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Jay Carney posted:Specifically ESPN bought 538 so it could be stashed away for ABC news which has a much smaller budget. They thought they could get more content out of them I guess but it's going to be big for the elections. 538 will voltron up with the abc internal polling unit and in all likelihood be super wrong when Ben Carson wins it all or something. Nate Silver has been a famous internet statistics man for nearly as long as Simmons has been a famous sports personality. He did almost as well projecting the 2008 election as 2012, and will likely do similarly in 2016 because the statistical modeling he's doing isn't that crazy and wacky in the political spectrum, it's just accessible, visually friendly, and he's a decent writer and not buried in political statistics academia. Yes, they'll probably clean up in 2016 because it's gonna be a crazy poo poo show. Whiny or no, complaints about the UK polling have merit because he's never been creating his own data, just weighing and modeling polls. The stumble with 538 is that there are a whole bunch more people than Nate Silver writing for it, he can't vet everything, and they thought "Hey people are into factual data reporting now" and slapping graphs on poo poo would find a huge audience. Turns out people don't care as much about the relative percentage of houses that have lead paint in Baltimore as they do about the presidential election. Badfinger fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 12, 2015 |
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May 12, 2015 16:28
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:Isn't there a Grantland Basketbal Hour scheduled for tonight? If there was, it isn't on their schedule anymore. Edit: Apparently "canceled due to playoff double-header on TNT."
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May 12, 2015 16:35
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Bill Plaschke: Correllation is Causation and Tom Brady = Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong Tl,Dr: Ol' Bill here thinks (or at least, wants the reader to think) that because of Deflategate, Tom Brady's success is all a lie and he's been cheating since at least 2006, since he was on a player committee that lobbied to change the rule on who provides the footballs, and then went on to become the best QB in the league for 8 seasons. Evidently, if you ain't cheatin, you're writing bad articles about cheaters.
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May 12, 2015 16:51
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If that's what it takes to become an elite quarterback, then people should be mad that their team WASN'T doing it.
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May 12, 2015 16:53
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I am kind of surprised they haven't decided to look into his U of M time and vacate a bowl win and some records. To assume this all just started at 2006 is clearly just putting the blinders on. Someone find Lloyd Carr.
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May 12, 2015 17:29
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Simmons found out along with the rest of us.quote:ESPN President John Skipper on Bill Simmons: "It Was Business" http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/espn-president-john-skipper-bill-794981
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Clearly him being drafted 199th overall is the sign of a greater conspiracy. 199 / 6 <- the round in which he was drafted in = 33.17 .17 is Bill Belichick's favorite number. 33.17 / 13 <- the median PSI of a properly inflated NFL football =2.51 2.51 is the amount of pressure Brady did-or-did-not observe to be missing from the footballs 13 - 1 <- The number of times Tom's been caught cheating =12 12 is Tom Brady's number THE NFL IS A LIEEEEEEE
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May 12, 2015 17:44
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Sorry that Tom Brady is a cheater
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May 12, 2015 19:52
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If you're going to argue about that dumb story do so in the assume very dumb TFF thread, thanks.
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The Casualty posted:Clearly him being drafted 199th overall is the sign of a greater conspiracy. 12 divided by the number of Super Bowl wins 4, 12/4 = 3 Half-Life 3 confirmed
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Since someone brought up Deadspin acted petty and jilted towards Simmons, they put out yet another article about him today. For someone they seem to think is a lovely writer and personality they sure devote an awful lot of page space to the guy.
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May 12, 2015 21:16
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He can be both a bad writer and a big story.
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May 12, 2015 21:20
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538 seemingly spent a decent amount of money trying to find the best burrito in America using goofy metrics and all it did was piss everyone off.
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May 12, 2015 21:36
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Deadspin writers get paid based off page view I believe and I'm sure they get a lot every time they mention Bill Simmons. His firing was all over CNN and Bloomberg last week so it seems like it's a pretty big deal even outside the sports community.
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May 12, 2015 21:39
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The New York Times sent a breaking news alert to my phone about Simmons and I wanted to die.
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Akileese posted:Since someone brought up Deadspin acted petty and jilted towards Simmons, they put out yet another article about him today. For someone they seem to think is a lovely writer and personality they sure devote an awful lot of page space to the guy. Simmons himself made his name going after people who are lovely at their jobs. See KAAAAHN, Isiah Thomas as GM of the knicks, Doc before KG arrived and his feuds with Keith Olbermann, Charlie Pierce, Mike and Mike, and WEEI. In any case, if this is the story you are referring to: http://deadspin.com/how-to-employ-bill-simmons-1703224603 I think that while it comes across as a bit too petty at times, it does a good job of providing the numbers related to discussion we had last page.
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joepinetree posted:Simmons himself made his name going after people who are lovely at their jobs. See KAAAAHN, Isiah Thomas as GM of the knicks, Doc before KG arrived and his feuds with Keith Olbermann, Charlie Pierce, Mike and Mike, and WEEI. I think it's pretty much like every other Deadspin hit piece on Simmons. It's petty and juvenile, but also manages to make a few good points along the way.
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MourningView posted:If you're going to argue about that dumb story do so in the assume very dumb TFF thread, thanks. This is the journalism thread, I was pointing out a dumb article. I don't give two shits about Deflategate, but I do think this plot twist is pretty funny.
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C. Everett Koop posted:12 divided by the number of Super Bowl wins 4, 12/4 = 3 
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The coolest thing Nate Silver ever did was using Benford's Law to prove that Strategic Vision's polls were fraudulent. They are out of the polling business now.
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Badfinger posted:Boston sports being an absolute powerhouse for the last decade plus is extremely bad for him in his writing, because instead of sad douche he's now incredibly entitled douche. Putting so much into showing who you are as a person through the writing is what made him, but also hurts him badly. This hits the nail on the head. The better the Boston teams do, the less I want to be exposed to him.
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Cruel and Unusual posted:The coolest thing Nate Silver ever did was using Benford's Law to prove that Strategic Vision's polls were fraudulent. They are out of the polling business now. Benford's law just deserves more publicity period.
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May 13, 2015 14:48
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soggybagel posted:538 seemingly spent a decent amount of money trying to find the best burrito in America using goofy metrics and all it did was piss everyone off. that's one of Nate Silver's original gangsta projects so it's totally unsurprising that 538 finished it and that people didn't quite get it and got mad
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Parody Threads posted:that's one of Nate Silver's original gangsta projects so it's totally unsurprising that 538 finished it and that people didn't quite get it and got mad I just got mad because the candidates weren't even the greatest burritos in their respective cities, let alone the best in the country. But then again, it's food, so it's all subjective.
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i guess BS is really done at ESPN. He should have put out like 3 BS Reports by now.
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Yep, no more appearances of any kind for Simmons at ESPN http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/05/15/bill-simmons-done-espn-grantland-john-skipper?xid=si_social
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Skipper posted:It’s going to be better for us to talk to each other and not go to the press. No it's not, Bill. Go tell the TV how you feel about this.
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Vertical Lime posted:Yep, no more appearances of any kind for Simmons at ESPN Man, ESPN loving took him out harsh.
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i'm already feeling Simmons withdrawals urgh
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I would have been upset about this 5 years ago, but the Boston homer schtick got old a while ago.
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FistEnergy posted:I would have been upset about this 5 years ago, but the Boston homer schtick got old a while ago. I think generally the fear is Grantland will go to poo poo.
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Actually, we're missing out on a 15,000 word Boston homer rant comparing the Brady suspension to Andy Dufresne and I would unironically enjoy it because the best part of Bill Simmons columns is reading them, basking in the terrible simmonsness of all of them while being incredulous.
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Geno posted:i'm already feeling Simmons withdrawals urgh I want to see his reactions about deflategate and the Clippers blowing a 19 point lead in the 4th. Ugh just ugh.
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Every day I say a prayer that an e-mail leaks from Goodell to Skipper demanding Simmons be fired.Alain Post posted:I want to see his reactions about deflategate and the Clippers blowing a 19 point lead in the 4th. Ugh just ugh. Me too. I didn't think I would miss him that much, but I do!
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Bill's goodbye e-mail:quote:Wanted to tell you that it looks like I am done being involved with Grantland. Can’t say much here for obvious reasons, at least for now—I know you understand. In the short-term—don’t let this bullshit affect you. Just keep doing what you’re doing. It’s a job. We tried to make it feel like it was more than a job these last four years, but right now, it’s still a job and Grantland is still being consumed and judged by the general public (with unusually high standards, too). So keep the quality of your work as high as it’s always been. Work situations are rarely going to be perfect and you can’t allow it to affect what you’re doing. The best way to “respond” right now is to keep putting out a great site. If you didn’t know, April was our best month—we passed 10 million uniques without chasing traffic and without any leading-the-site promotion whatsoever from ESPN.com (just one Mets piece for like 90 minutes, that’s it). We built an audience because of quality and quality only. You guys should feel good about that.
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May 16, 2015 05:48
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straight up brolic posted:Grantland does really good traffic for a long form niche website that isn't SEO/social media driven The problem becomes turning that traffic into a profit without Bill Barnwell breaking down the statistical value of a Subway sandwich or something stupid like that.
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