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Feather posted:Her winning the election will result in the same Republican obstructionism and conservative-democrat games as we've seen the last eight years.* I can't imagine that is something Bernie actually wants to see. I'm sorry but how would Bernie winning reduce any of this?
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Sharkie posted:I'm sorry but how would Bernie winning reduce any of this? Republicans go insane and split the Republican party finally after losing the WhiteHouse to a socialist. or alternatively, Bernie becomes a good SCOTUS nominator, and no laws are passed by either Dems, nor Republicans. Hillary or Bernie, it really only matters that the Supreme Court remain firmly in the hands of sanity.
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May 13, 2015 02:21
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don Jaime posted:Can we trust Sanders on that? And more important, can we trust his supporters? Are you Bill's secret SA account? Christ
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May 13, 2015 02:26
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don Jaime posted:Can we trust Sanders on that? And more important, can we trust his supporters?
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May 13, 2015 02:31
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Sharkie posted:I'm sorry but how would Bernie winning reduce any of this? Didn't say it would. He's unlikely to win, of course, in any case. Edit: this notion that SCOTUS nominations is a good single issue makes me laugh. Also cry, but laugh, too. Our system is too hosed for SCOTUS decisions to mean much.
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May 13, 2015 02:54
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Slate would like to remind you about the sort of people the eventual Republican candidate will have to woo in the third nomination contest in January. The best part of all of this is this quote: quote:As for ISIS, Santorum counseled simple annihilation: “If these folks want to bring back a seventh-century version of Islam, then my recommendation is, let’s load our bombers up and bomb them back to the seventh century.” That line earned a standing ovation. Since Islam from the beginning through about the 13th century were some of the most technologically/socially/politically/artistically advanced, it's an incredibly amusing view to take. Of course Santorum nor his followers have any idea that a thousand years ago Moslems were enjoying massive cities with coffee and tea houses, amazing bathhouses, and having a poetry and written word renaissance while Christians were living in loving squalor and refusing to bathe because they thought bathing was evil and pagan.
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May 13, 2015 02:56
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"If elected, I'm gonna bomb ISIS back to the stone age!" - A guy who was too chickenshit to stand up to a single woman spouting conspiracy theories about Obama nuking Charleston
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May 13, 2015 03:00
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Feather posted:Didn't say it would. He's unlikely to win, of course, in any case. Say this to any gay person, or any sick person who was covered by the ACA.
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May 13, 2015 03:01
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Say this to any gay person, or any sick person who was covered by the ACA. Why don't we let the thousands of people killed by drones do that? Or how about the thousands of people who are sick but can't afford a health plan? Or the young black men murdered day in and day out by police officers? Playing the "special constituencies" game is a pretty lame way to argue.
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May 13, 2015 03:20
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Mordiceius posted:The best part of all of this is this quote: To be fair, public bathing did let the plague take off like a loving rocket. Its drat near impossible to tell what medieval europe would have looked like without it.
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May 13, 2015 03:21
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Feather posted:Why don't we let the thousands of people killed by drones do that? Or how about the thousands of people who are sick but can't afford a health plan? Or the young black men murdered day in and day out by police officers? Because the perfect solution fallacy, thats totally a valid and wise way to argue.
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May 13, 2015 03:22
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Feather posted:Didn't say it would. He's unlikely to win, of course, in any case. Be the change you want to see.
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May 13, 2015 03:22
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Fulchrum posted:Because the perfect solution fallacy, thats totally a valid and wise way to argue. Of course it is isn't, but that wasn't what I was doing, nor was it my point.
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May 13, 2015 03:26
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Feather posted:Of course it is isn't, but that wasn't what I was doing, nor was it my point. Yes, it was. While many things are better with Democrats, some things aren't, therefore gently caress it. That's textbook perfect solution fallacy.
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May 13, 2015 03:28
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Fulchrum posted:Yes, it was. While many things are better with Democrats, some things aren't, therefore gently caress it. That's textbook perfect solution fallacy. No, it isn't. Even if it were (it is not), that isn't what I was arguing. But you seem to enjoy making up arguments for me and then countering them so please knock yourself out with that.
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May 13, 2015 03:34
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Feather posted:No, it isn't. Even if it were (it is not), that isn't what I was arguing. But you seem to enjoy making up arguments for me and then countering them so please knock yourself out with that. Well then please educate us as to why you felt the need to counter people telling you why many groups know there is a huge difference based on who is sitting in the white house, with saying that certain other groups would not be any differently off based on that. Because from where I'm sitting, that is "Well, yeah, but not EVERYTHING would be fixed. Hah, didn't think of that, did you?" sort of smug smartassery.
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May 13, 2015 03:37
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Feather posted:Why don't we let the thousands of people killed by drones do that? Or how about the thousands of people who are sick but can't afford a health plan? Or the young black men murdered day in and day out by police officers? With a liberal majority it's possible that those things would be curtailed. For instance with a proper majority, ACA might have been a lot bigger with the forced medicare expansion.
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May 13, 2015 03:41
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Feather posted:No, it isn't. Even if it were (it is not), that isn't what I was arguing. But you seem to enjoy making up arguments for me and then countering them so please knock yourself out with that. So what are you arguing? How am I supposed to read that other than that the supreme court's decisions on gay rights and the ACA aren't important or don't count because drones and police brutality exist?
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May 13, 2015 03:43
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Babylon Astronaut posted:It was the IRS. They were butthurt that they spent 4.1 million on hosting a conference for 2,600 people. The 4 mill included travel and lodging, so all in all, it's about $1,600 per person, which really isn't that bad. 3 days in a hotel, airfare to Los Angeles and food for $1,600 is a pretty cheap vacation. Most of the complaints came from people who didn't even understand the value of having everyone meet up in the same place for some face time. I'm pretty sure the more major one was the $800k event the GSA had in Vegas because of the optics of "the government's own watchdogs blowing YOUR MONEY on a pleasure junket in Sin City!!!" But yeah it was especially irritating to hear people trying to argue that the government should be run more like a business and yet not have conferences, which large and successful businesses clearly have all the time.
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May 13, 2015 04:33
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The IRS one was a poo poo storm too. The Washington Post was all about the IRS one. It's not like these stories only come around once in a while.
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May 13, 2015 04:47
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The government should be run like a business. Earn a surplus and then use most of that surplus to give bonuses to Obama and the rest of the executive cabinet and to expand the business by taking over other private enterprises at home and abroad. I say Obama instead of POTUS because companies tend not to have term limits.
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May 13, 2015 05:02
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Yeah, but companies also tend not to be run by black men.
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Big election news out of New Hampshire. The first votes cast will no longer be in Dixville Notch, as the lodge went out of business and nobody lives in the town any more. Instead, Millsfield, NH will start voting at midnight, hoping to have all 21 of its voters hit the polls so they can declare 100% participation and close early.quote:For years, people in Millsfield marked ballots atop a washing machine in the Sweatt family’s farmhouse. More recently, voters have picked candidates in one of the three bedrooms at Sonja and Charlie Sheldon’s bed-and-breakfast. If everybody showed up at once, some had to go elsewhere. But because their minds are addled with the awful swill they pretend is quality maple syrup - it is poisonous compared to Vermont's superior product - the New Hampshirites are having trouble. quote:But the new status has also brought a host of challenges. Another smashing success for voter ID laws!
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The man who was cheered on a debate stage last time for having executed more people than anyone else would like to tell you about his new criminal justice reform proposal to reduce the prison population. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOa8IDxj1Oo
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May 13, 2015 15:18
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Sir Tonk posted:I doubt it, the way he phrased the answer was certainly referring to the decision made at the time. His reference to Hillary shows that, in my opinion. This is absolutely deliberate. It reminds me of something McNamara said in The Fog of War: Don't answer the question you were asked, answer the question you wish you were asked.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/us/politics/gop-seeks-strategy-for-debates-amid-expanding-candidate-list.html?_r=0quote:Republican leaders, searching for a fair-minded but strategically wise way to conduct the presidential primary debates, are grappling with how to manage White House contenders in a sprawling field that mixes proven politicians with provocateurs and reflects an increasingly fractious party.  edit Farmer Crack-rear end posted:This is absolutely deliberate. It reminds me of something McNamara said in The Fog of War: Don't answer the question you were asked, answer the question you wish you were asked. Except answering the question he wished he was asked was not the best choice in that situation. I dunno, it just seems too amateurish for Jeb to have done that intentionally. Perhaps I have more faith in him than I should.
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/us/politics/gop-seeks-strategy-for-debates-amid-expanding-candidate-list.html?_r=0 Hahahahhah yesss YESSSSSSSS
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May 13, 2015 16:30
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Republican Presidential candidates will always remain comedic so long as they continue to have zero chance at the Presidency.
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Nonsense posted:Republican Presidential candidates will always remain comedic so long as they continue to have zero chance at the Presidency. I disagree, the non-zero chance that one of these individuals could be elected as the Leader of the Free World is a big part of the absurdity
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May 13, 2015 16:39
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Joementum posted:The man who was cheered on a debate stage last time for having executed more people than anyone else would like to tell you about his new criminal justice reform proposal to reduce the prison population. Black suit on black background make Perry head look like a drat talking ice cream cone, all whispering fresh horrors from the void. Anyways is this going to be a part of the narrative coming from the right now, too? Because "closing prisons=small government" makes sense in theory for tea party cred, but it still feels like a fairly moderate position.
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May 13, 2015 16:48
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So, Texas City is going to be the first to enact the Judge System?
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I disagree, the non-zero chance that one of these individuals could be elected as the Leader of the Free World is a big part of the absurdity In my head I pretend ~70 million votes for a GOP is that "non-zero" chance.
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May 13, 2015 17:00
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Babylon Astronaut posted:It was the IRS. They were butthurt that they spent 4.1 million on hosting a conference for 2,600 people. The 4 mill included travel and lodging, so all in all, it's about $1,600 per person, which really isn't that bad. 3 days in a hotel, airfare to Los Angeles and food for $1,600 is a pretty cheap vacation. Most of the complaints came from people who didn't even understand the value of having everyone meet up in the same place for some face time. This has been a serious hamper on governmental efficacy ever since, with scientists unable to represent things like NASA in international events, IRS agents unable to be certified, and general oversight and development suffering. There's an interesting article on it that I can dig up later.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:It was the IRS. They were butthurt that they spent 4.1 million on hosting a conference for 2,600 people. The 4 mill included travel and lodging, so all in all, it's about $1,600 per person, which really isn't that bad. 3 days in a hotel, airfare to Los Angeles and food for $1,600 is a pretty cheap vacation. Most of the complaints came from people who didn't even understand the value of having everyone meet up in the same place for some face time. Also people mock, and denigrate IRS employees in every waking moment. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 17:50 on May 13, 2015 |
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AndNowMax posted:Black suit on black background make Perry head look like a drat talking ice cream cone, all whispering fresh horrors from the void. Its been a thing among some on the right for a while now, with Rand and Cory Booker introducing legislation on criminal reform a year ago.
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May 13, 2015 17:47
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Nonsense posted:Also people mock, and denigrate IRS employees in every waking moment. People don't like collection agents, who knew? Also doesn't help when the IRS threatens to levy widow's homes, abuses jeopardy levies, etc. Face it, the IRS has always been thuggish since that's their loving job, just like it is with state tax authorities, with collection agencies, etc. Edit: Note that the IRS could avoid many of their bad PR collection practices using the 'effective tax administration' loophole, but they choose not to do so because of inertia. Horseshoe theory fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 13, 2015 |
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I hate to ruin Joementum's day, but the 'Liberty Bro' t-shirt from Rand's t-shirt voting competition didn't make it to the finals. It's between Rand dressed up as (what I think is supposed to be) George Washington, and the one with plain text saying the NSA knows 'I' bought this shirt. A sad day for America, everybody. 
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May 13, 2015 18:44
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Slate would like to remind you about the sort of people the eventual Republican candidate will have to woo in the third nomination contest in January. Isn't this literally how Ben Carson was thrown into the mix? Throw a bunch of red meat and the base, which has the attention span of a gnat, decides you're now a legitimate presidential candidate.
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Jeb takes a third stab at the Iraq question:quote:Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) on Wednesday said that he has refused to answer whether he would order the Iraq War knowing what he knows now, because it would disrespect the troops, according to CNN.
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