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Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


Settings > Start + theme, turn off Show More Tiles.

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Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
At the end of days, when life itself is seconds away from extinction, AT&T will announce its US release of the 640 series.

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

Shinjobi posted:

At the end of days, when life itself is seconds away from extinction, AT&T will announce its US release of the 640 series.

Shortly after that, AT&Twill announce the impending release of the denim update and lumia camera 5 for the Lumia 830.

Microsoft really should consider selling fully unlocked Lumia phones with US bands at its stores and online. It would sell a ton but when your market share is this low, you can't really afford to turn away ardent supports clamoring to buy your products. (please please do this for the upcoming flagships lest AT&Trelease them sometime around May 2016....)

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


The latest update to the Forums reader is throwing me back to the start screen every time I try to enter a thread. :( Before that it was just the occasional intermittent crashes.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

The latest update to the Forums reader is throwing me back to the start screen every time I try to enter a thread. :( Before that it was just the occasional intermittent crashes.

I uninstalled and reinstalled. Everything works now.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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Doomsday Jesus posted:

I uninstalled and reinstalled. Everything works now.

Here's why that worked. In the new version of AFR, I added a new database column for threads (IsNotified). This was not in the database files you guys have (since they were made before I added it) and Sqlite does not, for whatever reason, create the new column upon seeing it. So instead, it threw an error causing a crash. Uninstalling and reinstalling would fix it. I also pushed a new build to the store that would get rid of and recreate that database, adding the column.

How did I figure that out?



And if I dig in deeper



Hey! There it is! I so wish I added application insights sooner. As for that other exception, it's happening OnNavgate into the bookmark page. I think it's due to launching directly onto the bookmark page with the setting I have set. It does not happpen often though, so I'm not sure why the launch variables are null, nor why that would matter at all. So I need to research it more. But it's a good start.

So for the moment, if the app is crashing, try uninstalling and reinstalling. Or wait for the next build to drop (which will basically do the same thing by recreating the database, but you won't have to log in again).

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Yep, that seems to have done it. Thanks!

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

Drastic Actions posted:

Here's why that worked. In the new version of AFR, I added a new database column for threads (IsNotified). This was not in the database files you guys have (since they were made before I added it) and Sqlite does not, for whatever reason, create the new column upon seeing it. So instead, it threw an error causing a crash. Uninstalling and reinstalling would fix it. I also pushed a new build to the store that would get rid of and recreate that database, adding the column.

How did I figure that out?



And if I dig in deeper



Hey! There it is! I so wish I added application insights sooner. As for that other exception, it's happening OnNavgate into the bookmark page. I think it's due to launching directly onto the bookmark page with the setting I have set. It does not happpen often though, so I'm not sure why the launch variables are null, nor why that would matter at all. So I need to research it more. But it's a good start.

So for the moment, if the app is crashing, try uninstalling and reinstalling. Or wait for the next build to drop (which will basically do the same thing by recreating the database, but you won't have to log in again).

Is the awful app still on the store? Mine became unusable yesterday, so I uninstalled like you said but I cannot find the app on the store at all.

*EDIT* OK its on the store now!! Don't know why it didn't show up previously :(

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
W10M build 10080 will be hitting the fast ring very soon according to Gabe Aul.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

CalvinandHobbes posted:

Shortly after that, AT&Twill announce the impending release of the denim update and lumia camera 5 for the Lumia 830.

Microsoft really should consider selling fully unlocked Lumia phones with US bands at its stores and online. It would sell a ton but when your market share is this low, you can't really afford to turn away ardent supports clamoring to buy your products. (please please do this for the upcoming flagships lest AT&Trelease them sometime around May 2016....)
If I buy the 940 unlocked I'm still stuck with whatever my carrier approves for updates, right? Hopefully Microsoft makes the mobile "stable" and "inside" update tracks work as "carrier" and "what everyone's been doing for eight years with Apple".

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
If it's anything like Android, then your updates will come straight from the device manufacturer, not the carrier.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Combat Pretzel posted:

W10M build 10080 will be hitting the fast ring very soon according to Gabe Aul.

Is W10M actually usable as a main driver yet?

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



loquacius posted:

Is W10M actually usable as a main driver yet?

I tried it for two days on my 925 and only had random issues with good old SMS, and the PC version is surprisingly good for a non release version.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Guillermus posted:

I tried it for two days on my 925 and only had random issues with good old SMS, and the PC version is surprisingly good for a non release version.

Yeah the earlier W10 builds made my SP2 basically unusable but now that the Start Screen is more functional and Edge is included it's a lot of fun to use again :)

I'll probably wait for a trip report on 10080 and switch over if it sounds good

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

Shumagorath posted:

"what everyone's been doing for eight years with Apple".

I believe carriers have to approve Apple updates too. Carriers are the primary support mechanism for the device not the OEMs. Apple only has a handful of devices that get the new OS update (usually current, and two previous years so 3 different devices usually). No carrier wants to be the only one in North America that didn't approve the iOS update on day one.

Apple got to negotiate more favorable contracts than the other OEMs but carrier approval is still occurring.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Can I reply to text messages in Windows 10 from a WP10 phone yet?

Mr Funkface
Dec 21, 2009

loquacius posted:

Is W10M actually usable as a main driver yet?

I can't speak for daily usage as it's on my cracked screen-ed 1520 without a SIM but I can confirm they've added random C-list celebrity Alan Carr's twitter profile in my People button (can we still call them hubs?) for some reason iunno. Which TV "personality" did you get!?

Fake edit: Also Bill Gates!

Mr Funkface fucked around with this message at 17:51 on May 14, 2015

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Seems like build 10080 is out now.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
The Music Preview app looks loving awesome on the phone. Too bad the Xbox Music catalog in Europe is pretty poo poo.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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Combat Pretzel posted:

The Music Preview app looks loving awesome on the phone. Too bad the Xbox Music catalog in Europe is pretty poo poo.

I would love to see it. I tried to install it, and it said "Working...", and then failed. :(

edit: I did manage to get a mouse cursor to appear though



Edit 2: I had to change my language to English and region to America for it to install the music and video preview apps. They installed fine on Windows 10 without those changes :psyduck:

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 14, 2015

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Also, I take it I need to install the preview Office? I'd like to, but the Store Beta doesn't allow me to search, results immediately into an error.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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Combat Pretzel posted:

Also, I take it I need to install the preview Office? I'd like to, but the Store Beta doesn't allow me to search, results immediately into an error.

Search failed for me on the Japanese store, but it works now with the American one. It's slow though.

EDIT: I love how the Store Beta does not have the status bar font color set yet, so you can't see the top icons. My app does :smug:.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 20:46 on May 14, 2015

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

Looking forward to hearing about 10080. The last preview had some good ideas but was just way too crude and unfinished for me to use and I rolled back after about 3 hours. Basic things like emails and text messaging were impossibly broken.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Kind of laggish, which I suppose is all the telemetry code?

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



LG trying this windows thing on Verizon: http://www.windowscentral.com/lg-lancet-now-available-verizon-6999-contract-120-outright

Pretty much a low-end phone but hey, looks decent enough and really cheap. I hope LG releases this one on Europe too.

Mr Funkface
Dec 21, 2009
I seem to have downloaded OS version 10.0.12562.84 on the preview on my 1520 - 6 columns on the start screen everything squished to the left as if there were space for another two columns. No option to do so as far as I can see.

Edit: by 6 columns I mean of the teeny tiles. Also "Search" (ie. the Cortana tile) is hosed despite being set to and also physically being in the US - weird foreign-style accents on the S, a, and A, Cortana doesn't work. Unless it's supposed to go to Bing Image of the Day?

Mr Funkface fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 14, 2015

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

Settings > Start + theme, turn off Show More Tiles.

That doesn't appears in the M8. It does on my 920, so I know exactly what you're referring to.

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


It's probably like the 1520 then, in that the extra column isn't optional because of the phone's size. :(

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

It's probably like the 1520 then, in that the extra column isn't optional because of the phone's size. :(

That's what I figured. Which is dumb, becauase the M8 is much smaller than the 1520, and is much more like the 920 and 1020. Why go the extra mile to remove a feature? It's just stupid.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Rolling back to Windows Phone 8.1 with their tool will delete all data, right?

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
<img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

Combat Pretzel posted:

Rolling back to Windows Phone 8.1 with their tool will delete all data, right?
Yes, it's a full flash of the device.

MobMentality
Aug 22, 2007

I'm Mike Doyle.
Yeah preview is a bit dog poo poo on the M8 at the moment. Understanding it's a preview.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
Thanks for the quick fix of the awful app Drastic!

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

xylo posted:

Yes, it's a full flash of the device.
In that case I can just reset the W10M install first to see if it improves things. Considering how well the desktop build runs, it's curious the phone one behaves like that.

--edit: Well, that went well. All black screens during initial setup.
--edit2: Rebooting it fixed it, now I see poo poo during setup.
--edit3: Certainly resetting it seems to make a difference already, the Phone settings menu doesn't crash anymore.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 10:24 on May 15, 2015

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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So I have more Awful Forums Reader stats I got from Azure Application Insights that this thread may find interesting. Note that I only have data from the past few days, so it's not much, but I still find it interesting :v:.

First, let's look at crashes. The whole reason I put the insights stuff in was to get quicker access to what's going on when the app shits out. And I managed to release some quick updates to fix those issues.





The majority of the crashes were related to the missing column in the SQLite database. I fixed that, so it should no longer be happening. The second and third are related bugs I could never reproduce until I got these crash results. Sometimes the navigation handler would have null values for the page state, so when you navigated from, say, the bookmarks page to a thread and back again, it could crash. I saw the stack traces before but I could never get it to do it until I could see how you guys managed to get it in that state by tracing the page flow (I don't see what you're looking at, but I know that you go from Bookmarks to Threads to X to Y and back again) so I finally fixed that. So now that should be gone.

The fourth bug happens rarely, but it's a bitch to figure out. It's a thread marshaling issue that I'll probably bring up in the .NET thread. But basically, if you launch the app, leave the app, and then launch it again from the start menu, you have about a 30% chance of it just crashing. And the stack trace/dump for it is useless, so I'm not sure why it's happening. Again, it's rare, but really annoying. I have yet to reproduce it in the Windows 10 builds though :shrug:.

The last two are emulator bugs that I need to research more, but don't affect native devices.



Here's the most popular pages in the app. Of course, Bookmarks is on top, followed by the thread page. Most of you either launch directly to bookmarks or go there first, few threads there, then go back to the main thread list and view threads there. Very few don't use bookmarks at all.

People do reply in threads, but no one has actually made a thread on their phone. Makes sense, as I would just go to a full blown computer for that, but since all that code for making it is in a view model it's not hard to expose that on the phone too. No one has selected a smilie and only one has opened the BbCode list. But that's no a surprise, given how many people have made replies.

Saclopedia does get looked at, but few actually view entries in it. Private Messages also are getting viewed, but not often. Same goes for the user profile page, although that might be because I don't tell you how to view them (tap on a users avatar).

It's good to get this data so I have a sense of what you guys are actually doing with the app. I mean, of course you're viewing threads and bookmarks, but SAclopedia is not a major thing right now, so while it's nice it's there (as a one up over the other Awful apps on different platforms :smug:) I won't focus adding new features to it.



Here's the list of devices that you guys are using with the app. This is by unique session (As in, I think, when you launch the app, use it, then close it.). The majority are on the AT&T Lumia 1020, followed by the Icon, the 635, and 920. Virtual is the emulator (so it's me testing it), then the unlocked 930, the 640 (?), and finally the One M8. The 1520 has much less active users so far then I was expecting, which is really good to know. I have a 1520 and judging by this thread, I assumed more did, so I focused on making sure that experience was really good. But since more of you are on smaller or lower end devices, I need to adjust and make sure that's good too. Also, only a handful of you own 520s and use the app. While I want to make sure it works great on such a low end device (since that usually makes it work much better on higher end ones) I don't have to worry so much about it.

EDIT:

Also something I need to mention. It seems some of you are using the app on Windows 10 devices. The pull to refresh feature and a few other XAML elements are screwed up on it, and I have no intention to fix it. That's why I'm working on a native Windows 10 release. I'm looking for a way for anyone to sideload packages to their phones, but for now if you want the newest actually supported version, you have to go to my github and compile it yourself. Sorry :(

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 14:32 on May 15, 2015

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I'll be one of the 640 users then. :) I suspect the reason people are going to the SAclopedia but not viewing pages is because the symbol is exactly what you'd expect Settings to look like. I've done it a few times myself.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I'll be one of the 640 users then. :) I suspect the reason people are going to the SAclopedia but not viewing pages is because the symbol is exactly what you'd expect Settings to look like. I've done it a few times myself.

That was the other thing I was going to say, it's meant to be a book (it is in the Windows 10 version) and I did change it at some point for the 8.1 build, but then it got reverted and I never changed it back. For now it's a (unintentional) sly way of getting you to see I actually got it working.

Smoke
Mar 12, 2005

I am NOT a red Bumblebee for god's sake!

Gun Saliva
Also a 640 user here, I've actually browsed bits of the SAClopedia recently just out of boredom so you might see some results from that. Also, out of curiosity, I've noticed the forums list isn't always sorted properly(as in: subforums don't always appear under their matching forums, or in the order listed when browsing the forums regularly) Is this a feature or a bug?

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
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Smoke posted:

Also a 640 user here, I've actually browsed bits of the SAClopedia recently just out of boredom so you might see some results from that. Also, out of curiosity, I've noticed the forums list isn't always sorted properly(as in: subforums don't always appear under their matching forums, or in the order listed when browsing the forums regularly) Is this a feature or a bug?

Both :v:. It's sorted by the forum ID, which does not correspond to how it's shown in the forums. I need to add another field to give the sorting the forums use to present them correctly to you. You're best bet at the moment is to hold down on the forum you go to the most, and favorite them so they appear at the top.

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Smoke
Mar 12, 2005

I am NOT a red Bumblebee for god's sake!

Gun Saliva
Figured it was something like that once I noticed the positions of certain forums. Oddly enough I recall seeing them sorted correctly once a few days ago after an update, which is why I was wondering about that. I can deal with it though.

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