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Vermain posted:It wasn't really "realistic style." If you take a look at the actual in-game models, appearances are still very stylized. What you're probably talking about is the color palette, which was washed-out and subdued, which gave it more of a "realistic" appearance. Either way, I suspect the major problem was just lovely coding that couldn't handle the massive numbers via animation/model culling, or which leaned too heavily on the CPU. They were stuck in development hell for quite a while, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that their codebase was a mess. I mean, I'm sure it was more than the graphic style (I think they were using a lovely engine to begin with), but I guess as Wildstar shows a simple graphical style doesn't prevent your game from running like poo poo.
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Asimo posted:As big a trainwreck as Warhammer was, it was still the only MMO where PVP was even vaguely fun, at least in the low-level brackets. When they actually worked. I must be the only person who actually misses Warhammer Online.
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It continues to amaze me that no other game has picked up on way they let you have a hostile target and a friendly target, it actually made playing a healer vaguely fun for a change.
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May 13, 2015 22:50
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Verranicus posted:I must be the only person who actually misses Warhammer Online. Despite all that it was still a far better game than Wildstar. Even if it wasn't as good as it could have been it still had a lot of clever mechanics, and some of the better ones (like the open zone quests) have been taken by other games and are nearly universal now, with nobody remembering the actual source.
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May 13, 2015 22:57
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Hey guess what showed up on SteamDB? https://steamdb.info/sub/68224/ Another sign of F2P?
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DarkstarIV posted:Hey guess what showed up on SteamDB? People on r/wildstar have already dissected it. This is pretty much confirmation. FF14 is listed as billingtype "Store or CD Key (10)", while Warframe (f2p game) is "Free on Demand (12)", which is what they set Wildstar to.
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May 13, 2015 23:33
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This is reading more and more like the final days of Jonestown with every wrinkle. How long till the remaining players all mass delete their characters. They'll never make the game free 2 play while we still live.
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I imagine even if they make it f2p it'll be exactly the same game, they'll probably just add a cash shop where you can buy skill amps or hats or something. Should be interesting to see what happens a month or so after it goes f2p or b2p or whatever, it'll be fun to see people complain about the exact same things people complain about now, except they'll be told "it's free, if you don't like it don't play it"
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Belzac posted:This is reading more and more like the final days of Jonestown with every wrinkle. How long till the remaining players all mass delete their characters. They'll never make the game free 2 play while we still live. 
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May 13, 2015 23:41
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CoffeeBooze posted:If you casuals don't even have the skill and free time to read back two pages before posting maybe you should go post in a casual thread for babies like the WoW thread. It talks about some person called girl with ruined teeth or w/e.
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panda clue posted:People on r/wildstar have already dissected it. This is pretty much confirmation. FF14 is listed as billingtype "Store or CD Key (10)", while Warframe (f2p game) is "Free on Demand (12)", which is what they set Wildstar to. Even b2p games are listed as "store" if they are fully integrated to steam. or store/key if they aren't. Stick a  in it, its done
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Stick a oh no, this is where it starts to get good, friend
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May 13, 2015 23:48
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So can they not post on the forums when maintenance is going on, or is it just a really slow day over there?
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May 13, 2015 23:51
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This is GREAT news for Wildstar, and Bitcoin.
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Verranicus posted:So can they not post on the forums when maintenance is going on, or is it just a really slow day over there? Their old (at least it probably is now) forum model required you to have an active paid subscription to post, so they probably have to take that out. Knowing carbine, trying to change that will probably lead to them accidentally destroying the forums. I don't think any of the original tech team is still around, they replaced a lot of their staff with fresh recruits who didn't realize their pay is poo poo.
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So who's all for posting source quotes on reddit and the forums where they say they would rather let the game die before going to a non sub model when this happens?
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Holyshoot posted:So who's all for posting source quotes on reddit and the forums where they say they would rather let the game die before going to a non sub model when this happens? I wish I'd saved some of the screenshots I took for this very reason. I did it when TOR went F2P and it was amazing.
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CoffeeBooze posted:I think Fran is just stressing more than usual because her banning talk about f2p actually made it onto an MMO news site. At least Franbunny seems to have realised the error of her ways after being featured on massively, oh wait no of course she loving hasn't. FranBunnyFFXII posted:The moderator that came up and removed me was one that 1. does not play the game, 2. was inactive in moderating the sub and didn't do anything either.
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May 14, 2015 00:45
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DarkstarIV posted:Hey guess what showed up on SteamDB? Wanna read those WS forum baddie meltdowns
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May 14, 2015 00:57
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but my subreddit
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May 14, 2015 00:58
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How does reddit deal with bad people? Do they ever ban it's from making accounts? If not make a new account and you're good to go.
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Yes, the subreddit needs active Wildstar players to mod it, because said players are great at making good decisions. Yessiree.
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May 14, 2015 01:09
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https://steamdb.info/app/371920/subs/ more stuff about this. So will it still be sub, or maybe a tiered system?
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So explain something for me The past few games that went from subscription to F2P / B2P did so because while the game was kinda fun, it wasn't subscription fun. They modified their game slightly to support the new model and everything was good (enough) From what I'm reading Wildstar has been a Not Fun game. What are they doing / have they done to support making the game worthy of playing for free, much less paying anything for it?
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May 14, 2015 01:25
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Oh man, all this drama over Wildstar plus all the drama over Blizzard's massive bot ban wave recently have made for great forum reading.
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Verranicus posted:Oh man, all this drama over Wildstar plus all the drama over Blizzard's massive bot ban wave recently have made for great forum reading. What is this about a bot ban? Color me interested, I love schadenfreude l as much as the next goon.
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Unlucky7 posted:What is this about a bot ban? Color me interested, I love schadenfreude l as much as the next goon. A shitload of people apparently got banned for using HonorBuddy, a pvp bot.
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Shadowlyger posted:A shitload of people apparently got banned for using HonorBuddy, a pvp bot. Their forums are on fire with angry bot customers too, weird 
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noELrunes posted:https://steamdb.info/app/371920/subs/ Wildstar itself is free on demand. Usually the core app will still be cd/key if it was b2p or p2p. The extra keys are probably packages similar to how some f2p games hand out a cdkey when you buy a steam bundle, like Marvel Heroes does. vvvv Probably first time offenses and they probably think they have a good way of detecting to get repeat offenders. A few were perms. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 02:01 on May 14, 2015 |
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mp5 posted:Their forums are on fire with angry bot customers too, weird 6 month ban seems odd.
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Now that you can't not play this game, why not go for not playing this other game. Truly the way to enjoy Wildstar.
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I hope Wildstar f2p takes off like a rocket, but only because Carbine just doubles down on casual poo poo like housing and shiphands. Wildstar then becomes a living hell for these hardcore cupcakes 
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Vermain posted:This is GREAT news for Wildstar, and Bitcoin. Yeah, absolutely fantastic news, because 
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Verranicus posted:In the main "our cheating program got detected!" thread on those bot forums there's more than one person urging people to try Wildstar now that they've been banned from WoW, and that the Wildstar equivalent bot will -never- get detected. Or they could just go to ffxiv where you only get caught botting if you're blatantly retarded about it. And the game is a thousand times better. I would imagine most people just bot up the gathering professions.
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There's some bots and yeah, mostly you'll only be banned if you're teleport hacking in broad view but at least for PvP there's one guy who's been botting for a while now and every game I've gotten with him we kick him from the game so he doesn't get any rewards.
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A guy claiming to be a carbine employee is posting alleged spoilers about the future of the game over there now. Part of the bans Fran had been racking up was trying to keep him from posting while she tried to get in touch with Carbine about him.  Since she's not a mod anymore, she's given up and posted his "proof": quote:It's not great. From top to bottom we have handfuls of people leaving every week, there was a stretch where we averaged at least 5 people leaving a week for 5 weeks. As you all probably know we've had 2 Art Directors leave within 8 months, a handful of Producers have left, we still have no Studio Head to replace Gaffney, hell even our Wildstar specific QA is down to about 7 people and a few of them are leaving in the next couple weeks as well. We've had 4 designers from different Feature Teams leave in the past 7 work days as well. There is no transparency and everyone is always fearful of what will even be here 2 months from now. The place is ran very poorly by people who have the biggest egos that fight over everything. edit: cyster take gaffney's position highlander style tia
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Video game QA is almost McDonald's-level poo poo. If your QA team is up and quitting you are fuuuuucked.
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Link for those curious.quote:Hey there! Steam integration has been coming for a while, Valve was in our office here in Orange County back in January. We are trying to get Wildstar to be THE MMO for Steamboxes, IE, Wildstar will be preinstalled with every system. It should be happening before the China launch that's for sure. God bless you, Wildstar guy. Keep on livin' that dream. 
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