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Dum Cumpster
Sep 12, 2003

*pozes your neghole*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE3CpaEN84&t=290s
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-shows-deputy-smash-autistic-mans-skull-ground-killing-joking/

Heroic officer was forced to gain control of this violent criminal with a legal take down hold/skull split. Other heroes stood by to later corroborate his story.

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FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting
Its time for some actual bravery (from 2011).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Booourns posted:

Beating him for 20min, restraining him, and injecting him with drugs before leaving him alone certainly shouldn't be the way they respond !

EDIT: seriously, the cops beat a man to death and you're asking "Well what else could they have done!?" how loving stupid are you?

He's not stupid, unfortunately, he's a boot licker, which is worse. Dumb or ignorant people can be shown the error of their thinking, ideological zealots can't.

ElCondemn
Aug 7, 2005


Dum Cumpster posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE3CpaEN84&t=290s
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-shows-deputy-smash-autistic-mans-skull-ground-killing-joking/

Heroic officer was forced to gain control of this violent criminal with a legal take down hold/skull split. Other heroes stood by to later corroborate his story.

I could tell from the beginning of the video which cop was going to do it, you could tell from his body language that he had some serious contempt for the guy. I'm guessing it's the irrational hatred of the "other", it affects disabled people as much as it affects minorities.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
How does each version of this thread manage to be worse than the previous one?

Dazzling Addar
Mar 27, 2010

He may have a funny face, but he's THE BEST KONG

-Troika- posted:

How does each version of this thread manage to be worse than the previous one?

simple, the cops keep getting worse so the apologia becomes ever more absurd

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Dum Cumpster posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE3CpaEN84&t=290s
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-shows-deputy-smash-autistic-mans-skull-ground-killing-joking/

Heroic officer was forced to gain control of this violent criminal with a legal take down hold/skull split. Other heroes stood by to later corroborate his story.

No remorse, no emotion, nothing. Every single one of them are scum. American cops are loving scumbags and I would never trust any person that is employed as one. I like how they also cuff his lifeless body to the stretcher. Real loving heroes, not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/13/video-ohio-sheriffs-deputy-body-slammed-drunk-man-before-he-died/

There is another video from a different angle and you can clearly see the scumbag physically lift the autistic dude up into the air and slam him, head first, into the ground.

No loving remorse whatsoever just pure malicious intent.

Checkout this article for brilliant journalism.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2056879/david-dehmann-autistic-man-killed-by-ohio-cop-head-smashed-on-ground-during-take-down-hold/

quote:

Once at the jail’s booking area, Dehmann allegedly tried to hit a deputy in the face. Deputy Chase Wright was on the receiving end of Dehmann’s blows and decided to use a take down hold on the man. The deputy performed the maneuver, but in the process the autistic man’s head was smashed against the ground.

Agrajag fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 15, 2015

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
That manner of writing is so loving infuriating: "The deputy performed the maneuver, but in the process the autistic man’s head was smashed against the ground."

No, the deputy smashed the autistic man's head against the ground. It's not something that just happened, out of anyone's control. The cop smashed his head against the ground and killed him. Those are the clear facts.

ElCondemn
Aug 7, 2005



quote:

Despite the video, it’s still not completely clear what caused Dehmann’s death.

seriously?

A Lamer
Jul 2, 2006


His years of taking [medication] left him with a pre-existing skull condition that allowed it to be easily smashable. How was that brave cop merely defending himself from those dagger like fingers supposed to know?

Murderion
Oct 4, 2009

2019. New York is in ruins. The global economy is spiralling. Cyborgs rule over poisoned wastes.

The only time that's left is
FUN TIME

-Troika- posted:

How does each version of this thread manage to be worse than the previous one?

USPol sold us a bunch of shitposts on the cheap as a result of anti-terror legislation.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



Dead Reckoning posted:

How should the police respond, other than force, if a prisoner decides not to return to his cell or refuses to surrender his hands for cuffing? Just wait until he feels like complying?


If the only alternative is to beat/body-slam/taze/shoot the prisoner to death, then perhaps they should wait until he feels like complying.

Forest missing, trees found.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

Dead Reckoning posted:

How should the police respond, other than force, if a prisoner decides not to return to his cell or refuses to surrender his hands for cuffing? Just wait until he feels like complying?

Humans used to just wait outside castles for months hoping that someone they didn't like would starve and come out of their hiding place. Just a little event known as the middle ages. I somehow fail to believe this guy could have lasted a week under medieval conditions and yet somehow after becoming technologically advanced enough to send an object into orbit around the planet and to beam messages at the speed of light and a whole host of other things we just couldn't figure out any novel solutions to getting a prisoner back into his cell without killing anybody.

We try as a species but it could have taken hours maybe even days to figure out a way to keep him alive and we just don't have that kind of time anymore.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Dead Reckoning posted:

How should the police respond, other than force, if a prisoner decides not to return to his cell or refuses to surrender his hands for cuffing? Just wait until he feels like complying?

How should a person respond if someone decides to sexually assault their friend?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Dazzling Addar posted:

simple, the cops keep getting worse so the apologia becomes ever more absurd

They are not getting worse.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Vahakyla posted:

They are not getting worse.

They're perceived to be worse by a lot of people because now we have all this video of them doing stuff they've done for a long, long time.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Lemming posted:

They're perceived to be worse by a lot of people because now we have all this video of them doing stuff they've done for a long, long time.
More like they are perceived to be worse by wealthy white suburbanite consumers of internet news.

Everybody else knew they sucked already.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Lemming posted:

Where in any posts in this entire thread has anyone said or implied that police should never use force? You're trying to spin everyone else's position by exaggerating to make it seem ridiculous, because you're a boot licker, and not in this conversation in good faith. Cops should be allowed to use force when appropriate. They shouldn't be allowed to randomly assault people and/or beat them to death.
The problem is you're taking the post-facto position that, because Bornstein died, the police must have done something wrong. If the appropriateness of force can only be judged by its effect, it's impossible to have any guidelines for its use.

Also, yes, most PD use-of-force guidelines have provisions for strikes to the head and body.

Booourns posted:

Beating him for 20min, restraining him, and injecting him with drugs before leaving him alone certainly shouldn't be the way they respond !
You're saying what they did was bad without suggesting an alternative. Also, the drugs and physical striking didn't kill him, so I don't see the relevance.

Tubesock Holocaust posted:

If the only alternative is to beat/body-slam/taze/shoot the prisoner to death, then perhaps they should wait until he feels like complying.
Again, the physical strikes were not the cause of death. Your solution either requires precognition, or making jail optional. Neither is a practical solution.

reignofevil posted:

Humans used to just wait outside castles for months hoping that someone they didn't like would starve and come out of their hiding place. Just a little event known as the middle ages.
Wow, this is the first time I've seen the "appeal to siege warfare" used. I'm sure ballistae, boiling oil, and medieval systems of justice would greatly improve our jails.

Khorre
Jan 28, 2009

Dead Reckoning posted:

The problem is you're taking the post-facto position that, because Bornstein died, the police must have done something wrong. If the appropriateness of force can only be judged by its effect, it's impossible to have any guidelines for its use.

Also, yes, most PD use-of-force guidelines have provisions for strikes to the head and body.
You're saying what they did was bad without suggesting an alternative. Also, the drugs and physical striking didn't kill him, so I don't see the relevance.
Again, the physical strikes were not the cause of death. Your solution either requires precognition, or making jail optional. Neither is a practical solution.
Wow, this is the first time I've seen the "appeal to siege warfare" used. I'm sure ballistae, boiling oil, and medieval systems of justice would greatly improve our jails.

Do you think that wrestling with the police should be recognized as a symptom of an oncoming heart attack? Because it seems like a lot of these deaths in custody by heart attack are proceeded by police restraint techniques against uncooperative individuals.

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost

FRINGE posted:

A former prosecutor said the case reveals a fundamental flaw built into investigations of law enforcement officers, who work closely with the State Attorney’s Office to prosecute crimes.

“Prosecutors work with the sheriff’s office every single day,” said Elizabeth Parker, a former assistant State Attorney. “You can’t have a contentious relationship and be productive and a prosecutor.”

This point gets brought up a lot. Would it make sense at this point to have a separate prosecutor for dealing with police and other internal matters to prevent this obvious conflict of interest?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Salvor_Hardin posted:

This point gets brought up a lot. Would it make sense at this point to have a separate prosecutor for dealing with police and other internal matters to prevent this obvious conflict of interest?

The South Carolina model where you have a separate state-level police body (SLED) and a separate state level prosecutor seems to work well. SLED in SC basically covers everything that local departments can't or shouldn't, like a state level mini-fed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_State_Law_Enforcement_Division

Note that there have been several prosecutions of murdercops in South Carolina recently. I believe it's because of this model.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Khorre posted:

Do you think that wrestling with the police should be recognized as a symptom of an oncoming heart attack? Because it seems like a lot of these deaths in custody by heart attack are proceeded by police restraint techniques against uncooperative individuals.
Are we talking about this specific case, or every death in custody you sort of remember reading about on HuffPo? Either way, physical exertion, such as fighting three or more people, can trigger a heart attack in susceptible individuals, yeah.

Salvor_Hardin posted:

This point gets brought up a lot. Would it make sense at this point to have a separate prosecutor for dealing with police and other internal matters to prevent this obvious conflict of interest?

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The South Carolina model where you have a separate state-level police body (SLED) and a separate state level prosecutor seems to work well. SLED in SC basically covers everything that local departments can't or shouldn't, like a state level mini-fed.

Note that there have been several prosecutions of murdercops in South Carolina recently. I believe it's because of this model.
Pretty much every state already has a state level law enforcement agency (Georgia Bureau of Investigation, Texas Rangers, etc.) and a state Attorney General. In practical terms, very few states have the resources or caseload to have an experienced trial attorney on staff who sits around and waits for only cop cases, especially since a lot of investigations aren't going to go to trial.

To make what you're talking about work, you need to have the AG or state prosecutor who is insulated from political pressure, or an electorate that broadly supports anti corruption efforts, and a state investigative body that is resourced and empowered to conduct the sort of investigators you want. I'd note that, until recently, local PDs weren't required to request that SLED investigate officer involved deaths. It's not a question of organization, it's a question of culture.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 15, 2015

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.
Chief: Miami Cops Sent Hundreds Of Racist, Pornographic Emails

The Associated Press posted:

MIAMI (AP) – A handful of Miami Beach police officers sent hundreds of racially offensive and pornographic emails and possibly jeopardized dozens of criminal cases in which they are witnesses, the department's chief said Thursday.

An internal investigation revealed that two of the 16 officers were high-ranking within the Miami Beach Police Department and were the main instigators, Chief Daniel Oates told reporters. One has retired, and the other was fired Thursday.

Oates said the probe revealed about 230 emails demeaning to African-Americans and women or pornographic in nature. Many were depictions of crude racial jokes involving President Barack Obama or black celebrities such as golfer Tiger Woods. One shows a woman with a black eye and the caption, "Domestic violence. Because sometimes, you have to tell her more than once."

One of the racially offensive emails depicted a board game called "Black Monopoly" in which every square says "go to jail."

Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle said about 540 cases in which the officers were witnesses are being reviewed to determine if they are tainted racially. Some charges could be dropped as a result or prisoners freed from jail.

"These activities are a breach of trust. They are disgusting," Rundle said. "Our goal is to make sure our office reviews with a fine-toothed comb all of these cases."

Rundle added that criminal charges are possible if any minors are depicted in the pornographic images. One officer also emailed an autopsy photo of a man fatally shot by police in 2011, possibly in violation of Florida law.

Oates said the emails came to light in an unrelated 2013 internal affairs probe involving now-retired Maj. Angel Vasquez. Most of the emails spanned the years 2010 to mid-2012, and many of the officers involved apparently just received the offensive ones rather than forwarding them on.

It wasn't immediately clear Thursday if Vasquez had an attorney to speak for him, and he has not been charged with any crime. Oates, who took over the department last summer, said the investigation shows these types of offensive actions and attitudes are no longer tolerated.

"I can't tell you how angry we are," Oates said. "We want to send a message to our officers and our employees that this kind of behavior is over."

Other police departments have recently uncovered officers involved with offensive emails, images and videos, including earlier this year in Fort Lauderdale when four officers were fired over racial videos and texts. The cases come amid a national debate about issues of race and law enforcement, including several instances of unarmed black men killed by police.

The Miami Beach investigation came to light only weeks before the annual Urban Beach Week event, which draws thousands of largely African-American young people to the area during the Memorial Day holiday.

"We are determined to get past this," Oates said. "There's new leadership in this department. We are addressing this problem."

But don't worry guys, despite the fact that it took years to address the problem and there's no actual indication anything has changed, it's A New Day. :downs:

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

Dead Reckoning posted:

The problem is you're taking the post-facto position that, because Bornstein died, the police must have done something wrong. If the appropriateness of force can only be judged by its effect, it's impossible to have any guidelines for its use.


Umm isn't that how like it works? I mean, aren't guidelines for use of force based on the effects of what things do? Which is like why beating people should probably not considered Best Practices, because it is very likely to kill or otherwise seriously injure people?

tsa
Feb 3, 2014

Franks Happy Place posted:

Chief: Miami Cops Sent Hundreds Of Racist, Pornographic Emails


But don't worry guys, despite the fact that it took years to address the problem and there's no actual indication anything has changed, it's A New Day. :downs:

"One of the racially offensive emails depicted a board game called "Black Monopoly" in which every square says "go to jail."

Are they sure this wasn't from the Colbert report?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

tsa posted:

"One of the racially offensive emails depicted a board game called "Black Monopoly" in which every square says "go to jail."

Are they sure this wasn't from the Colbert report?

quote:

Oates said the probe revealed about 230 emails demeaning to African-Americans and women or pornographic in nature. Many were depictions of crude racial jokes involving President Barack Obama or black celebrities such as golfer Tiger Woods. One shows a woman with a black eye and the caption, "Domestic violence. Because sometimes, you have to tell her more than once."

Yeah I'm sure racist pro-woman-beaters are brave opponents of injustice working within the system to root out abuse and violence against minorities and reform our discriminatory justice system.

ElCondemn
Aug 7, 2005


Dead Reckoning posted:

The problem is you're taking the post-facto position that, because Bornstein died, the police must have done something wrong. If the appropriateness of force can only be judged by its effect, it's impossible to have any guidelines for its use.

Other countries have police forces that don't seem to have a problem keeping people alive, maybe we should adopt their guidelines?

Dead Reckoning posted:

Also, yes, most PD use-of-force guidelines have provisions for strikes to the head and body.
You're saying what they did was bad without suggesting an alternative. Also, the drugs and physical striking didn't kill him, so I don't see the relevance.

Right, you're saying he would have died on his own at the exact same time if the cops hadn't intervened?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

A police officer from the next town over south of me got a 10-hour shift without pay as punishment for sending "a text message with a racial slur."

The picture in particular that he sent?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Yeah I don't think I would text racial slurs to my boss no matter how tight we are.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
Weeaboos getting blown the gently caress out. :v:

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

A police officer from the next town over south of me got a 10-hour shift without pay as punishment for sending "a text message with a racial slur."

The picture in particular that he sent?



Are we 100% sure he didn't get the boot for being a loving Clannad fan?

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003



Why did I read the comments?? :psyduck:

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

That dude is incredibly brave.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

mastershakeman posted:

That dude is incredibly brave.

Seriously. I'm not an open-carry person, beyond when I'm hunting, but I'm glad that I could without too much of an issue if I needed to. If I were black I'd be incredibly reluctant to even go hunting.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Radish posted:

Why did I read the comments?? :psyduck:

"White people may have had this happen to them at some point, therefore racism is not real."

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=895_1431715651

Such heroes risking their lives. Here you get to see officers risking their lives in watching a black man slowly die on camera in a jail. Oh yeah did I mention they also waterboard him "wash out pepper spray".

quote:

The El Paso County Sheriff Richard Wiles issues a statement, released to KFOX14, agreeing with the autopsy.

“Mr.
Brown's death was an unfortunate tragedy. The sheriff's office has
conducted a thorough review of the facts surrounding Mr. Brown's death
and, based upon all the evidence obtained, determined that his death was
caused by a pre-existing medical condition. The specific evidence
cannot be discussed because of pending litigation.”

American police are sick animals that enjoy watching a person die in front of their eyes while naked like some sick snuff film.

Oh yeah you can also suffocate, with people sitting on top of you, which ends up compressing your lungs making it harder to breathe (take in air to your lungs) with every exhalation so you dumb fucks saying someone screaming they can't breathe are lying are seriously dumb as gently caress.

Also note nothing he did or has done even comes close to deserving a death sentence anywhere except in the sick minds of those who think those officers did nothing wrong.

Agrajag fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 15, 2015

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting
Its definitely hero-hour all around!


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/18-year-old-girl-dies-jail-after-police-accused-her-faking-medical-emergency

quote:

18-Year-Old-Girl Dies In Jail After Police Accused Her Of Faking Medical Emergency

Victoria ‘Tori’ Herr died in Lebanon County Correctional Facility last month after police hesitated to provide her with medical care for several days. Herr was addicted to heroin and began to go into withdrawal when she was taken into custody.

This is a situation that can be potentially deadly if not handled with care. Sadly, the corrections officers at the jail accused her of “faking,” and refused to get her medical care until it was too late.

...

The police department said in a statement that “all protocols were followed” and that there was no wrong-doing in the girl’s death.

They refused 'hesitated' with medical care until she was dying for a while. Fortunately as these things "just happened" around the hapless hero-officers "no wrong doing" was found! Thank the lord the officers are safe! (From repercussions.)

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Appreciate Cop Week is going great!

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pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib

Agrajag posted:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=895_1431715651

Such heroes risking their lives. Here you get to see officers risking their lives in watching a black man slowly die on camera in a jail. Oh yeah did I mention they also waterboard him "wash out pepper spray".


American police are sick animals that enjoy watching a person die in front of their eyes while naked like some sick snuff film.

Oh yeah you can also suffocate, with people sitting on top of you, which ends up compressing your lungs making it harder to breathe (take in air to your lungs) with every exhalation so you dumb fucks saying someone screaming they can't breathe are lying are seriously dumb as gently caress.

Also note nothing he did or has done even comes close to deserving a death sentence anywhere except in the sick minds of those who think those officers did nothing wrong.

Seriously, how dumb are police officers? Like, how do you not understand what a person gasping for breath and slowly dying looks like? Are all cops under a 3rd grade education level? How did we arrive at a place where our arbiters of our laws have such little brain capacity that they seem like they need help tying their shoes?

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