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Not to mention that the dice pool system itself, and the biggest charms being at the base of the tree, make extra dots give diminishing returns even if they all cost the same.
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What's great is that it's easily fixed too. Give out BP, not XP. Cost all things in BP. (If necessary, adjust BP table slightly to reflect this, and, obviously, give out fewer BP.) Training times require some kind of basic sanity test. This can vary based on the GM but I can see why you'd want people - even Solars - to not go from "zero dots" to "total superhuman mastery" just because they had some XP and were bored and wanted Occult 5. I guess this becomes an accursed 'mother may I' thing so you can probably skip it in the interest of philosophical purity. Where is my kickstarter payout??
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I don't think the zany demigod fantasy/myth game with past lives really needs an explanation of why you suddenly acquired multiple dots of something. Maybe some groups would prefer it that way but it's pointless to codify. Integrity sticks out as something that becomes kind of hilarious when you apply training times to.
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cenotaph posted:I don't think the zany demigod fantasy/myth game with past lives really needs an explanation of why you suddenly acquired multiple dots of something. Maybe some groups would prefer it that way but it's pointless to codify. Integrity sticks out as something that becomes kind of hilarious when you apply training times to. As for the other, fair enough, but in theory you can play PCs other than Solars you know 
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When my character spent a week getting Integrity from 2 to 4 it was mostly through a lot of relentless soul-searching and asking himself in the mirror what REALLY mattered here, etc.
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LatwPIAT posted:Based on hearsay and some stuff Holden might have said sometime I don't know, the reason for this is thus: Hmmmm yes fast character creation. Well thank god that's not a consideration at all because there are 3 million charms to choose from.
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Nihnoz posted:Hmmmm yes fast character creation. Well thank god that's not a consideration at all because there are 3 million charms to choose from. It's quick! Also please distribute 28 dots between 25 different skills. Quickly now.
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What I remember of training tiems is that Dragon-Blooded and Eclipse characters laughed at them.
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Nihnoz posted:Hmmmm yes fast character creation. Well thank god that's not a consideration at all because there are 3 million charms to choose from. Well if you bake them into an excel spreadsheet and then just filter it by low-to-high essence it gets a lot easier! Oh and then again by ability so you can choose your supernals. MonsieurChoc posted:What I remember of training tiems is that Dragon-Blooded and Eclipse characters laughed at them. I thought everyone laughed at them. Isn't measuring them by month just 100% pointless? It's not like you as a player are going to say "Hey, I think I'll sit out the next few session so my characters can spend three months getting better at Perception" so they're gonna get bunched up with the other players, and then just take as long as the ST wants their campaign to be paused for. Training time to me has always seemed like the biggest possible candidate for rule abstraction(literally "training takes place between arcs of the story"), since it's already mostly there. theironjef fucked around with this message at 17:03 on May 10, 2015 |
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I actually quite like training times, it gives the game a bit of a rhythm and it gives me as ST a reason to have long breaks. Right now my players are about to hit essence 2, so I'm giving them a yearlong timeskip to do long-term projects and train up their attributes; pretty much all of next session is gonna be devoted to whatever they as players undertake.
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Nihnoz posted:I actually quite like training times, it gives the game a bit of a rhythm and it gives me as ST a reason to have long breaks. Right now my players are about to hit essence 2, so I'm giving them a yearlong timeskip to do long-term projects and train up their attributes; pretty much all of next session is gonna be devoted to whatever they as players undertake. Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm describing. Training takes place between arcs, and you are going with an ST set amount of time appropriate to your story instead of a calculated amount derived from the game rules. Those rules are easy targets for removal or just super simplification.
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theironjef posted:Well if you bake them into an excel spreadsheet and then just filter it by low-to-high essence it gets a lot easier! Oh and then again by ability so you can choose your supernals. No, I meant Dragon-Blooded had a charm that just eliminated that whole hassle. And Eclipse Caste could steal it.
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MonsieurChoc posted:No, I meant Dragon-Blooded had a charm that just eliminated that whole hassle. And Eclipse Caste could steal it. Yes, I know. It's annoying that the game has rules in it just to sidestep rules it could just do away with in the first place without really losing anything.
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MonsieurChoc posted:No, I meant Dragon-Blooded had a charm that just eliminated that whole hassle. And Eclipse Caste could steal it. a lot of people had stuff like that. Twilights and Dawns together could shorten any training time to a week, Infernals could wish they and their Circlemates into new stuff that they wanted.
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theironjef posted:Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm describing. Training takes place between arcs, and you are going with an ST set amount of time appropriate to your story instead of a calculated amount derived from the game rules. Those rules are easy targets for removal or just super simplification.
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theironjef posted:Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm describing. Training takes place between arcs, and you are going with an ST set amount of time appropriate to your story instead of a calculated amount derived from the game rules. Those rules are easy targets for removal or just super simplification. Well the time they spend training is time they aren't developing backgrounds or advancing character goals, etc, so I think the training times are still relevant and somewhat interesting. they'll cease to be that when the timeskips start getting longer, but so it is.
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Nessus posted:How so? It seems to be like, applied intellectual rigor and self-knowledge (if you wanted to quantify it as anything other than "I roll a larger number of dice to not be persuaded"). Training times take away the ability to have stuff like a dude picking up a sword for the first time in his life and realizing he's a murder savant. Integrity specifically is silly for what Ferrinus said but also because you can't have an "I can't take it anymore" moment where a pushover grows a backbone. If you're making an epic hero simulator you ought to make allowances for that sort of thing.
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cenotaph posted:Training times take away the ability to have stuff like a dude picking up a sword for the first time in his life and realizing he's a murder savant. Integrity specifically is silly for what Ferrinus said but also because you can't have an "I can't take it anymore" moment where a pushover grows a backbone. If you're making an epic hero simulator you ought to make allowances for that sort of thing.
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Yeah it would be best used infrequently. It also requires someone sitting on a bucket of xp which I guess doesn't happen unless you're saving up for another big purchase and change your mind.
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cenotaph posted:Yeah it would be best used infrequently. It also requires someone sitting on a bucket of xp which I guess doesn't happen unless you're saving up for another big purchase and change your mind.
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cenotaph posted:Training times take away the ability to have stuff like a dude picking up a sword for the first time in his life and realizing he's a murder savant. Integrity specifically is silly for what Ferrinus said but also because you can't have an "I can't take it anymore" moment where a pushover grows a backbone. If you're making an epic hero simulator you ought to make allowances for that sort of thing. If you pick up a sword and turn out to be a savant, it's because you had Melee 5 all along. Here's how you make allowances for what you mention, though: * With a major stunt, you can halve the training time of something you've been working on, potentially acquiring it immediately if that puts you over the line * With a defining stunt, you can zero the training time of something you've been working on or even have had significant exposure to, maybe even for the first time in this very scene
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You could bank training time, and then decide what you were training after-the-fact.
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I don't really buy any of that. If training times exist then how did you have melee 5 in the first place? The rest is just legislating stuff that is should be up to the individual group anyway. I posted quite a while ago about how the whole xp system doesn't make sense regarding how you can earn xp for doing *whatever* and then spend it on something completely different, like buying melee charms after completing a business deal. Bolting on training times as a nod towards simulation just makes the whole thing more absurd. It's one area of the game that should be permissive by default. It should be a sidebar of optional suggestions at most.
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cenotaph posted:I don't really buy any of that. If training times exist then how did you have melee 5 in the first place? The rest is just legislating stuff that is should be up to the individual group anyway. You bought it in character creation. Duh. But you seem to be on the verge of a rant about dissociated mechanics, so why don't you let it all out?
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Effectronica posted:You bought it in character creation. Duh. But you seem to be on the verge of a rant about dissociated mechanics, so why don't you let it all out? Nah, that's all I really have to say. XP is there to make numbers go up because that makes people happy so I don't think having systems to highly regulate it is necessary.
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cenotaph posted:I don't really buy any of that. If training imtimes exist then how did you have melee 5 in the first place? The rest is just legislating stuff that is should be up to the individual group anyway. XP is out of character, but training times aren't.
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theironjef posted:Yes, I know. It's annoying that the game has rules in it just to sidestep rules it could just do away with in the first place without really losing anything. Hello separate Craft skills.
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Roadie posted:Hello separate Craft skills.
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the best craft implementation was craft as a single skill, and then using specialties to handle people who only knew one kind of craft like your local blacksmith. If you want to differentiate crafters, make the *charms* for different kinds of craft be different trees.
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xiw posted:the best craft implementation was craft as a single skill, and then using specialties to handle people who only knew one kind of craft like your local blacksmith.
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Monday Meeting Notes posted:EDIT FROM EDDY: I didn’t receive any word on Exalted 3rd. As such, I assume it’s in the same state as last week.
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A Venn diagram of the official forums and hell etc. But really, it's worse.
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ErichZahn posted:A Venn diagram of the official forums and hell etc. So, just a circle?
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ErichZahn posted:A Venn diagram of the official forums and hell etc. oh, it's not that bad.
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Did they stop writing gross sex fanon poo poo? I haven't read it in a while but I think that was the last straw.
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Ronwayne posted:Did they stop writing gross sex fanon poo poo? I haven't read it in a while but I think that was the last straw. idk, I don't really read it either, I'm just going off the assumption that nobody on their mod team got convicted of sex crimes. please feel free to correct this if I am wrong.
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No, no, I'm talking bout nerd entitlement, the comments section, and recent modposts from which I've inferred the Exalted forum might be going away for a while.
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I want to be hauntingly seduced by abyssal specters!
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What's kind of great is that even ignoring completely all the gross sex crap, I can think of a bunch of great reasons to set that forum on fire.
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 Do tell. (I can only remember a vague annoyance, personally)
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