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This very thread had people saying Ufotable was being too blatant about "foreshadowing" it. Not showing derail XYZ is another annoying thing. It's tiring to read about how this missed/changed detail RUINS the story and completely makes the super meaningful story into a shallow mess. It's okay to discuss it but it feels like hyperbole is being over used.
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ChronoReverse posted:This very thread had people saying Ufotable was being too blatant about "foreshadowing" it. Not showing derail XYZ is another annoying thing. It's tiring to read about how this missed/changed detail RUINS the story and completely makes the super meaningful story into a shallow mess. Must've missed the former (or just forgot about it), but I definitely despise the latter.
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May 10, 2015 06:37
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Kotomine's bishop (ha) in the preview is pretty cool lookin. As for the adaptation I'm not going to judge until this final set episodes are done.
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May 10, 2015 06:48
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KaneTW posted:Every time I think "there can't be people who still haven't catched on to that" and someone proves me wrong. It's pretty amazing. Then again, I feel like most of the people that have major gripes with the adaptation (missing monologues or whatever) just have no idea how writing or adaptations work in general, so it's not odd to find that their complaints make no sense.
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May 10, 2015 06:56
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I'm really excited for next episode
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May 10, 2015 07:05
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Twiddy posted:I feel like the usual point people absolutely cinch it is right before the temple fight, so I really don't understand what could be too blatant here. You mean the church fight, right? The one that just happened last week? Because the only temple fight so far is when Caster lured Shirou over to Ryuudou Temple to steal his Command Seals, and that's pretty early to be drawing a conclusion. That fight in the church is where Rin basically confirms it too. People will always bitch about adaptations, this fanbase especially, but it seems like this series, people have just found the most inane stuff to complain about. Monologues and stiff like that are almost always better shown and not told when in an anime and not something like a VN... The people who complain the loudest just can't get over that, I think...
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May 10, 2015 07:10
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Beef Waifu posted:I'm really excited for next episode The next episode should cover all the way up to Answer right? It should be amazing if it does.
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May 10, 2015 07:12
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GhostStalker posted:You mean the church fight, right? The one that just happened last week? Because the only temple fight so far is when Caster lured Shirou over to Ryuudou Temple to steal his Command Seals, and that's pretty early to be drawing a conclusion. That fight in the church is where Rin basically confirms it too. ChronoReverse posted:The next episode should cover all the way up to Answer right? It should be amazing if it does.
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May 10, 2015 07:20
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ChronoReverse posted:The next episode should cover all the way up to Answer right? It should be amazing if it does. The preview teaser seemed pretty focused on End of a hero, though the name of the episode makes me think we'll get the beginning parts of Answer there as well at the end, the bulk of which will probably extend to the episode the week after. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 16:40 on May 10, 2015 |
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May 10, 2015 07:25
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Beef Waifu posted:I'm really excited for next episode If what I think is gonna happen next happens, I am also hype.
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May 10, 2015 07:28
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I think part of the problem that some people are attributing to the lack of internal monologues is really due to the adaptation only covering the middle route. Still, the pacing in the anime does seem to work less well that in the VN, though this might been due over-faithfulness; pacing in TV shows isn't the same as pacing in text.
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May 10, 2015 07:33
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Silver2195 posted:I think part of the problem that some people are attributing to the lack of internal monologues is really due to -the lack of internal monologues, exactly like Fate Zero.
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May 10, 2015 07:41
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Rodyle posted:-the lack of internal monologues, exactly like Fate Zero.
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May 10, 2015 08:03
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I wonder if we're going to get some extended Archer backstory, like we did for Caster and Berserker.
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May 10, 2015 10:35
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KaneTW posted:Every time I think "there can't be people who still haven't catched on to that" and someone proves me wrong. It's pretty amazing.  I didn't have the slightest clue until it was basically spelled out in the latest episode. And if I hadn't read this thread I wouldn't be sure it was actually the case too.
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May 10, 2015 10:38
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Poil posted:Some of us are really bad at that kind of things, you know.
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May 10, 2015 10:44
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If at this point you don't know Archer's identity then you are literally denser than Shirou.
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May 10, 2015 10:51
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ChronoReverse posted:This very thread had people saying Ufotable was being too blatant about "foreshadowing" it. Not showing derail XYZ is another annoying thing. It's tiring to read about how this missed/changed detail RUINS the story and completely makes the super meaningful story into a shallow mess.
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May 10, 2015 12:54
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Poil posted:Some of us are really bad at that kind of things, you know. That was me, too. I actually watched the UBW movie before I finished the route, and the first time I really picked up on it was the beginning of Archer's monologue as Shirou arrives at the castle.
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May 10, 2015 13:41
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Twiddy posted:It's almost like internal monologues are 20x easier to do and sell in a textual format than one based on video and audio. Might be worth thinking about, for some. It's not something I have a problem with personally but it is true that UFOtable's absolute refusal to do them cuts out a lot of information. Back when FZ was on a lot of new viewers had no ability to actually get what Kiritsugu and Kotomine were about because in the novels their characters were tied so heavily to the narration.
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May 10, 2015 15:42
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Rodyle posted:It's not something I have a problem with personally but it is true that UFOtable's absolute refusal to do them cuts out a lot of information. Back when FZ was on a lot of new viewers had no ability to actually get what Kiritsugu and Kotomine were about because in the novels their characters were tied so heavily to the narration.
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May 10, 2015 16:25
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Paracelsus posted:She's been fighting defensively and conserving her power up to this point because Shirou is a poor candidate for a Master; her stats were well-balanced but nothing special, and she had to hold back on her big guns. With Rin as a Master her stats are like Berserker's with Mad Enhancement active but without the loss of sanity, and she can actually use her power freely; she's basically The Best Servant* now. Technically she's a Knight, a King, has a super move, and technically descended from Dragons so those can be RPG weaknesses against anything that's "strong" against those attributes.  Everything has weaknesses in the Nasu-verse. That's why keeping a Servant's identity secret is important. For example Lancer is weak to Kalabolg if it's used when they're both in Ireland.
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May 10, 2015 16:53
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I'd completely forgotten that Rin used a Command Seal to have Archer not attack Shirou, that does explain a lot, thanks all  .His attempt when they were fighting Caster before that is not that convincing to me though, and neither was his "oh I missed" thing this episode.
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May 10, 2015 17:02
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Absum posted:His attempt when they were fighting Caster before that is not that convincing to me though, and neither was his "oh I missed" thing this episode.
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May 10, 2015 17:09
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Nate RFB posted:I think this was a gently caress up, Saber was supposed to tackle Shirou out of the way. Saber did tackle Shirou out of the way, that's why she was somewhat on top of him at the bottom of the steps after the swords rained down, instead of Shirou kneeling in front of her on the platform at the top of the steps. It was just animated with a cut, so it isn't shown how she actually did it. Archer's "Oh, I missed" was supposed to be sarcasm or something. At least, that's how I took it.
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May 10, 2015 17:31
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GhostStalker posted:Saber did tackle Shirou out of the way, that's why she was somewhat on top of him at the bottom of the steps after the swords rained down, instead of Shirou kneeling in front of her on the platform at the top of the steps. It was just animated with a cut, so it isn't shown how she actually did it. That's 100% the way i read the scene as well. I think it's a pretty effective technique, you see the result and then get to piece it together from that; same with the jump cut between Shirou starting to trace all those swords and suddenly ending up out of the reality marble with Rin being captured. a kitten fucked around with this message at 17:55 on May 10, 2015 |
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May 10, 2015 17:36
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a kitten posted:That's 100% the way i read the scene as well. I think it's a pretty effective technique, you see the result and then get to piece it together from that; same with the jump cut between Shirou doing starting to trace all those swords and suddenly ending up out of the reality marble with Rin being captured.
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May 10, 2015 17:53
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I don't get it cause I am not a VN nerd and honestly I watch this show because it's action porn not because it's cool plotz. Is Archer Shirou or is he Shirou's future son? I thought it was going in a terminator vibe where Archer is going into the past to erase his future so that he doesn't have to suffer through everything he did.
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May 10, 2015 18:13
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You will see next episode if you still don't get it.
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May 10, 2015 18:17
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Twiddy posted:It IS an effective technique, and that's what happened. The "problem" is that it can demand a lot of the viewer. It's this sort of condescending attitude that's annoying. Some astute viewers will get it immediately some may get it later. Others may get it much further down the road. Why insist on robbing that experience? It's not actually good story telling to make everything blatantly spelled out and wordy, especially in a visual medium.
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May 10, 2015 19:15
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Razzled posted:I don't get it cause I am not a VN nerd and honestly I watch this show because it's action porn not because it's cool plotz. I suggest you rewatch the scene where Rin is monologue-ing about Archer after her capture.
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May 10, 2015 19:37
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The Reality Marble is still the most glorious thing; and yeah I just noticed rewatching it, Saber doesn't have that silly hair bun anymore. 
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May 10, 2015 20:03
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Raenir Salazar posted:The Reality Marble is still the most glorious thing; and yeah I just noticed rewatching it, Saber doesn't have that silly hair bun anymore. A pony tail really does suit Saber. I think one thing that would've made the Rin and Saber contract scene cooler would be if they had kept the lightning surrounding Saber. I wonder why they decided not to add such a relatively simple effect.
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May 10, 2015 20:12
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Because all the money this episode went into making those gears as gigantic and imposing as possible.
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May 10, 2015 20:22
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Raenir Salazar posted:Technically she's a Knight, a King, has a super move, and technically descended from Dragons so those can be RPG weaknesses against anything that's "strong" against those attributes.
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May 10, 2015 22:29
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Poil posted:That's the dumbest weakness I've heard about all month. It sounds like something a dnd munchkin would try and use. Oh yeah, it's totally balanced with this huge weakness I get if I'm on this remote and insignificant island on the other side of the planet we have absolutely no reason to ever visit. I hope I read it wrong. What a dumb weakness for an Irish Hero to have.
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May 10, 2015 22:34
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Hunt11 posted:What a dumb weakness for an Irish Hero to have. More relevant weakness would be to invite him over to dinner. At that dinner, serve dog. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. The kalabolg thing is just another note on the pile of stuff that nasuverse Lancer's myths and legends has associated with him.
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May 10, 2015 22:38
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Hunt11 posted:What a dumb weakness for an Irish Hero to have.
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May 10, 2015 22:43
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Yeah, there's a lot of silly weaknesses like that because Nasu is a goon about that poo poo. It's pretty funny.
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Raenir Salazar posted:For example Lancer is weak to Kalabolg if it's used when they're both in Ireland. From what I remember they don't need to both be in Ireland, the wielder just needs to be "Ulster-born". Unless Mirror Moon hosed up the translation. Aumanor fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 10, 2015 |
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