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Notahippie posted:1. Pushed for universal health care before almost any other serious national figure did, even if she failed at getting it at the time. I think those are legitimate answers. I'm a little dubious that she'll still try to push issue #1 now that the ACA is in place, even though I'd rather see actual universal healthcare. Hopefully she makes some sort of statement about this once the campaigning starts in earnest. I'm not as happy with her work at the state department - though opening Iran is undeniably a good thing, but the way the Arab Spring was handled is pretty disappointing and the whole email thing is really troubling to me. Point 3 I can't argue with. I think it's pretty clear that she's not my first pick to be president, but I willingly concede that she's not anywhere close to being as awful as any of the GOP contestants.
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richardfun posted:I'd like to see him work that into his stump speech on an indian reservation. Or Hawaii.
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ErIog posted:Man, Jeb's running his campaign like a clown show. I think Hillary can beat Jeb easily in the general, but I think Rubio could beat her if he can get the nomination. Jeb has the personality of a wet shoe, but Rubio is actually a pretty decent speaker. I think he sounds somewhat insincere, but he doesn't give off the used-car-salesman vibe that Cruz gives off in spades. He also has an interesting personal story, and he seems like he's willing to at least say he's gonna do something on immigration reform. He also seems like he's savvy enough to not get mired too much in the culture war. Are you talking about a different Rubio? I've heard all these fucks give softball interviews on conservative talk radio except Jeb and Rubio has like negative charisma. Cruz is good at riling crazies, Huckabee has his "aw shucks" routine on lock, and Rand Paul is a decent speaker when he's not ducking out of interviews. Rubio is just the generic milquetoast white empty suit except he's Hispanic. Which actually would make him a good establishment candidate if they weren't completely uninterested in running a non-white, non-grayhair.
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May 14, 2015 04:33
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FAUXTON posted:Or Hawaii. Or the former Confederacy.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Which actually would make him a good establishment candidate if they weren't completely uninterested in running a non-white, non-grayhair.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Or the former Confederacy. If one starts from the idiotic assumption of America as the aggressor against the confederacy (rather than, you know, the confederacy seizing American military posts and then shelling Fort Sumter, aka recorded history) then you could say the war was fought to secure freedom for millions of people held in bondage by the slavers.
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May 14, 2015 05:02
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Are you talking about a different Rubio? I've heard all these fucks give softball interviews on conservative talk radio except Jeb and Rubio has like negative charisma. Cruz is good at riling crazies, Huckabee has his "aw shucks" routine on lock, and Rand Paul is a decent speaker when he's not ducking out of interviews. Rubio is just the generic milquetoast white empty suit except he's Hispanic. Which actually would make him a good establishment candidate if they weren't completely uninterested in running a non-white, non-grayhair. 538 was saying he was a stronger candidate than he seemed for the reasons you said. I think they are wrong for the reasons you said
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Notahippie posted:1. Pushed for universal health care before almost any other serious national figure did, even if she failed at getting it at the time. Whatever she was 20 years ago, Hillary's political and policy positions today are what her army of focus groups and campaign handlers tell her they are. Those beliefs to which that doesn't apply can be gleaned from her time in recent office, where she is evidently a fiscal and foreign policy conservative. Her vote on Iraq, regretful or not, and her position on the TPP ought to be sufficient to demonstrate that. Fact is, she's a mainstream democrat with conservative economic views, hawkish foreign policy views and some redeeming progressive social beliefs. She's closer to an American libertarian who doesn't hiss and cross her fingers at the approach of government than she is to a progressive or liberal. Her actions, much like Obama's, will end up helping some in the short term while hurting (possibly, and probably) many more others in both the short term and long term. In light of that, it's kind of sad that she is apparently the best mainstream candidate in the race (in either party). She is, most definitely, the mainstream candidate least likely to pursue stupidly short-sighted and self-destructive policy. That doesn't mean she's likely to make the US better, incrementally or otherwise. Best case is that it's likely she'll do things that, overall, end up being a wash.
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AndNowMax posted:The relative diversity of the primary field shows the Republicans are more than willing to give identity politics a shot; they've got an African-American, an Indian-American, a woman and three Hispanics. And Rubio's the most right-wing of the good establishment candidates, with only Cruz and Paul farther to the right than him. I mean they can't stop these people from throwing in. I'll agree they are willing to try identity politics when they nominate someone who isn't a white man.
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FAUXTON posted:If one starts from the idiotic assumption of America as the aggressor against the confederacy (rather than, you know, the confederacy seizing American military posts and then shelling Fort Sumter, aka recorded history) then you could say the war was fought to secure freedom for millions of people held in bondage by the slavers. It was a joke about Republican primary voters.
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Sir Kodiak posted:It was a joke about Republican primary voters. Well I guess I was just spelling it out 
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OctoberBlues posted:Tom Cotton could gain a few pounds, he is very weird looking and stick-like... Tom Cotton sounds like the name of a character from one of those African folk tales that was appropriated by racists, ala Uncle Remus/Brer Rabbit. An excerpt from Uncle Ronnie's Songs and Stories for Aw-Shucks, Down-Home, Country Conservatives: "Well, now what Tom Cotton did was, he got all them other God-fearin', woodland critter-folk together, and they wrote theyselves a letter to the mullahs..."  Spun Dog posted:Someone should ask him if he would invade Iraq given what we know now. And if he still intends to make good on his promise to rid this country of every last rabbit. Warmachine posted:The hack politician version of giving your class presentation naked? I wonder what Cruz dreams about?  Teeth are a commonly-occurring dream image.I forget what they're thought to symbolize, though. Deep Hurting fucked around with this message at 06:29 on May 14, 2015 |
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OctoberBlues posted:Tom Cotton could gain a few pounds, he is very weird looking and stick-like... That's because Tom Cotton is Sid the sloth from Ice Age.  
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Feather posted:Whatever she was 20 years ago, Hillary's political and policy positions today are what her army of focus groups and campaign handlers tell her they are. "Her history has always been to the left of most of the Democrats at the time" "Well forget it because NOWADAYS she's only going to listen to what other people tell her!" You're one of the Liberal Logic people, aren't you? And I swear to crap, if I see one more person say she loooooooves death because she stupidly believed Republicans about Iraq...... Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 08:12 on May 14, 2015 |
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FAUXTON posted:If one starts from the idiotic assumption of America as the aggressor against the confederacy (rather than, you know, the confederacy seizing American military posts and then shelling Fort Sumter, aka recorded history) then you could say the war was fought to secure freedom for millions of people held in bondage by the slavers.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I am okay with this assumption if it means we can put John Brown on the 20 for being a national hero. He's even tangentially related to Harriet Tubman! Only if the 20 is redesigned to use this as the background for the bill: 
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May 14, 2015 08:24
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Last 3 US elections I followed closely and with a lot of interest. I was younger so I also believed in Barack Obama the first time. I thought it was all very cool. This time I don't really care and all of the candidates seem boring and shite.
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May 14, 2015 11:46
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In the most recent episode of That's So Bush, Jeb accidentally declared his run for president.
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Notahippie posted:3. Consistent lifetime support for women's empowerment in America and abroad. Empowering all women (except those who make politically problematic but true claims who she dismisses, villainizes, and slut-shames).
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May 14, 2015 13:12
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How long has Gary McCoy had an account?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Was he skipping history class when they got to the part about Manifest Destiny? Rubio's been David Barton'd like the rest of the Republican Party.
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Fulchrum posted:And I swear to crap, if I see one more person say she loooooooves death because she stupidly believed Republicans about Iraq...... Can we say she loves death because State's legal reasoning and approval allowed Obama to expand the drone program though?
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ufarn posted:In the most recent episode of That's So Bush, Jeb accidentally declared his run for president. If Jeb wins the White House, we'd better at least get a rebooted That's My Bush. 
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Fulchrum posted:How long has Gary McCoy had an account? Sorry for pointing out to someone claiming Hillary "empowers women" that she argued that a relationship between POTUS and an intern wasn't a "power relationship". So, like, she's literally unempowering women (just those that get in her way so maybe that's cool who can fathom the liberal mind)
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Sorry for pointing out to someone claiming Hillary "empowers women" that she argued that a relationship between POTUS and an intern wasn't a "power relationship". I think that that particular relationship might have been more complex for her than "POTUS and an intern."
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Can we say she loves death because State's legal reasoning and approval allowed Obama to expand the drone program though? Yeah it'd be much better if we had shot rockets at them, or sent actual soldiers. Those are both far less bad. edit  He's so confident!
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Oh, also, everyone needs to set their calendars for May 28th when George Pataki will make an announcement. I hope you're as excited as I am about this, because if you're less excited you may no longer have a pulse.
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Joementum posted:Oh, also, everyone needs to set their calendars for May 28th when George Pataki will make an announcement. we're sorry for our streak of lovely governors
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ufarn posted:In the most recent episode of That's So Bush, Jeb accidentally declared his run for president. Pretty solid gaffe of saying out loud what everyone knows.
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Shifty Pony posted:Pretty solid gaffe of saying out loud what everyone knows. Yes, everyone knows, but he can't officially say it, because then he wouldn't be able to be personally involved in raising $100 million for his super-PAC. Aren't US election laws great?
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May 14, 2015 14:43
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Citizens United is the stupidest bullshit in american history.
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The FEC head already admitted they were a joke. Por que no los dos?
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Ignite Memories posted:Citizens United is the stupidest bullshit in american history. Officially marks the new Gilded Age in US politics.
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Ignite Memories posted:Citizens United is the stupidest bullshit in american history. Nah, unless you were super loving naive.
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Ignite Memories posted:Citizens United is the stupidest bullshit in american history. Haha yeah, imagine if they had gone with the government's extremely smart argument about how it would be constitutional to ban books.
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ErIog posted:Man, Jeb's running his campaign like a clown show. I think Hillary can beat Jeb easily in the general, but I think Rubio could beat her if he can get the nomination. Jeb has the personality of a wet shoe, but Rubio is actually a pretty decent speaker. I think he sounds somewhat insincere, but he doesn't give off the used-car-salesman vibe that Cruz gives off in spades. He also has an interesting personal story, and he seems like he's willing to at least say he's gonna do something on immigration reform. He also seems like he's savvy enough to not get mired too much in the culture war. quote:WASHINGTON — Jeb Bush hasn't declared his White House candidacy, but the former Florida governor is raising record amounts to build a political infrastructure that could overwhelm his rivals for the Republican nomination and break ground on campaign finance. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/05/13/jeb-bush-campaign-money-machine/27241557/
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Ignite Memories posted:Citizens United is the stupidest bullshit in american history.* *Decision is not actually relevant to not declaring so you can raise PAC funds.
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"Right To Rise" is the most Florida name ever. 
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