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One up, one down, ride, two crashes. Gradually been slimming it down over the years.
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Four piece with hats, ride, and a crash. I'm heavily considering replacing the crash with a riveted ride, and converting my unused 16" floor tom into a bass drum because 22" is frickin' gigantic!
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May 12, 2015 13:36
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I Might Be Adam posted:I'm always surprised how much fun playing on a big kit can be but then I remember how having all that gear is only fun to play, never to tear down, set up, and transport. Yeah my former band wanted me to take the big-ish kit (wasn't really THAT big; like Brann Dailor +-sized) but yeah they didn't have to haul all that poo poo around.  Then again those orange 4 12's way a loving ton as well.Just lemme use my 1 rack 2 floor set, guys. 
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May 12, 2015 13:39
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sebzilla posted:One up, one down, ride, two crashes. Gradually been slimming it down over the years. I complained about having too many stands and attachments for my old 3 up 1 down kit with a bunch of cymbals (like over 10 years ago) and gradually started breaking it down to a smaller kit. Then I bought a new kit. I've had this Ludwig for about 5 years now and while it's much better in regard to the amount of gear I have to transport, it still has a 24" x 20" kick so there's that. 
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May 12, 2015 16:52
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I have that same ride kicking around. It is A Good Ride. 
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May 13, 2015 04:56
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The first thing I thought was "that's got to be a bitch to gig with." To the guy looking to learn rudiments... That's a really good idea. Your fills will be more interesting, your time will get steadier and your limb independence will improve. Vic firth's web site is a great place to start. YouTube also has a billion videos to work with.
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May 17, 2015 00:05
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Always learn your rudiments Never not learn your rudiments.
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May 18, 2015 11:46
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I'm sorry if this has been asked a million times, but is there a relative cheapish e-drum set you guys reccomend? I'm just looking for something to make basic beats to compose music to, as my brain is too dumb to figure out a drum kit thing but I can play actual drums.
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May 19, 2015 01:02
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Greggster posted:I always get so confused when I see drummers who have so much to play on, personally I think two hanging toms and one floortom + 2 crash + 1 ride & hihat (plus snare and kick) is the perfect amount of drums to play on. I hope you don't get confused by the drummers playing their bigger kits, do you mean it's more confusing with so many sounds available? But yea man, to each his own. My kits have a bunch of sounds available to me, but I also like to have a few different sized crashes and splashes, this helps to keep the sounds fresh by not hitting the same crash at the end of every fill, or when you want to use a few different splashes or effects in the middle of a fill even. As for drums, I like to be able to move down the toms to the right OR down the toms to the left, depending on rhythms to avoid shifts. But I also like to just have drum options available when I want them. I like to play progressive music so a bigger kit helps in general and I actually do have a smaller custom kit that I bring to shows to help change-over times.  Everything is on its own stand which means I can get things on and off stage real easily. It is still a good size but hey, that's how I like it! SA tends to like small kits, and that's fine, I can make a small kit sound great and a big kit sound even better! Oh, and I've been drumming for 21 years  Definitely learn/memorize your rudiments! Watch youtube for lessons, get that technique right before you build any bad habits while self-teaching. And have fun more than anything, don't let anyone tell you you're wrong if you're having fun!
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May 19, 2015 01:36
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ATwoSlotToaster posted:SA tends to like small kits, and that's fine, I only started liking smaller kits when I got in my late 30's, started touring waaaay more and ran across increasingly douchey stage/venue managers and sound guys who try to hurry the gently caress out of you.  I was doing sorta progish-instrumental-metal/rock so I tried to simplify the "bigger kit" as much as possible so I could get everything up there in as few trips as possible.and gently caress racks. gently caress them to heeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllll!
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May 19, 2015 01:52
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Abu Dave posted:I'm sorry if this has been asked a million times, but is there a relative cheapish e-drum set you guys reccomend? I'm just looking for something to make basic beats to compose music to, as my brain is too dumb to figure out a drum kit thing but I can play actual drums. Anything low end made by Roland or Yamaha will be fine for what you want to do. There are a thousand brands of cheap chinese edrums and they'll still work ok for midi stuff but I haven't yet seen one that is at all appealing to play and are unlikely to last as long as the better brands
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May 19, 2015 05:31
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What are some favorite drum tracks?
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Jun 7, 2015 05:25
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Really I'm just looking for new stuff to listen to with some sick beats I might want to pick up or to discover some other drummers. Been really bored with or never a fan of a lot of a lot of the great drummers.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:54
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Guy Davis' parts for Reuben are pretty fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE8a1C6Oyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gkv8-c1Cao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiU02zXizXQ and so on
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Jun 8, 2015 20:04
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Here are three of my favorites if I'm in it for listening to fuckin' great drums. Billy Cobham of Mahavishnu Orchestra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10a45mgMGcY (starts around 1:15) Zach Hill of Hella (and about a million other projects) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMDcG3zAEI Brandon Relf of Sleeping People. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCU-vBVLAJA I also tried to find a decent live video of Damon Che of Don Caballero, but he's a big fat guy who doesn't wear a shirt, and his live performances tend to be drunken and sloppy. V----- EDIT: That kit is gorgeous. ----V JesusDoesVegas fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 03:43
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MY WIFE bought me a C&C kit and I love it. Top pic is at their shop, Middle is with the Index Snare, and bottom is with the DW Collector's Brass Snare.   Also made the switch from Sabian HHX to a weird Zildjian mishmash. Custom Special Dry Hats, 24" Light Ride w/gaff tape, and 18" Kerope and Constantinople crashes.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:34
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iwannabebobdylan posted:MY WIFE bought me a C&C kit and I love it. Top pic is at their shop, Middle is with the Index Snare, and bottom is with the DW Collector's Brass Snare.  Nice find. Looks like a great kit.
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Jun 9, 2015 05:24
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iwannabebobdylan posted:MY WIFE bought me a C&C kit and I love it. Top pic is at their shop, Middle is with the Index Snare, and bottom is with the DW Collector's Brass Snare.  Congrats on the kit, looks great.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:11
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I gotta make another post about how gorgeous that C&C kit is. Wow man. I'm jealous. I've always wanted a smaller club kit for certain gigs but those gigs are too few and far between to really validate the need, plus I'd have nowhere to put it. My band's studio space is already full with 3 drum kits and 5 other people's gear. It got me thinking about my Ludwig kit though. I absolutely adore the way it sounds. 24"x20 kick, 10x13" rack tom, 16x16" floor tom. I have noticed over the years that I've owned it, I'm not nearly as fast on the kick as I used to be with a 22x18". I know it takes a bit more effort with a bigger kick but I'm wondering if there are some adjustments that could be made for the kick pedal/tension on the batter head to improve my speed. That kick really booms. Just wish it wasn't so deep.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:28
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For someone who's just adding some midi drums to an entirely computerized composition, am I supposed to just figure out as I go along which beats sound good, or is there a science to this thing? I've just decided to get back into, perhaps, making music, and this time I'm convinced this thing isn't going to roll without drums, and I keep thinking that for this or that passage there's probably a traditional rhythm that an experienced drummer would be able to just copy-paste in there, and I'm probably reinventing the wheel. On the other hand, my stuff tends to be kind of classical in parts; in other parts - quite pop. Anything 101 I should look at? Or am I fine? I reckon most people in my situation probably don't bother with these questions, and just go along with their feelings, but just in case...
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Jun 23, 2015 18:41
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If you're concerned about it, maybe you could collaborate with someone who plays drums/percussion?
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Jun 23, 2015 21:51
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But I've never collaborated with anyone before!  Plus, it's really just computer midi for now, so I don't think I could interest anyone.
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Jun 24, 2015 05:27
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I would recommend listening to a song you like and try and recreate the pattern from the song. Alternatively you can google for free midi drum patterns. Also here's an article on making more realistic programmed drums .
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Jun 24, 2015 12:14
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precedence posted:I would recommend listening to a song you like and try and recreate the pattern from the song. Alternatively you can google for free midi drum patterns. Also here's an article on making more realistic programmed drums . This is great advice. When I started writing music as a kid I was daunted and intimidated by the complexity of writing parts for drum set, but like most things, the best way to get better is by just doing it over and over! Think of a basic beat that would work well with a section of your song and break it down, beat by beat, eighth note by eighth note, sixteenth by sixteenth, what sound is happening where, and so on and so forth. Is there snare on beats 2 and 4? (probably). Where are the bass drum kicks happening? Is there a quarter, eighth, or sixteenth pulse in the hi-hat? Where are the crashes happening? Where are the kicks and passages in the non-percussion parts that you want to accentuate with percussion, either leading up to it or on that beat? etc, etc, etc.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:25
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Well, I've been doing that. Although I've recently gotten disenchanted with transcribing and arranging songs, especially since I'm fond of symphonic music, and to make out percussion in the whole arrangement proportionatelly it's nothing but pain in the rear end.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:34
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Have a browse through an electronic genre guide like this one, and take note of the drum patterns used in styles you like. A lot of music can be categorised fairly broadly just by the type of beat used, there are fairly solid genre structures in place and provide a decent map of what beats generally go where. Doesn't matter what sort of music as really there's only a limited amount of places you can position a drum hit within a bar so a lot of basic patterns are used repeatedly across all types of songs. In music within a specific genre heading, as the tempo and main beat placement can be largely defined already, it becomes more about the tone and texture of your drum sounds instead of distinct patterns to differentiate the songs. If you have a target in mind like pop then start at the house section and make a bunch of tracks with a 4/4 kick, snare on the 2 and 4, hats on the eighths with accents on the upbeats and add cymbals/toms for flavour as the song dictates, then throw in a roll every 4 bars to break it up. A huge amount of charting tracks are backed by a beat like this and you could throw a sidechained compressor on some of your symphonic instruments to really get some pumping going like in almost everything on the radio at the moment. Steal the common verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus chorus arrangement and just throw some songs together and you'll soon get a feel for what sounds work together and how to sit drums in a mix, and then steal the arrangement wholesale from some songs you like and put them in your tracks and just keep exploring. Steal everything, get better at making music, then keep stealing because gently caress it that's just how things are. An easy shortcut would be checking if some songs you like have guitar pro or powertab files available on ultimateguitar, often (sometimes) there will be competent drum transcription, export the midi into your DAW and then chop out bits you like and build your own drum patterns. You could rearrange any song by cutting it into 2 bar sections and shuffling them around to make your own music, perfectly legit way of building midi drum tracks.
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Jun 25, 2015 15:10
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Thanks, I've found your post useful and entertaining. I've just thought that I don't know which sounds correspond to which drum, and it would be nice to learn that, and I opened a virtual drum game. Turns out there's a lot of drums, and they all do slightly different things! With a note sheet the process for me is usually to find some positions that do approximately the things I want and keep using them, because outside of them there's the world of weird wistles and creaks. But I reckon there are some useful sounds that I just don't know about.
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Jun 25, 2015 16:37
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I don't know if this has been discussed earlier in the thread but how do the drummers of SA manage the disgusting callouses on their hands? I've been practicing a lot recently and I seem to repeat a cycle of getting painful blisters all over, they pop and eventually develop into disgustingly thick callouses, those eventually peel off which allow for new blisters then the cycle repeats itself. If it gets really bad or painful and I still want to play I'll put medical tape over the problem areas but I feel like it affects my playing. I'm sure I have lovely form when it comes to holding the sticks but I don't see how consistently playing won't always lead to mangled hands. Should I suck it up and use tape every time I play? I refuse to wear fingerless gloves like some sort of crime fighting tool 
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Jul 29, 2015 03:13
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When I was on tour the callouses were my best friend and the constant playing would usually keep them around. Otherwise it was just tape tape tape tape tape. Now, since it's been about a year since I left all that, my hands are baby soft once more. So yeah, tape.
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Jul 29, 2015 03:33
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Immolat1on posted:I don't know if this has been discussed earlier in the thread but how do the drummers of SA manage the disgusting callouses on their hands? I've been practicing a lot recently and I seem to repeat a cycle of getting painful blisters all over, they pop and eventually develop into disgustingly thick callouses, those eventually peel off which allow for new blisters then the cycle repeats itself. If it gets really bad or painful and I still want to play I'll put medical tape over the problem areas but I feel like it affects my playing. I practice 2-3 hours a day, and used to do 4-5, and have literally never had this happen. That sounds terrifying and gross...maybe get a quick half hour lesson to see what's causing it?
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Anyone in here have some advice about a recording session? My band is in the early stages of starting our album and we've picked a really nice studio to do drum and bass guitar tracking, and will most likely do guitars/vox/keys in 3 different pro tools home studios. I want to record my kit but have been advised to use the studio kit because it's basically been perfectly set up for the room, acoustics, etc. I figured with sound replacement for snare/kick it's not a big deal to play on a different kit but I'm inclined to want to record my own. The only other issue I see is that we're most likely having to split up the drum tracking into two different sessions weeks to months apart and I guess I'm worried about my toms/snare sounding noticeably different. Again, sound replacement would fix that I guess.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:21
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Use your own kit if you like how it sounds. There are a million personal things that go into making your kit yours, and any half-decent engineer will be able to work with it in the room. Splitting tracking over a couple of days should be no big deal either really, the chances of it sounding wildly different are slim unless you retune your drums differently for some reason. In the past I've split a cymbal in between recording sessions and had to replace it, which did make an obvious difference. But your drum sound ought to be fairly consistent.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:33
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Yeah, the session splitting may be as long as two months in between. I'm not super worried though. I guess that's what mastering is also for. I'm inclined to take my own kit. When I was tracking drums for a friend of mine, I didn't give a poo poo because it wasn't my project and I was able to adapt to a studio kit but for this, I think I want it to be my kit's particular sound.
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Posting here too. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3734908 I don't play drums, but I want some metal to bang on. I make wallets for a living and will make you a wallet for your old or unused cymbals. I prefer a smaller, versatile cymbal, but I really know nothing about anything.
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Aug 5, 2015 21:19
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Is there a name for the classic pattern where two snares are hit in quick succession? Here's an example: https://youtu.be/fTH71AAxXmM Another example https://youtu.be/CyEpmA_NBDs me your dad fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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Aug 23, 2015 21:56
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me your dad posted:Is there a name for the classic pattern where two snares are hit in quick succession? Here's an example: https://youtu.be/fTH71AAxXmM That Surf Music Beat, lol People always seem to come into this thread to ask what certain beats are called, but in all honestly very few beats have names! Even really distinctive and iconic ones like that one are usually just tagged as the name of the song they most famously appeared in. To me, that's the Wipeout beat, but even that could be confusing because people often think of the Wipeout drum solo first. As for beats not really being named, my guess would be because That's my guess, anyway.
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Aug 24, 2015 18:07
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timp posted:That Surf Music Beat, lol Yeah, there are names for fills and rudiments but not entire beats (usually). Since it wouldn't be a rule without an exception there ARE beats like "Four on the Floor."
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Aug 29, 2015 01:16
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Purdie Shuffle The Rosanna Shuffle The Amen Break Gadd's 50 Ways I always hate moments like these because I'm forgetting like a billion of them but yeah there IS and there ISN'T names to things.
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When I was like 19-20yrs old, I auditioned for a rock band full of guys in their later 20s/early 30s and the bass player kept telling me to play "those tomahawk drums". I guess he meant a tom beat. He also talked about how much "gash" we were all going to get when we started playing. They were a really terrible band and I didn't join. I think people just use genres/descriptive words instead of official names. Rock, breakbeat, funk, straight, swing, accented, tight, loose, washy, etc. are terms I'm used to hearing when someone is telling me what kind of beat they're hearing over an idea.
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