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So Grimy is back in business. SkyTweak has been updated with FISS(saving MCM settings between playthroughs), and he has fixed the settings not always saving correctly bug that's been around for awhile. Grimy Utilities has also been updated with FISS. He's also uploaded a beta for a new GELO version.
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Nerd Of Prey posted:Controversial opinion alert! The problem is that it is superior. Mod Organizer makes finding and untangling mod conflicts so easy it just becomes absolutely trivial, and you don't have to spend hours mucking around in Data trying to reverse-engineer the install order of mods from years and years ago to figure out why Mesh X is missing Texture Y - just reinstall the mod into its MO folder and shuffle the mod order until it's working. You can still muck around in the file structure all you like, you just need to remember one more directory or shortcut than before. The fact you can also independently re-order file overrides seperate from ESP overrides cannot be overstated, and much easier to work with than trying to figure out what order to install mods in and then being locked into that install order with the loose files. You can still mix and match with MO, and if anything, the process becomes effortless. MO identifies potential conflicts between every file in a mod - from scripts to EPSs, textures and meshes. It all becomes transparent and takes out all the guesswork. You can extract from .bsas as well with MO - just make a new MO mod folder and dump the contents into it. It's also stupendous for modding as well. When I was making FCO, I had to test that mod against UFO and another companion mod, in addition to EFF. MO made switching from my 200+ main build to vanilla + UFO a 10 second operation, and made the process of compatibility checking ridiculously easy. Because my base install of Skyrim only has a bare minimum of mods installed - SKSE, the Sheson fix, Safety Load, etc. - it gave me confidence that the flotsam scripts of other mods weren't interfering during the testing. There is no need to "bully" people into using MO but the hype is entirely justified. If you think of workshop modding as throwing rocks, NMM is like a crossbow, while MO is a dwemer aether rifle that reconfigures reality with each and every shot. Once you get used to having the Mod directory outside of data it's really hard to go back. That said you don't "lose" that skill either - I had a Fallout 3 kick where I had to go back to the old ways and was still able to do it, but rooting around in Data again made me that much more thankful for MO. ANIME IS BLOOD fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 02:34
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Nerd Of Prey posted:Controversial opinion alert! tl;dr people who lack the expertise or don't want to spend the time to manually set up and tweak a hundred mods are loving weak.
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May 11, 2015 02:44
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Eric the Mauve posted:tl;dr people who lack the expertise or don't want to spend the time to manually set up and tweak a hundred mods are loving weak. that's the kicker - you still have to do that with Mod Organizer, the process just becomes effortless, because instead of reverse-engineering what mod installed what files by looking at the original download and figuring out which one is messing up the mesh, jumping back and forth between the texture and mesh directory chains, removing all the files, and then reinstalling them in the right order, you just pull up the Conflict pane in MO and it tells you, and you shuffle the loose files folder order in the left part of the window until it works. People really don't understand how much better this is until they've gotten used to it, and once they've gotten used to it they understandably can't ever shut up about it again because it's so much goddam time saved loving around. The main thing that is up for debate is whether or not people who haven't modded before should use MO - because getting that understanding of how Data works is important and the whole thing becomes abstract when you're using MO. ANIME IS BLOOD fucked around with this message at 03:01 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 02:48
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I don't care HOW it works, I just want it to work. The more automated the process the better.
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May 11, 2015 03:42
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If someone comes asking what mod manager to use, odds are they aren't experienced enough to know how to use NMM the "manual" way, so "bullying them" into using MO is pretty much the only option. And if you are experienced enough, you wouldn't be asking us in the first place.
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May 11, 2015 04:04
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RangerPL posted:If someone comes asking what mod manager to use, odds are they aren't experienced enough to know how to use NMM the "manual" way, so "bullying them" into using MO is pretty much the only option. But that's the chicken and egg question, though - if you're not experienced enough to use NMM should someone be using MO? It's like giving someone with a driver's license a jet fighter - definitely faster and able to do insanely cool poo poo but if you don't know what you're doing you'll be a flaming hole in the ground before you know it. Basically MO is a gray area where inexperienced users are concerned, it's only really black and white once they've become more experienced as well as dog-tired of dealing with Bethesda's poo poo. Everything Burrito posted:I don't care HOW it works, I just want it to work. The more automated the process the better. Which is what MO does - automates loose file conflict resolution. Nobody has a magic "Fix me!" button yet but this as close and good as it gets in terms of convenience.
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May 11, 2015 04:32
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MO isn't that much more difficult to understand than NMM and the payoff for a newbie is colossal because of how easy MO makes it to manage mod order and how the virtual data directory means you don't run the risk of trashing your skyrim install if you mess up. That in itself is worth whatever additional complexity there is. Its other features are nice, but not 100% necessary for every newbie to know and understand. RangerPL fucked around with this message at 06:18 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 05:53
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What's a quick and easy way to slow leveling down using SPERG and the Uncapper I was looking through the ini and I realized I really don't understand the math behind leveling in Skyrim. I think I want to level up about 75% as fast, but don't want to mess around with the ratios of how quickly various skills level me up (ideally doing it in a way that the skills just level up slower, not that I need more skills to increase before I level up). Is there one value I can change to accomplish that in the uncapper? Is it the "PCLevelSkillExpMults" section and I change all of those to .75 instead of 1.0? or does that just increase the number of skill points I need for a level up
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May 11, 2015 06:23
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It is under [SkillExpGainMults]. I set a lot of my stuff to nearly half cause it felt like I was leveling way too quickly. I could go from Helgen to Whiterun to Bleakfall Barrows and be nearly level 7 before getting halfway through the Barrows.
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May 11, 2015 06:31
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For future reference PCLevelSkillExpMults controls how much each skill level up contributes to the player leveling up, and here is a page containing the math on the skyrim leveling system. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Leveling
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May 11, 2015 06:34
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I just download mods off of nexus with NMM, sort it with LOOT, and then BASH it and everything works fine so I haven't really found a reason to learn how to use MO.
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May 11, 2015 07:21
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Everything Burrito posted:I don't care HOW it works, I just want it to work. The more automated the process the better. This is where it's at. I do not have the patience to learn software manipulation, and even if i did, I do not want to spend more time modding a game than playing it.
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May 11, 2015 07:41
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When I get mercurial about my mods, MO makes sure I only need to start a new game instead of spending another 10 hours untangling and rerouting a four hundred million megabyte mess of overrides and conflicts into something that doesn't stomp on its own toes again.
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May 11, 2015 08:51
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I hope this is the right place to ask. I started playing Skyrim again, and after passing by a few mines, and caves I started thinking how nice would be if I could leave some comments/notes for the places I'd like to visit later on the map. Is there a mod like this for the game, or something similar?
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May 11, 2015 09:50
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Leal posted:It is under [SkillExpGainMults]. I set a lot of my stuff to nearly half cause it felt like I was leveling way too quickly. I could go from Helgen to Whiterun to Bleakfall Barrows and be nearly level 7 before getting halfway through the Barrows. delta534 posted:For future reference PCLevelSkillExpMults controls how much each skill level up contributes to the player leveling up, and here is a page containing the math on the skyrim leveling system. Thank you both. I read theuesp thing on leveling, I feel I have a better grasp on it and tweaking the SkillExpGainMults seems to have accomplished what I wanted. I might start fooling around with the PCLevelSkillExpMults and change crafting skills so they level up faster, but don't contribute to leveling as much, because I want to mess around with crafting, and it'd probably be better if they advanced at a closer to vanilla rate, but I don't want to shoot up in levels doing it, but I'm going to leave that for another day.
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May 11, 2015 10:03
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nekoxid posted:I hope this is the right place to ask.
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May 11, 2015 10:06
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Raygereio posted:Haven't tested it, but it sounds like what you want: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/38731/ This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
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May 11, 2015 10:21
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If for some reason you really need to see the Data folder "as it is", just launch explorer.exe from Mod Organizer. Navigate to C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim\data, and it will look just like someone spergily hand-placed everything for you. If you're into modifying NIF files yourself or whatever, then you have the same fundamental problem whether or not you use MO: you need 2 copies of said NIF: the original, unmodified one; and your new, modified one. MO makes this easy, too: just copy the mod, and modify the copy to your heart's content. tl;dr ITT we believe MO is superior to NMM because for 99.99% of people, it is. Kind of like, "Vitamin C is generally good for your health." No one is bullying, we're simply stating an established fact at this point.
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May 11, 2015 13:41
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Mod Organizer is just a superior way of managing mods since you never touch the actual Data directory. Other mod managers don't do that, so it is very easy to identify and change conflicts.
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May 11, 2015 14:50
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I feel like, despite MO's complexity, a beginner user could probably just ignore most of its functionality and install mods and run LOOT through its interface and be fine. And then learn the other features as needed. Not sure though. I do know that I never want to go back to figuring out install-order-level conflicts any other way.
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So a page or so ago, some folks were talking about how Helgen Reborn gets really bad at some point. And a while before others were saying Falskaar is technically impressive on some level, but unfun. It makes me wish that there were more places to get honest reviews from. Everybody raves about these mods, I only ever hear about the downside in this thread. I actually think I may have asked this in the past, but are there any other mods that "everybody" goes apeshit for but aren't actually that great?
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GunnerJ posted:So a page or so ago, some folks were talking about how Helgen Reborn gets really bad at some point. And a while before others were saying Falskaar is technically impressive on some level, but unfun. It makes me wish that there were more places to get honest reviews from. Everybody raves about these mods, I only ever hear about the downside in this thread. I actually think I may have asked this in the past, but are there any other mods that "everybody" goes apeshit for but aren't actually that great? The like 4k textures on everything, almost the instant a new huge res texture goes live on the nexus i see it upvoted into the sky, but it's a fact that the more textures Skyrim has to deal with the faster it shits itself. I only run with high res weapons and armor and stay away from the rest, and even there i only go to like 2k. Dongattack fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 11, 2015 |
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May 11, 2015 15:20
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GunnerJ posted:I feel like, despite MO's complexity, a beginner user could probably just ignore most of its functionality and install mods and run LOOT through its interface and be fine. And then learn the other features as needed. Not sure though. pretty much. Set MO to handle Nexus links, download from nexus with the "download with manager" button, sort with loot, go. I think the one thing that might trip you up is having to configure your INIs through MO instead of going to documents\whatever\skyrimprefs.ini The advanced features are there for the taking but you certainly don't have to use them.
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Dongattack posted:The like 4k textures on everything, almost the instant a new huge res texture goes live on the nexus i see it upvoted into the sky, but it's a fact that the more textures Skyrim has to deal with the faster it shits itself. I only run with high res weapons and armor and stay away from the rest, and even there i only go to like 2k. Some of those textures are pretty awful anyway.
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Dongattack posted:The like 4k textures on everything, almost the instant a new huge res texture goes live on the nexus i see it upvoted into the sky, but it's a fact that the more textures Skyrim has to deal with the faster it shits itself. I only run with high res weapons and armor and stay away from the rest, and even there i only go to like 2k. I have a slightly more nuanced approach: I concentrate on textures I'm going to see all the loving time, especially up close - like doors (you see these up close all the time) skies, a few other similar type textures, and skin/face textures. I downloaded the highres DLC, and extracted just the files I want. I overlaid most of Ramccoid's retextures over that, and pretty much everything else is SMIM + WATER. I improved a few other rarer textures - highres dragon runes and such, but for the most part I don't bother with highres armor.
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May 11, 2015 15:40
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Falksaar and Wyrmstooth both use gigantic 4k textures too, for what that is worth. I generally run with only 2k textures and DDSOpt and other giant texture mods that I'm running down to 2k (Book of Silence, for example.) The performance boost is pretty significant.
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May 11, 2015 16:27
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Agents are GO! posted:I have a slightly more nuanced approach: I concentrate on textures I'm going to see all the loving time, especially up close - like doors (you see these up close all the time) skies, a few other similar type textures, and skin/face textures. I downloaded the highres DLC, and extracted just the files I want. I overlaid most of Ramccoid's retextures over that, and pretty much everything else is SMIM + WATER. I improved a few other rarer textures - highres dragon runes and such, but for the most part I don't bother with highres armor. I guess i have a little bit more than just armors also, i have the highres DLC and the mods to fix the highres DLC (lol) and some kinda water mod. If i actually saw Skyrim with good 4k textures all over i'd probably want it tho, so i'm staying ignorant. Slightly related, how are long distance LOD mods and the like now? I'm using the cool new flying mod, and it exaggerates how much distant Skyrim looks like pancake batter  That's just the nature of the engine tho, but figured i'd ask just in case.
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Gyshall posted:Falksaar and Wyrmstooth both use gigantic 4k textures too, for what that is worth. I generally run with only 2k textures and DDSOpt and other giant texture mods that I'm running down to 2k (Book of Silence, for example.) far too many modders say UH MY TEXTURES ARE UNCOMPRESSED FOR A REASON DON'T DDSOpt them!!! and I'm thinking - unless you run this at like 3840x2160 you will never, ever know.
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Dongattack posted:I guess i have a little bit more than just armors also, i have the highres DLC and the mods to fix the highres DLC (lol) and some kinda water mod. If i actually saw Skyrim with good 4k textures all over i'd probably want it tho, so i'm staying ignorant. DynDOLOD is amazing, just keep in mind it takes a while to generate on a large load order, but it is worth it. Just don't bother with it until you're happy with your mod setup.
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May 11, 2015 17:47
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Used to use NMM, switched to MO, MO seems like it does more stuff and is a lot more... precise... than NMM. Shows more information I can use and lets me configure more things more easily. NMM works but I'd probably recommend MO to a new user because the main issue I had with it was unfamiliarity coming from NMM. It also has a bunch of handy step by step tutorials for it which were very nice, and its own internal debugging and tooltips cleared up a few issues I had getting set up as well. I mean use what you find works best for you, but I think MO is the better tool in terms of what it can do and how it displays its information, but if you're better with NMM then go for that. Gyshall posted:Mod Organizer is just a superior way of managing mods since you never touch the actual Data directory. Other mod managers don't do that, so it is very easy to identify and change conflicts. This is also nice, it keeps everything out of the actual skyrim folder so if you break poo poo it doesn't matter.
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I just played Moonpath to Elsweyr and I didn't think it was very good. It's a bunch of lorewank punctuated by endless battles with sword sponge enemies. I'm a big fan of lorewank, don't get me wrong, but I need more than a spider I gotta beat on for a half hour to keep my interest. The voice acting was also horrendous but I'm can hardly blame it for that. Moon and Star was on the average good. The voice acting was solid even if it was only two and a half voices. The last boss is badly designed if you go for the good ending. It felt short but that's better than the alternative. I also played Wyrmstooth. The voice acting was all over the place, some really good some terrible. The characters are the most clichéd cliches that I've ever seen. The main dungeon is ridiculously long. It feels four times longer than the dungeons in Dawnguard. Also I'm pretty sure it's been bloating up my scripts and making anything scripted in the base game weird and wonky. That could be another mod doing it but I'm pretty sure it's Wyrmstooth. The actual design of it ends up being pretty good, though. Outside of the ridiculous long dungeon anyway.
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Everything by TrainWiz is fantastic, with the caveat that you have to accept that they can be rough around the edges.
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May 11, 2015 18:33
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I got a really dumb question  How do I find out which mod created an item, and what it's for? I found a 'Cracked Skull' in a cave that was lootable, and found a 'Long Lost Key' inside. It's most certainly put there by Legacy of the Dragonborn, but I don't have any more clues.
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May 11, 2015 18:56
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Type 'help "Cracked Skull"' into the console and look at the hexadecimal form IDs for them. The first two digits correspond to an ESP's Mod Index in your load order.
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axolotl farmer posted:I got a really dumb question I'm not sure if it I like it or hate it when mods create these little mysteries
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:I'm not sure if it I like it or hate it when mods create these little mysteries I found a "Mysterious Key" courtesy of Morrowloot while moving into the Head Wizardy Man's quarters after finishing the College of Winterhold questline and had to look online to see what it's for. Apparently it unlocks a chest in a room in some dwarven ruin, but nobody knows how to actually get into the room.
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May 11, 2015 21:11
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Gyshall posted:Falksaar and Wyrmstooth both use gigantic 4k textures too, for what that is worth. I generally run with only 2k textures and DDSOpt and other giant texture mods that I'm running down to 2k (Book of Silence, for example.) poo poo, how do I make them use smaller textures then? I never even entered those areas yet so I didn't know they would be lag city. Some of us don't want to do UltraHD because we have an older system. :/
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YellerBill posted:I found a "Mysterious Key" courtesy of Morrowloot while moving into the Head Wizardy Man's quarters after finishing the College of Winterhold questline and had to look online to see what it's for. Apparently it unlocks a chest in a room in some dwarven ruin, but nobody knows how to actually get into the room.  but for Morrowloot.Seriously, why does Morrowloot have a thousand random added tiny bits in Dwarven ruins that all play off keys in the middle of nowhere and so on and so forth?
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Man Whore posted:I just download mods off of nexus with NMM, sort it with LOOT, and then BASH it and everything works fine so I haven't really found a reason to learn how to use MO. This here is a perfect "short version" of my rambling earlier. MO sounds like a great choice if solving mod conflicts gives you a huge headache, but if you're comfortable enough with modding to know stuff like "this has race edits so I should be careful where I load it" or "this messes with leveled lists so I should rebuild my bashed patch" then you'll be fine without it. I guess it comes down to what you do and don't find inconvenient. When I see multi-paragraph instructions for installing a mod, I'm thinking "or you could drag and drop it..." The Data folder exists to be hosed with, so it seems silly to me to avoid touching it. Anything you do to it can be undone just as easily. For people who know absolutely nothing, MO can add layers of complexity that are really daunting... and for people who know enough to get by, it can actually be kind of a fifth wheel. And then for a lot of people it's right in the sweet spot, and magically solves all of their problems! In the end, it is one of several perfectly reasonable options!
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