budget surplus and a lower overall government debt in order to allow us to go into larger debt and larger deficit when the time comes for the next stimulus. I think maybe twenty years if we are lucky. Many experts will sound the alarm bell right this moment.
Budget deficits are actually good because Treasury bonds to finance them are cash equivalents and an important source of short term financing. The ratio of debt to GDP is more relevant but deficits not existing would be bad for the economy.

quote:

When I said that decreasing interest rates on loans will not affect businesses due to the fact that businesses and banks have high cash reserves, that was absolutely correct and you are incorrect. When a business wants to take out a loan, it needs to look at the rate of return it can get from either taking out a loan from a bank, or spending that money on itself to get a return from its own decisions and work. It will look at how much cash it has on hand, just sitting there in a reserve, and make a decision about risk. If it has a ton of pure liquid cash sitting there because of how GOOD the economy is doing for the wealthy right now, then it does not NEED a low interest LOAN from any bank.
What? Corporations always need liquidity. Short term, to meet payroll and other needs, and long term for growth. The corporate bond market is Godzilla compared to the equity market

quote:

From whgat I understand, QE is in fact, the central bank purchasing something somehow similar to a treasury bond, and if you want to make a vocab distinction, you are almost certainly correct. What I think I know is that the government is purchasing debt that they owe from people who were trying to loan them money. Basically they are paying off the loans early, and allowing the institutions to reinvest that cash in new liquid assets which may or may not be the same exact government debt that they were already invested in. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG.

QE is an injection of capital through purchasing assets, sometimes T Bills, yes, but also others like mortgage backed securities. It's not a loan to the government, the Fed and Treasury are distinct, its an expansion of the money supply

quote:

All banks loan from the fed... in theory and in theory they all care what the fed rate is, because they borrow money from the fed. If the banks don't give a poo poo what the interest rate is on a loan from the fed, well then the fed has even less power than we thought it does. (It has very little power, much less than it should)
The Fed only loans money when there are liquidity issues as its lender of last resort function. The interest rate is what banks charge each other when trading federal reserve funds. The Fed affects this by purchasing assets, not by loaning.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

also, while we're on the topic, i've always thought that the idea that white as an identity will grow to encompass hispanics and asians is bullshit. maybe white hispanics and mixed-race east asians, but the rest of us are too culturally not-wasp to do the assimilation thing any time in the next century.

:agreed:

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
though i read an interesting op/ed in the NYT a few weeks ago from a chinese-canadian man married to an irish-american, with whom he has two young kids; he says that his wife basically "doesn't really feel white anymore" even though she's blonde, has blue eyes, because their kids are really visibly mixed

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Badger of Basra posted:

i read books but don't pay attention to the words

rap is just aurally pleasing for me it's why i listen to a lot of non-english rap as well

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Jagchosis posted:

rap is just aurally pleasing for me it's why i listen to a lot of non-english rap as well

i'm sure this is why kpop is so huge here

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

where is warsz these songza playlists are poo poo

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
alright, as long as y'all contribute

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


Jerry Manderbilt posted:

i'm sure this is why kpop is so huge here
i, uh, can't tell if you're being ironic

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


jagchosis did you laugh when r mute disclosed that he has never studied economics

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
I'm filing the serial numbers off my collection of 2008 vintage Ron Paul memes even as we speak

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

i, uh, can't tell if you're being ironic

i've never listened to kpop and don't know any of it aside from gangnam style but jesus christ a ton of my acquaintances won't shut up about it

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


i have liked some kpop

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

i've never listened to kpop and don't know any of it aside from gangnam style but jesus christ a ton of my acquaintances won't shut up about it

are your acquaintances korean

Berke Negri posted:

jagchosis did you laugh when r mute disclosed that he has never studied economics

shocking if true

Cool Bear
Sep 2, 2012

Jagchosis posted:

Budget deficits are actually good because Treasury bonds to finance them are cash equivalents and an important source of short term financing. The ratio of debt to GDP is more relevant but deficits not existing would be bad for the economy.

OH YEAH?!?! GUESS WHAT!!!

ZIMBABWE!!!!!!

Zimbabwe experienced the most mathematically significant hyperinflation in all of history in only the past few years. This appeared on all the local news stations.

Sample Problem 1.
Determine the rate of return necessary in order to be reasonably competitive among the cash equivalent money market funds in Zimbabwe in 2005.

Sample Problem 2.
What is the rate of inflation in any first world country in 2005 vs Zimbabwe.
What is the rate of inflation in Germany in 1925 and why?
Why do humans exist?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

punk: is it dead?

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Badger of Basra posted:

punk: is it dead?

ye

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Badger of Basra posted:

are your acquaintances korean

they're either white or chinese

Zeitgueist
Aug 8, 2003

by Ralp
Z I M B A B W E

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Berke Negri posted:

jagchosis did you laugh when r mute disclosed that he has never studied economics

tbh i couldn't blame him. but a little bit yeah, economics seems pretty crucial to marxism

Cool Bear posted:

OH YEAH?!?! GUESS WHAT!!!

ZIMBABWE!!!!!!

Zimbabwe experienced the most mathematically significant hyperinflation in only the past few years. This appeared on all the local news stations.

Sample Problem 1.
Determine the rate of return necessary in order to be reasonably competitive among the cash equivalent money market funds in Zimbabwe in 2005.

Sample Problem 2.
What is the rate of inflation in any first world country in 2005 vs Zimbabwe.
What is the rate of inflation in Germany in 1925 and why?
Why do humans exist?

do you honestly believe american debt is as likely to default as zimbabwe's or the weimer republic's

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


i mean, i know it's huge among, like all 2% of the us population that consists of asian millennials, plus young white girls on the internet, but i don't think it's huge among those groups because of its pleasing aural qualities. which is not to say kpop is bad, but i feel like there are other things going on there, for those groups.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Zeitgueist posted:

Z I M B A B W E

shalom

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

i mean, i know it's huge among, like all 2% of the us population that consists of asian millennials, plus young white girls on the internet, but i don't think it's huge among those groups because of its pleasing aural qualities. which is not to say kpop is bad, but i feel like there are other things going on there, for those groups.

cum handshakes is what's going on imo

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Badger of Basra posted:

punk: is it dead?

yes

although the last great "punk" album i've listened to was surprisingly Chuck from Sum 41

Zeitgueist
Aug 8, 2003

by Ralp

Jagchosis posted:

do you honestly believe american debt is as likely to default as zimbabwe's or the weimer republic's

american debt is definitely a worry because zimbabwe and not a primary means of economic hegemony

Cool Bear
Sep 2, 2012

Badger of Basra posted:

punk: is it dead?

*screaming insanely* I voted for a democrat

*guitar explodes with rage* I should have broke the car windshield at occupy wall street

*screams insanely again* the unions in america are good and not bad

*run away in fear and never get a job again*

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
the only kpop I've heard aside from Psy was a couple of acts who made an abortive attempt to break in America back in like 2009 or so and they were both autotuned to hell and had music videos that looked like a fight scene from that ff7 movie.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Mecca-Benghazi posted:

how do you feel about 'white hispanic' as an identity, out of curiosity?
Well the two really are at odds with each other. To actually get across the divide you have to actively disown your Latino identity (Nezua the Unapologetic Mexican explains how it works) to become a "made" white Hispanic person.

quote:

also, i feel that whiteness has as much to do with not being ethnic as much as it has to do with skin color. basically, the ideal white person in america is a monolingual english-speaking wasp, which is why my arab, turkish, persian, and armenian friends can all go 'yeah, i'm not white' and no one really questions it.
Well whiteness is ethnic. Whiteness replaced the original English-American ruling ethnicity to drive a wedge between poor Europeans and black slaves who might otherwise realize they have common interests (overthrowing the planter class). The problem is that whiteness as an ethnicity and whiteness as a system of power are not cleanly separable. White culture is commonly seen as "neutral" American culture but there is nothing neutral about it. I partake in white culture, listen to white music, and speak with a white accent. None of these things are seen by most white people as "white" but they are.

quote:

also, while we're on the topic, i've always thought that the idea that white as an identity will grow to encompass hispanics and asians is bullshit. maybe white hispanics and mixed-race east asians, but the rest of us are too culturally not-wasp to do the assimilation thing any time in the next century.
Well "hispanics" can be anything from Nordic Argentinians to full-blooded natives to black people. If you are visibly white enough and practice whiteness to perfection, you can become a white person, but the cost is high. There's also the fact that the US' economic system currently depends on exploiting unfree immigrant labor, this is a lot harder to do without systematic racism against Latinos who fail the paper bag test.

As for East Asians, they have the double problem of not being able to visibly blend in with Europeans and having original cultures that are vastly more foreign to the WASP norm than anything in Europe. They are frequently not even seen as Americans (New Jersey, you say? But where are you really from :downs:), let alone as white.

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 9, 2015

Cool Bear
Sep 2, 2012

Jagchosis posted:

tbh i couldn't blame him. but a little bit yeah, economics seems pretty crucial to marxism


do you honestly believe american debt is as likely to default as zimbabwe's or the weimer republic's

Of course I don't! I know what I'm talking about, don't I sound like it?!?! I AM OFFENDED at the implication that I don't know!

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC!!!!!!!!



I am not RETARDED!!!!! YOU ARE!!!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013
to be fair i asked ahead of time if you'd meltdown and here we are

Cool Bear
Sep 2, 2012

Jagchosis posted:

tbh i couldn't blame him. but a little bit yeah, economics seems pretty crucial to marxism


do you honestly believe american debt is as likely to default as zimbabwe's or the weimer republic's

The great Imperial Lordship Woodrow Wilson said "They hired the money didn't they?" indicating that the United States DESERVES to receive all of the money resulting from their market-savvy loans to Britain and France during what they naively and pathetically called "The Great War" lol like that was the "Great War" those dumbass noobs. Guess what lol ww2 is like a thousand times worse haha.

That;s what I know about Weimar inflation, what do you know? tell us all professor genius, what happened in Zimbabwe? Serenade us

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Cool Bear posted:

The great Imperial Lordship Woodrow Wilson said "They hired the money didn't they?" indicating that the United States DESERVES to receive all of the money resulting from their market-savvy loans to Britain and France during what they naively and pathetically called "The Great War" lol like that was the "Great War" those dumbass noobs. Guess what lol ww2 is like a thousand times worse haha.

That;s what I know about Weimar inflation, what do you know? tell us all professor genius, what happened in Zimbabwe? Serenade us

the weimer republic was hosed by world war 1 reparations, that is true. zimbabwe hosed itself with spending on the Great African War. america has neither issue and is vastly richer than both. it's not even comparable. hell. japan's debt to gdp ratio is double ours and deficits aren't even a significant issue there

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
alcohol is evil

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A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

alcohol is evil proof that god loves us

ftfy

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