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Alright, I just finished my re-listen of the series. 4+5 are a lot more bearable once you know what to expect, and I quite enjoyed Dotrice's work throughout. Tywin Churchill, Victarion Dundee, and the Glaswegian Martells were great fun. As for the books themselves, there was always a lot going on beneath the surface, the big difference is that the first three had a lot going on in plain sight too! In conclusion, I'm very happy that I didn't find this series until 2009. Now back to the Kanji.
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Blind Sally posted:A visual metaphor of the series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkpWwnNiGgE So much work and so worth it 
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May 12, 2015 06:19
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Did Tyrion's boat trip actually take him to Valyria I can't remember poo poo.
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May 12, 2015 09:51
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Junkenstein posted:Did Tyrion's boat trip actually take him to Valyria I can't remember poo poo. They crossed the Rhoyne. No one in the books has been to Valyria.
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May 12, 2015 09:52
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Junkenstein posted:Did Tyrion's boat trip actually take him to Valyria I can't remember poo poo.
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May 12, 2015 10:05
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Cool, that's what I thought. Showlyria was pretty disappointing.
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May 12, 2015 10:09
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Junkenstein posted:Cool, that's what I thought. Showlyria was pretty disappointing. I think the ghostly images of Valyria in ruins were pretty nice.
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May 12, 2015 11:43
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OhYeah posted:I think the ghostly images of Valyria in ruins were pretty nice. Me too. I was pretty faded by that point but it seemed cool. The oar fight was dumb though.
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May 12, 2015 15:20
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There was no way the show could have done Valyria the way it was in the books because Gurm's sense of scale is always preposterous. And show watchers might possibly have some memory of "Old Valyria", so using that name makes more sense than introducing yet another ruined fortress in the middle of nowhere. The world Gurm built is still interesting and I like the complexity and depth of its history, but the show writers are a hell of a lot better at plotting. Was Gurm ever good at that? Does anyone remember actually watching Beauty and the Beast?
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May 12, 2015 15:42
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It felt like something out of Conan the barbarian. that one where he goes down this creepy river with some pirate crew and they get attacked in some abandoned temples.
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May 12, 2015 15:48
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CaptainRightful posted:The world Gurm built is still interesting and I like the complexity and depth of its history, but the show writers are a hell of a lot better at plotting. Was Gurm ever good at that? Does anyone remember actually watching Beauty and the Beast? Have show-watchers experienced any tension this season? It doesn't seem like anything that would get by blood pumping as of yet - 5 episodes is a long time for so little payoff. I guess I suspect GRRM is going somewhere with his plots, but I have no idea if the show is and am (even) less inclined to trust them.
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May 12, 2015 16:57
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Why the hell is Gray Worm still alive and Barriatan dead? Do show watchers actually give a poo poo about the stupid slashfic subplot? What the hell, HBO?
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May 12, 2015 17:24
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From having briefly peeked into the tviv thread, show watchers apparently believe that having an innocent man burned/eaten alive was a smart and good political move. So I wouldn't be surprised if they're really invested in the dull romance Z plot line too.
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May 12, 2015 17:34
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Blind Sally posted:It felt like something out of Conan the barbarian. that one where he goes down this creepy river with some pirate crew and they get attacked in some abandoned temples. Where do you think GRRM got the idea, or did you think Oberyn straight-up ripping off The Princess Bride was some sort-of coincidence?
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May 12, 2015 17:37
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I work with a lady who hasn't read the books but watches the show and she not only likes Daario and hopes he marries Dany by heroically saving her from Hzidar but also didn't care Barristan died because he "seemed like he was all talk"  She is a huge Kelly C fan though and no matter what she does she is awesome! She also doesn't like Iain Glenn's voice either.
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May 12, 2015 17:41
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mind the walrus posted:Where do you think GRRM got the idea, or did you think Oberyn straight-up ripping off The Princess Bride was some sort-of coincidence? it felt pretty watered down and not really like Conan at all in the book. too many descriptions of cyvasse to detract from it. it at least felt like Conan on the show.
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May 12, 2015 17:55
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I'm so used to this show being connected scenes of two people talking in a dimly lit room that when, instead, it was two people talking outside, in a rowboat, during daylight hours, it felt sorta mindblowing.
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May 12, 2015 19:29
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Hunky Joe posted:She also doesn't like Iain Glenn's voice either. not possible
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May 12, 2015 20:35
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Hunky Joe posted:I work with a lady who hasn't read the books but watches the show and she not only likes Daario and hopes he marries Dany by heroically saving her from Hzidar but also didn't care Barristan died because he "seemed like he was all talk" Sounds like the platonic ideal of a Show Watcher.
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May 12, 2015 21:06
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Mike N Eich posted:not possible She watches Downton Abbey and said it was probably because his character on there was "mean to Lady Mary" so she doesn't like him on GoT. 
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May 12, 2015 21:22
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OhYeah posted:I have a question. Is Dany supposed to be a loving maniac? In the books I would call her one of the good guys who just happens to be a bit incompetent, possibly due to her age, but the show is making her out to be a straight up schizophrenic. I mean one moment you burn a guy alive in front of your enemies, next moment you go and offer to marry one of them? It could work if there was something in the story to drive Dany towards that drastic change of mind, but nothing happened in that episode that would cause her to do that. I was ok with it. I saw it as her being furious, and taking a middle road between Daarios "drop the bomb" approach and Barristons... whatever his approach was. Basically she gave them a bit of of the fist beneath the velvet glove... which wasn't necessarily a bad move. In this case it won't work because the Masters have fallen too far to just give up, or even aquiesce at this point. She should keep them as hostages indefinitely. Anyway, she loses her temper, goes "hard" on them, and then steps back, and realizes that won't do poo poo, and then goes for the marriage. Which isn't a bad proposal if you are actually going to try and integrate the Masters and Slaves. So it didn't seem schitzo to me, it just seemed like we did denial ( law always works ) anger ( gently caress em, burn em all ) , and then acceptance (I'll marry one of them and tie the Masters back into the power structure ). Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Have show-watchers experienced any tension this season? It doesn't seem like anything that would get by blood pumping as of yet - 5 episodes is a long time for so little payoff. I guess I suspect GRRM is going somewhere with his plots, but I have no idea if the show is and am (even) less inclined to trust them. Hunky Joe posted:She watches Downton Abbey and said it was probably because his character on there was "mean to Lady Mary" so she doesn't like him on GoT. Hunky Joe posted:I work with a lady who hasn't read the books but watches the show and she not only likes Daario and hopes he marries Dany by heroically saving her from Hzidar but also didn't care Barristan died because he "seemed like he was all talk" If you look at GoT as a soap opera, lots of slow moving plot, pontificating, and posturing is par for the course. In fact, much like a soap, there is no "ending" ... just season finales, people who die and come back to life, and a million loving characters you can't keep track of. ( Oh Maester Aegon is ACTUALLY Daenery's uncle, but he is blind and gave up the kingdom, and lives in secret in the North! ) You could run the GoT soap opera for ever...
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May 12, 2015 21:45
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Hunky Joe posted:I work with a lady who hasn't read the books but watches the show and she not only likes Daario and hopes he marries Dany by heroically saving her from Hzidar but also didn't care Barristan died because he "seemed like he was all talk" She's like a poo poo opinion collector.
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May 12, 2015 22:03
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I can keep track of them!!! that's great-great-great uncle okay
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May 12, 2015 22:04
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kcroy posted:Oh Maester Aegon is ACTUALLY Daenery's uncle, but he is blind and gave up the kingdom, and lives in secret in the North! After the last episode I'm just waiting for people to start calling him Maester Raymond.
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May 12, 2015 22:10
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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kcroy posted:.... I am sure by season 8 I will be rooting for Ramsey.
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May 12, 2015 22:36
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Have show-watchers experienced any tension this season? It doesn't seem like anything that would get by blood pumping as of yet - 5 episodes is a long time for so little payoff. I guess I suspect GRRM is going somewhere with his plots, but I have no idea if the show is and am (even) less inclined to trust them. This year I got a friend hooked on GoT, who is a massive TV/movie geek (but very selective about what he watches). He doesn't seem to be too impressed with season 5, though. Today he wrote to me in Skype: "had to pause the episode every two minutes and go to something else for a while, because I was bored out of my mind". visceril posted:Why the hell is Gray Worm still alive and Barriatan dead? Do show watchers actually give a poo poo about the stupid slashfic subplot? What the hell, HBO? This is a decision that I cannot understand on any level. Barristan has been there since season 1, he is an interesting and an important character in the story played by a good actor and crucially, not at all dead in the books. So what the gently caress, HBO? savinhill posted:I'm so used to this show being connected scenes of two people talking in a dimly lit room that when, instead, it was two people talking outside, in a rowboat, during daylight hours, it felt sorta mindblowing. And in some shots you couldn't almost tell that it was filmed against a blue screen!
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May 13, 2015 00:11
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OhYeah posted:This is a decision that I cannot understand on any level. Barristan has been there since season 1, he is an interesting and an important character in the story played by a good actor and crucially, not at all dead in the books. So what the gently caress, HBO? Was he there during Season 2?
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May 13, 2015 00:25
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OhYeah posted:This is a decision that I cannot understand on any level. Barristan has been there since season 1, he is an interesting and an important character in the story played by a good actor and crucially, not at all dead in the books. So what the gently caress, HBO? Barristan likely doesn't have a real role in future storylines, while Grey Worm does (cause the whole "former slave learning to be a person" schtick isn't tired at all).
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May 13, 2015 00:36
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grrm probably killed off barristan at some point anyway, they are just compressing storyline. very curious to see what happens to her after she flies off on drogon. she could probably go get a new khalasar, rex poo poo in mereen. maybe she shows up and barristan and greyworm are dead due to the seige, daario bretrayed her, and that triggers her to go apeshit and burn the city. I mean she has nothing left at that point except vengeance and her birthright back in ole westeros
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May 13, 2015 05:02
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kcroy posted:grrm probably killed off barristan at some point anyway, they are just compressing storyline. 95% chance Barristan is the character GRRM had a breakthrough about using in a new and important way recently. Is this just to spite the show? Who knows. Barristan is Tyrion's dad. He had an affair with Tywin's wife while he was Hand.
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May 13, 2015 11:17
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Barristan was actively getting poo poo done in Meereen and not doing sweet gently caress all and that's just not acceptable.
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PittTheElder posted:After the last episode I'm just waiting for people to start calling him Maester Raymond. goddamn that is painful.
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May 13, 2015 15:05
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I know social media is a terrible judge but I try to gauge how well the show is doing by Twitter comments on HBO's Twitter for Game of Thrones and by far this season is the absolute most biting commentary from fans. There are still one or two adamant fanboys but by far the majority are ripping into the show. Before this season the show was infallible and people would literally leap in front of a train to defend their waifu show! The Sand Snakes in particular are getting hammered hard by comments. People said their scene was by and far the most awful thing ever. I can tell most people are book readers on the Twitter though because they posted a House Martell lineage thing and nearly everyone flipped poo poo about no Quentyn or Arianne. And I know someone asked about show watchers getting any tension and by far there have been lots of comments about how boing the season is and how there's little action and people are losing interest fast. Quick, HBO! Kill off more characters or show more tits! Hell, send in a Jaime undercarriage shot for the ladies!
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May 13, 2015 15:27
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kcroy posted:very curious to see what happens to her after she flies off on drogon. She looses her poo poo all over the dothraki sea.
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May 13, 2015 15:36
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I have no idea how anyone could have watched anything with the Sand Snakes and actually say "ok, that's good, let's use it." It's so bad that Karly C looks good because of it.
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May 13, 2015 17:48
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"Ha! They say our show is nothing but two people talking in poorly lit rooms. We'll show them! Four people talking outdoors in a tent on a beach!  "
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May 13, 2015 17:51
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5 people.
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May 13, 2015 18:03
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I know how HBO can fix it. Combine the last 2 books into 1 15-episode season.
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May 13, 2015 19:04
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The best part of that episode was Maester Aemon saying "a targaryaen alone in the world is a terribe thing" and then Jon walks in right then like Joe Biden in the "did somebody say X!?" meme
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Anyone have a link to that golden hand/goblet youtube?
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