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AegisP
Oct 5, 2008

Dreylad posted:

I hear northern Ontario is beautiful this time of year.

Yea, if you happen to be a mosquito or black fly.

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

AegisP posted:

Yea, if you happen to be a mosquito or black fly.

they are second rate bloodsuckers compared to bankers and real estate agents.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Kafka Esq. posted:

Frankly none of this reflects my experience with about one hundred small business owners over the course of two years.

I almost exclusively deal with them, and they've all smart and self motivated.

I think I depends a lot on where you're looking. Back by were I grew up in a small rural village like half of the parents that I knew ran their own consulting firm in either IT, management or the public sector with varying degrees of success. When I moved into a city at a later age I immediately started noticing how specialised stores, restaurants and night clubs would pop up to then within less then a year change owner or disappear. Worst of all was our cities pizzerias (:sweden:) where maybe 6 were stable and the other 50 were stuck in permanent limbo where they changed owners about every 6 months. I don't doubt that there are some that get past the early crunch but most don't, especially if they try to enter a product-dominant and competitive field which is what the "kitchen nightmares"-style idealists tend to do. It's much easier to carve out a niche as a consultant then as a purveyor because you cut out both location and logistics as factors.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Enjoy rising inflation because under no circumstances ever should something be done to deflate the housing market: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stephen-poloz-may-let-inflation-creep-higher-don-pittis-1.3070933

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Regarding "small businesses" like stores, restaurants and bars, is it possible that it's another consequence of our useless zoning and city planning? It's harder to establish yourself when you rely on people who are at work (and probably rushed and time-limited) or people who are making a special trip (since this will require a following of sorts) rather than just relying on people in the area noticing you. Also, a lot of the spaces I see for lease in Calgary are all really, really large. Maybe small businesses should be allowed to be physically smaller than they are. If you're trying to run a 20- or 30-seat bistro instead of a 60-seat or 100-seat restaurant, your costs are going to be lower, so it should be quicker to get from startup to positive cashflow.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

blah_blah posted:

Enjoy rising inflation because under no circumstances ever should something be done to deflate the housing market: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stephen-poloz-may-let-inflation-creep-higher-don-pittis-1.3070933

gently caress it buy a house.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

blah_blah posted:

Enjoy rising inflation because under no circumstances ever should something be done to deflate the housing market: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stephen-poloz-may-let-inflation-creep-higher-don-pittis-1.3070933

Fantastic, please reward my responsible decision of saving by making those savings devalue even faster.

:negative:

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

Jan posted:

Fantastic, please reward my responsible decision of saving by making those savings devalue even faster.

:negative:

The thought of my down payment savings being inflated away while waiting for the housing market return to sanity pisses me off to no end.

I'm sure that if they're willing to set inflation targets for 4% they'd also be willing to literally take my money with a smirk and a 'sorry, we have to protect existing home owners'.

So gently caress it. Its time to buy a house.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
The first year inflation hits 4% with prime this low I'm dumping my TFSAs for real estate and will become a slumlord.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
I've worked for the same company for 3.5 years now and they've given their employees one 2% raise in that time, so adjusted for inflation I'm being paid something like 4% less now than when I started. I can't wait for 4% inflation to be the new benchmark!!

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

EvilJoven posted:

I'm sure that if they're willing to set inflation targets for 4% they'd also be willing to literally take my money with a smirk and a 'sorry, we have to protect existing home owners'.

They would be willing to do whatever (they believe) it will take to keep the economy rolling. Central banks are not your friend, and you take their advice at your personal peril.

My gut tells me that Poloz is going to go down in history as hilariously incapable (like New Orleans FEMA level) at his job. His statements in the first half of his year have oscilliated between :derp: and :thumbsup:.

Now doubling the inflation target is a thing our central banker is idly spectulating about, despite interest rates already being zero for years. How did we get to this point?

ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 16:29 on May 14, 2015

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you
I'm really glad we're all so handsome and smart that we would never have a crash like the US. Bring on the inflation!

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

:lol: as if they're even going to get close to that target. If every government on the planet has been struggling to meet the bog-standard 2% target (including Canada) then what makes you believe that Canada can suddenly reach 4%? It's just not happening short of the central bank starting to send checks to citizens.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Inflation at this point would be a good thing. It would mean the economy is growing.


We're not going to see inflation for a long time.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Cultural Imperial posted:

Inflation at this point would be a good thing. It would mean the economy is growing.


We're not going to see inflation for a long time.

Yes, I think deflation/contraction is actually much more likely.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

I know this was posted a few pages ago, but I got to bump it again.

quote:

B.C. Premier Christy Clark opposed to taxing foreign homeowners

B.C. Premier Christy Clark is ruling out a tax increase for foreigners buying homes in Metro Vancouver, as an online petition calling for a restriction on foreign investment gathers nearly 18,000 signatures.

Clark said the government is trying to tackle the growing challenge of home ownership in Metro Vancouver, but is ruling out applying an additional tax on foreign buyers.

"That is good for first-time owners, but not for anyone who is counting on the equity in their homes to maybe get a loan or use the money to finance some other projects," Clark said.

The average two-storey detached home is now selling for more than $1.27 million in Vancouver.

A change.org petition called "Restrict Foreign Investment in Greater Vancouver's Residential Real Estate Market" has nearly 18,000 signatures.

But any sudden change could have unintended consequences for those who already have invested in a home, the premier said.


"By moving foreign owners out of the market housing prices will drop," she said.

The government has in the past offered tax incentives to first-time home buyers, and is working on new benefits, but there is no concrete plan in place, Clark said.

"We are open to some new ideas."


The government is finally acknowledging that foreign investment increases prices. Before this they would shrug their shoulders, say they had no data on who owns what, and that they were completely powerless. It'd be racist to suggest they do anything different than the status quo.

I hope the media keeps piling on because the government is actually having to start to talk about this issue more and more. I'd love to see what the BC NDP thinks about this next. They're so backward and terrible that I do not expect them to have a different position than the BC Libs here.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
It would be political suicide to diminish 'wealth' and 'equity' in anyone's portfolio.

I'm still calling this: you won't see any significant action taken to modify the housing policy or cmhc policies until after a crash.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Femtosecond posted:

The government is finally acknowledging that foreign investment increases prices. Before this they would shrug their shoulders, say they had no data on who owns what, and that they were completely powerless. It'd be racist to suggest they do anything different than the status quo.

I hope the media keeps piling on because the government is actually having to start to talk about this issue more and more. I'd love to see what the BC NDP thinks about this next. They're so backward and terrible that I do not expect them to have a different position than the BC Libs here.

Unfortunately Christie Clarke is speaking from the same position of authority on the subject as my neighbor down the street does. Their information hasn't changed about who owns what, or it's quantifiable effect.

ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 17:45 on May 14, 2015

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Also post crash everyone will be scrambling to vote in what ever party promises to basically create another massively subsidized bubble. No lessons will be learned.

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
:lol: at that BoC news.

We have this radical new monetary policy. Instead of an inflation mandate we're going to set interest rates at whatever best preserves the wealth of loving house owning boomers.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
I'm pretty happy right now that most of my net worth is in USD denominated foreign equities.

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Lexicon posted:

I'm pretty happy right now that most of my net worth is in USD denominated foreign equities.

:hfive:

Bet nobody is laughing at my "no bonds no Canada" allotments now, are ya? :smuggo:

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Franks Happy Place posted:

:hfive:

Bet nobody is laughing at my "no bonds no Canada" allotments now, are ya? :smuggo:

Nah, I still think that's extreme. I agree with you directionally, but not in magnitude. I still have 10% in Canadian equities, if only because the domestic corps are super good at fleecing the docile domestic consumer.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Bonds suck all day long, agreed.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Franks Happy Place posted:

:hfive:

Bet nobody is laughing at my "no bonds no Canada" allotments now, are ya? :smuggo:

The Canada index is still ahead of US index since the start of this year :confuoot:

You have a point on bonds though.

Lexicon posted:

Nah, I still think that's extreme. I agree with you directionally, but not in magnitude. I still have 10% in Canadian equities, if only because the domestic corps are super good at fleecing the docile domestic consumer.

So you also hold banking and telecom :smug:

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Lexicon posted:

Nah, I still think that's extreme. I agree with you directionally, but not in magnitude. I still have 10% in Canadian equities, if only because the domestic corps are super good at fleecing the docile domestic consumer.

That's over 3X the size of our GDP relative to the world economy, though. That's just inherently overweight in Canadian equities, even before you account for your personal exposure to the Canadian economy via your job etc.

I wouldn't put 10% of my portfolio in Korean or Italian stocks, either, nevermind the whole "overdue for a massive recession" argument.

jm20 posted:

The Canada index is still ahead of US index since the start of this year :confuoot:

If you factor in the currency valuations, which you should, it massively shifts in favour of the US index.

I don't want to own one single Canadian dollar more than I have to when the Bank of Canada governor is evidently a fuckwit.

Franks Happy Place fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 14, 2015

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Y'all know nothings would be billionaires if you knew what to do with bonds in 2010.

blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Franks Happy Place posted:

:hfive:

Bet nobody is laughing at my "no bonds no Canada" allotments now, are ya? :smuggo:

Even the small amounts of non-taxable muni bonds I own are up 6% y/y. It's good to be investing in America.

I'm also all USD and hold no Canadian equity except indirectly though holding SCHF (~6%) and VT (~3%). In total this means that Canadian equities are under 2% of my portfolio.

Cultural Imperial posted:

It would be political suicide to diminish 'wealth' and 'equity' in anyone's portfolio.

Yeah, that's right. Canada's home ownership rate is ~70%, homeowners are over-leveraged as a class, and they vote more and have more influence than the proportion that don't.

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy


The old adage of shipping logs to Japan and getting Yamaha pianos in return is as true as ever.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Cultural Imperial posted:

Y'all know nothings would be billionaires if you knew what to do with bonds in 2010.

Ignore them and buy an equivalent weight of Apple stock?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I've posted about this several times but I'm wondering if I've gotten through to any of you. What do you think the boc really does? Like, do any of you really know what the overnight rate is for? Because if you're all going to poo poo talk monetary policy, you should really do some reading first.

SJW NDP voters have way more in common with bit coiners and libertarians than they know.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Cultural Imperial posted:

I've posted about this several times but I'm wondering if I've gotten through to any of you. What do you think the boc really does? Like, do any of you really know what the overnight rate is for? Because if you're all going to poo poo talk monetary policy, you should really do some reading first.

Judging by recent history it is to make public announcements that either contradict their public announcement from three weeks earlier, or radically change their core mandate.

Oh to be a fly on the hallowed walls of the Canada Club, to hear what Bay Streets mover and shaker's opinions of Poloz must be.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

quote:


By Andrea Hopkins

May 14 (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper warned on Thursday that some consumers are overexposed to mortgage debt even if the housing market remains stable, a rare nod by the government to high consumer debt levels in an uneven housing market.

Reiterating his stance that Canada's housing market should be strong and stable "over the longer term", Harper said his Conservative government would not consider a tax on foreign purchases of real estate.

While Australia already restricts foreign real estate investment, Canada does not even track it. Some analysts believe a tax on foreign buyers would cool hot markets in Toronto and especially Vancouver, where a backlash against wealthy Chinese homebuyers is building.

Harper said he was not considering such a tax "at the current time" but said the government is watching the housing market closely.

"Now, all of our data indicate that - both for lenders and for borrowers at low interest rates - this debt is very manageable. But there are some people who are overexposed, so we encourage people to exercise caution in terms of their borrowing," Harper told reporters during an appearance in Windsor, Ontario.

"It remains our analysis ... that the Canadian housing sector should be strong and stable over the longer term," he added.

Canadian house prices are at a record high nationally and in Toronto and Vancouver but have cooled dramatically in some other markets, including the oil-industry capital of Calgary. Home prices in nine of Canada's 11 major cities have passed their peak, according to the Teranet-National Bank price index.

Still, national house prices have risen 37.8 percent since June 2009, when the global financial crisis stalled price gains, according to the Teranet-National Bank house price index. Vancouver prices are up 42.3 percent and Toronto prices are up 59.2 percent in the same period.

While the household debt-to-income ratio is at a record high 163.3 percent, Canada's big banks continue to roll out new mortgage products with low introductory rates, an innovation that reminds some of the U.S. subprime lending model that left many borrowers unable to cope when interest rates eventually rose.

Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce was offering on Thursday to "lower your mortgage rate for nine months" by charging an introductory rate of 1.99 percent on a four-year fixed-rate mortgage. Even without the offer, mortgage rates are near historic lows in Canada, often below 3 percent. (Additional reporting by David Ljunggren in Ottawa; Editing by Peter Galloway)


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N0Y51IH20150514?irpc=932

Strong stable economy you guys. But oh god please stop taking out helocs and spending them :(

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

ocrumsprug posted:

Judging by recent history it is to make public announcements that either contradict their public announcement from three weeks earlier, or radically change their core mandate.

Oh to be a fly on the hallowed walls of the Canada Club, to hear what Bay Streets mover and shaker's opinions of Poloz must be.

Well if you're a banker, it's probably, thanks for making us rich good buddy!

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
When a Prime Minister who normally doesnt give a poo poo if he ruins the country for generations comes out and says quit spending, you know things are bad.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
How is it that the cost of land is not included in the inflation rate?

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Jumpingmanjim posted:

How is it that the cost of land is not included in the inflation rate?

Look as this rookie thinking you include the price of things that increase in cost in your inflation index.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

ocrumsprug posted:

Look as this rookie thinking you include the price of things that increase in cost in your inflation index.

Here in Australia apparently we still count the cost of answering machines.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Franks Happy Place posted:

That's over 3X the size of our GDP relative to the world economy, though. That's just inherently overweight in Canadian equities, even before you account for your personal exposure to the Canadian economy via your job etc.

I wouldn't put 10% of my portfolio in Korean or Italian stocks, either, nevermind the whole "overdue for a massive recession" argument.

We can hash this out further in the investing thread, but the GDP argument is facile. It makes some sense to have a bit of an overexposure to your home country for reasons of purchasing power (loss of it is just as big a risk as anything else) as well as preferential after-tax treatment in our case of dividends. As for "overdue for a massive recession" - that's been true every year since 2010, and the non-investor in Canada has lost out big-time. That's just market timing by another name.

Keeping exposure reasonable is the way to go. I don't think zero is reasonable. I do agree that 10% is getting to be about as high as one sensibly ought to go, but funnily enough, that's probably in the 5th percentile of Canadian equity holders. Sooo many Canadians have their Canadian allocation around 40-50% :downs:

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Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Lexicon posted:

We can hash this out further in the investing thread, but the GDP argument is facile. It makes some sense to have a bit of an overexposure to your home country for reasons of purchasing power (loss of it is just as big a risk as anything else) as well as preferential after-tax treatment in our case of dividends. As for "overdue for a massive recession" - that's been true every year since 2010, and the non-investor in Canada has lost out big-time. That's just market timing by another name.

Keeping exposure reasonable is the way to go. I don't think zero is reasonable. I do agree that 10% is getting to be about as high as one sensibly ought to go, but funnily enough, that's probably in the 5th percentile of Canadian equity holders. Sooo many Canadians have their Canadian allocation around 40-50% :downs:

All fair points. We disagree, but definitely not in a way I think you're nuts or anything.

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