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This season felt like they had a list of boxes they needed to check and they hamfistedly wrote a story around them. The flashbacks started ok and then got really bad. They went on way longer than they needed to. They should have ended a couple episodes before the finale. Felicity was insufferable and everything seemed like it was Oliver's fault. Any character development they had as a cast was overwhelmingly negative. I felt like I was hate-watching the show this season like I did Agents of Shield last season. I hope they find a stronger direction next year.
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BrianWilly posted:Remember when everyone was angry at me earlier this year for saying that the flashbacks were bad. At least they are getting shorter. I think they had a 5 second flashback in that finale.
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May 15, 2015 13:43
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I remember when the flashbacks were at least somewhat thematically connected to that week's episode, that was cool. I think this happened maybe... twice this season.
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May 15, 2015 13:49
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BrianWilly posted:Remember when everyone was angry at me earlier this year for saying that the flashbacks were bad. Nope - Pretty much everyone hated the flashbacks this season.
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May 15, 2015 14:17
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Colton Hayes is gone from the show.... wtf. He better be in the other show. Wasting Roy is criminal
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May 15, 2015 14:18
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It was all downhill for Roy the moment he stopped making his flips.
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May 15, 2015 14:27
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The flashbacks might be better served by having 2-3 all-flashback or flashback-heavy episodes and then mostly leaving them alone. They way they were sprinkled in in tiny doses this season just disrupted the main storyline and made the flashback storyline difficult to care about.Krad posted:It was all downhill for Roy the moment he stopped making his flips. At least we know Roy will never be truly alone, as long as he has parkour by his side
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May 15, 2015 14:36
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Soothing Vapors posted:The flashbacks might be better served by having 2-3 all-flashback or flashback-heavy episodes and then mostly leaving them alone. They way they were sprinkled in in tiny doses this season just disrupted the main storyline and made the flashback storyline difficult to care about. But what if Oliver needs to learn a lesson about telling the truth? Or not to talk to strangers??
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May 15, 2015 14:42
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:But what if Oliver needs to learn a lesson about telling the truth? Or not to talk to strangers?? ...again
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May 15, 2015 14:45
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The only thing I can tell you about the flashbacks is that it had guns and asians and a kid
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May 15, 2015 14:46
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Eh, Roy continually got shafted in editing. Many of his scenes ended up left on the cutting room floor. He essentially became the Thea support group who occasionally got a scene of him flipping and shooting an Arrow. I could see why Colton would want to opt out of his contract.
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May 15, 2015 14:54
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I think they had a different plan in mind for the Hong Kong flashbacks. At the start of the season they seemed to be setting up a Waller/Argus is corrosive and bad plotline that just got dropped completely in favor of the general and his nonsensical urge to kill everyone in Hong Kong because China is bad? 
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howe_sam posted:I think they had a different plan in mind for the Hong Kong flashbacks. At the start of the season they seemed to be setting up a Waller/Argus is corrosive and bad plotline that just got dropped completely in favor of the general and his nonsensical urge to kill everyone in Hong Kong because China is bad?
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May 15, 2015 14:57
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Soothing Vapors posted:Good point. I wonder if they had to change the Waller storyline because of the movie, it did seem like she went from being the Big Bad to being a total nonfactor in the span of one episode. I remember reading something about having problems with Waller's actresses' schedule and how they couldn't use her as much as they had wanted to, so yeah, they probably did write around that, just not because of the movies.
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May 15, 2015 15:16
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Rocksicles posted:Colton Hayes is gone from the show.... wtf. He better be in the other show. He's not.
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May 15, 2015 15:21
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If Arrow can find a way to permanently swap Laurel from Arrow w/ White Canary from Legends, I'm willing to forgive season 3.
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May 15, 2015 15:54
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Dead Snoopy posted:If Arrow can find a way to permanently swap Laurel from Arrow w/ White Canary from Legends, I'm willing to forgive season 3. Laurel's fine though?
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May 15, 2015 16:02
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So next season's going to be Ollie, Diggle, Laurel, Thea and Felicity. That's going to be about as tight as the cast has been at this point, which bodes well. Part of the problem with the season, in my opinion, is that the storylines were kind of all over the place and they just had to do too much to service each character.
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May 15, 2015 16:10
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Laurel won a straight one on one fight guys Im so proud of her
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May 15, 2015 16:15
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I just realized with Oliver getting with Felicity this is the second time he's snaked a girl from somebody when they were in a relationship already. But Ray stole his company so I guest it makes them even?
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May 15, 2015 17:01
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Bad Moon posted:I just realized with Oliver getting with Felicity this is the second time he's snaked a girl from somebody when they were in a relationship already. But Ray stole his company so I guest it makes them even? Hmm I dunno, didn't Ray SAVE his company too or was that the S2 stuff?
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May 15, 2015 17:10
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Pretty decent setup to get it back to Oliver and give him something to do in the city. Plus there's that whole "Queen inc. Waynetech merger" thing
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May 15, 2015 17:35
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Bad Moon posted:But Ray stole his company so I guest it makes them even? Umm, Ollie had all but abandoned his company and it was getting hosed by any conceivable measure of such things. Ray came in and saved it, and managed it better.
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May 15, 2015 18:23
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Yeah well if some guy rescued my girlfriend from drowning and then started loving her on the reg I'd be sore at him.
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May 15, 2015 18:37
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zoux posted:Yeah well if some guy rescued my girlfriend from drowning and then started loving her on the reg I'd be sore at him. Which one is Ollie and which one is Ray?
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May 15, 2015 18:52
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With the Arrow costume in evidence lockers and the League costume having been in use for a few episodes now, I thought sure we'd see a costume change/upgrade for next season. Looks like he's back in the old getup for the Legends team pep talk, though.
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May 15, 2015 18:55
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wereboat posted:Laurel won a straight one on one fight guys I'm not sure a virus-inflicted, dying henchman counts, if that's who it was.
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May 15, 2015 18:56
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Ville Valo posted:With the Arrow costume in evidence lockers and the League costume having been in use for a few episodes now, I thought sure we'd see a costume change/upgrade for next season. Looks like he's back in the old getup for the Legends team pep talk, though. He can call up mah boi Cisco to whip him up another one.
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May 15, 2015 19:00
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Just pretend S3 never came back from the midseason finale and then things seem much better although I still liked the second half
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May 15, 2015 19:12
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Ville Valo posted:With the Arrow costume in evidence lockers and the League costume having been in use for a few episodes now, I thought sure we'd see a costume change/upgrade for next season. Looks like he's back in the old getup for the Legends team pep talk, though. I believe that was filmed separately and they've said he'll be getting some new duds.
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zoux posted:So next season's going to be Ollie, Diggle, Laurel, Thea and Felicity. That's going to be about as tight as the cast has been at this point, which bodes well. Part of the problem with the season, in my opinion, is that the storylines were kind of all over the place and they just had to do too much to service each character. Well that is the cast we have now, that doesn't mean they won't add more again. The only thing I liked about this season's flashbacks was right at the end where we saw Ollie turning into the cold killer that arrived back at the start of season one.
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Drifter posted:Umm, Ollie had all but abandoned his company and it was getting hosed by any conceivable measure of such things. Ray came in and saved it, and managed it better. I'm not gonna defend Ollie's fiscal incompetence, but Ray did buy the company just to get technology so he can fly around and play hero, and he more or less ignored the company afterwards for his personal crusade like Ollie did then signed it over to Felicity.
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May 15, 2015 19:26
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Ray also purchased a whole chain of stores just to get into Felicity's pants. Ray owns!!!
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May 15, 2015 19:27
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Bad Moon posted:I'm not gonna defend Ollie's fiscal incompetence, but Ray did buy the company just to get technology so he can fly around and play hero, and he more or less ignored the company afterwards for his personal crusade like Ollie did then signed it over to Felicity. There is specifically a scene where Oliver meets with Ray because he had a scheduled meeting. Ray is definitely still running the company, he's even taking meetings!
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Bad Moon posted:I'm not gonna defend Ollie's fiscal incompetence, but Ray did buy the company just to get technology so he can fly around and play hero, and he more or less ignored the company afterwards for his personal crusade like Ollie did then signed it over to Felicity. Ray has literally been rrunning the company, creating and implementing long term city-beneficial plans for it, and all the other stuff including meetings with people. He ALSO does his research, but not to the detriment of the company. I don't know where you're getting all that poo poo you said.
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Drifter posted:He ALSO does his research, but not to the detriment of the company. To be fair there was that one time he spent so long on his suit that the stock in the company dropped because people thought he was dead or whatever God only knows what's gonna happen to PalmerTech this time 
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Valeyard posted:To be fair there was that one time he spent so long on his suit that the stock in the company dropped because people thought he was dead or whatever PalmerTech'll probably restructure, shrink down a little bit.
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May 15, 2015 20:16
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I'm assuming flashback Oliver's travels will be taking him to Russia next season.
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May 15, 2015 20:17
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Krad posted:I'm not sure a virus-inflicted, dying henchman counts, if that's who it was. The other one beat up diggle
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wereboat posted:The other one beat up diggle I like that he slit his own throat so you didn't have to wonder "Um, did Speedy just kill a guy in plain sight?"
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