Early FPS Megathread: the kids need to learn about TekWar sooner or later

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bbcisdabomb: Jan 15, 2008; SHEESH

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Oh my god, guys... Going Down's 'Time Warp' floor, holy poo poo

It just keeps getting weirder from there. I thought it couldn't get any weirder once I hit map 18 or so, but the insanity has just kept going.

# ? May 15, 2015 18:46

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 01:37

Mogomra: Nov 5, 2005; simply having a wonderful time

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Oh my god, guys... Going Down's 'Time Warp' floor, holy poo poo

If you thought that was something, wait till you get to Insanity.

# ? May 15, 2015 19:52

Klaus88: Jan 23, 2011; Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Here is my initial reaction to going down.

This is your brain on Cyriak posted:

I'm glad I decided to add trailblazer to the mix, and that trailblazers grenade launcher doesn't have self damage.

# ? May 15, 2015 19:59

drrockso20: May 6, 2013; Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Max Wilco posted:

Here's a top ten that I came up with after twenty minutes or so:

DOOM

Duke Nukem 3D

Half-Life

Quake

SiN

Wolfenstein 3D

Painkiller

Descent

Call of Juarez: Gunslinger

Unreal

One of those should be swapped out for Team Fortress 2, otherwise it looks pretty good

# ? May 15, 2015 21:41

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Re: Going Down, I really can't wait, then! I've decided to keep going with Brutal Doom, since I just picked up the SSG, but I will definitely replay it with both Demonsteele and vanilla (ok, Chocolate) Doom.

It's so good :allears:

# ? May 15, 2015 21:42

Nokiaman: Mar 2, 2013

We 3DO music now. Huge thanks to Blzut3 for his assistance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbKCABBfVw

# ? May 15, 2015 21:50

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Do a video of one of Laz Rojas' mods.

# ? May 15, 2015 22:01

Karasu Tengu: Feb 16, 2011; Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Re: Going Down, I really can't wait, then! I've decided to keep going with Brutal Doom, since I just picked up the SSG, but I will definitely replay it with both Demonsteele and vanilla (ok, Chocolate) Doom.

It's so good

Going Down doesn't work with Chocolate Doom, also remember that the final boss isn't going to work with gameplay mods.

# ? May 15, 2015 22:03

Klaus88: Jan 23, 2011; Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

What level packs do play well with Doom gameplay mods then? :saddowns:

# ? May 15, 2015 22:28

Bouchacha: Feb 7, 2006

Klaus88 posted:

What level packs do play well with Doom gameplay mods then?

Well that depends on which gameplay mods, right?

# ? May 15, 2015 22:32

juggalo baby coffin: Dec 2, 2007; How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?

Klaus88 posted:

What level packs do play well with Doom gameplay mods then?

samsara seems to play well with everything

# ? May 15, 2015 22:32

WeedlordGoku69: Feb 12, 2015; by Cyrano4747

Bouchacha posted:

Well that depends on which gameplay mods, right?

Not really, actually, any level packs that mess with the weapons or enemies won't play nicely with the majority of gameplay mods.

# ? May 15, 2015 22:40

Karasu Tengu: Feb 16, 2011; Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

Klaus88 posted:

What level packs do play well with Doom gameplay mods then?

Anything that doesn't come with dehacked lumps and isn't a Zdoom set will probably play fine with most mods. This is why you read the readme and see if they added new enemies/weapons or .deh/.beh files/lumps!

Basically every Doom map will have a readme that should contain something like this in it,

code:

New levels              : 32 (full megawad)
Sounds                  : No
Music                   : Yes (mosly contributions by the team musicians)
Graphics                : Yes (screens, misc. graphics, textures, and flats)
Dehacked/BEX Patch      : Yes (level names, music, and intermission texts)
Demos                   : Yes (4 Doom v1.9f recordings)
Other                   : Yes (MAPINFO lump for some source ports)
Other files required    : No (but see "Game" below)

This would work with a gameplay mod, but most things that say Dehacked/BEX and don't specify it's just names and music will not play nice with gameplay mods.

Karasu Tengu fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 15, 2015

# ? May 15, 2015 22:49

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

Klaus88 posted:

What level packs do play well with Doom gameplay mods then?

Literally everything vanilla compatible. And for things that aren't vanilla compatible:

LORD OF BUTT posted:

Not really, actually, any level packs that mess with the weapons or enemies won't play nicely with the majority of gameplay mods.

# ? May 15, 2015 22:53

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

When in doubt ask the mod creator. They'll give you some nice recommendations.

# ? May 15, 2015 22:59

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Well, I'll play Going Down with BD, and then once I hit a wall with the final boss, I'll quit, restart in vanilla, and cheat my way back.

# ? May 15, 2015 23:10

laserghost: Feb 12, 2014; ^{trust me, I'm a cat.}

Vanilla compatible weapons mod? Stuff like The Blessed Engine could work, after removing monster behaviour patches, I guess?

Also now I really want to mix TBE with Going Down and see the resulting atrocity/comedy

# ? May 16, 2015 00:30

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Ok, so I've gone underground, and I REALLY don't know how I'm going to be able to survive 'Broken Records' (map09).

I only have rockets, and I'm running out of those :ohdear:

# ? May 16, 2015 00:39

Guillermus: Dec 28, 2009

drrockso20 posted:

One of those should be swapped out for Team Fortress 2, otherwise it looks pretty good

Mine would be (in no particular order since I like them all for different reasons):
-DOOM
-Duke Nukem 3D
-Unreal / Unreal Tournament
-Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
-Half-Life
-Quake
-Painkiller
-Tribes 2
-F.E.A.R.
-STALKER

MoHAA is a game I can't deny because It had an awesome SP back in the days but the MP was absolutely fantastic (still is in my opinion). F.E.A.R. still has one of the best shotguns and enemy AI and god, STALKER is unique. I could swap one of these three for Return to Castle Wolfenstein, include Wolfenstein the New Order, SWAT 3, RainbowSix Rogue Spear (tho this one had 3rd person view so may not be there) or my obscure love, Undying.

# ? May 16, 2015 00:42

SilentW: Apr 3, 2009; my It dept hgere is fucking clwonshoes, and as someone hwo used to do IT for 9 years it pains me to see them fbe so terriuble

laserghost posted:

Vanilla compatible weapons mod? Stuff like The Blessed Engine could work, after removing monster behaviour patches, I guess?

Also now I really want to mix TBE with Going Down and see the resulting atrocity/comedy

I now for some reason want to see someone try to get The Blessed Engine to work in Zandronum. Or, perhaps, The Sky May Be. Either of them is a trip and a half in and of itself.

e: Paging TerminusEst13, stream TBE or TSMB! I want to see what you, as an experienced modder of Doom, think of these monstrosities.

# ? May 16, 2015 00:57

dis astranagant: Dec 14, 2006

It really wouldn't make much sense to stream one without the other.

# ? May 16, 2015 01:00

Meat Beat Agent: Aug 5, 2007; felonious assault with a sproinging boner

Ask me about beating the first two episodes of Doom on UV with blessed.deh loaded

# ? May 16, 2015 01:41

Chinese Tony Danza: Oct 30, 2007; Crappy Cat Connoisseur

Am I the only one who thinks that Memento Mori and its sequel are really overrated? I got super hyped up for them because of highly recommended they came, but when I actually started playing them... they were just... really boring? I just absolutely could not get into them.

# ? May 16, 2015 01:46

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Chinese Tony Danza posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that Memento Mori and its sequel are really overrated? I got super hyped up for them because of highly recommended they came, but when I actually started playing them... they were just... really boring? I just absolutely could not get into them.

Memento Mori was a lot more impressive back in 96. It's also a lot more fun played co-op.

# ? May 16, 2015 01:49

Meat Beat Agent: Aug 5, 2007; felonious assault with a sproinging boner

I love the soundtracks to both (Mark Klem!) but I don't think the maps themselves have aged extremely well.

(I used to autoload mmmus.wad or mm2mus.wad just to reuse their music for other WADs that didn't include any)

# ? May 16, 2015 01:51

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

Chinese Tony Danza posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that Memento Mori and its sequel are really overrated? I got super hyped up for them because of highly recommended they came, but when I actually started playing them... they were just... really boring? I just absolutely could not get into them.

Back then getting maps that were just as good as the Doom II levels was a big deal. Also I legitimately like parts of MMII.

# ? May 16, 2015 01:54

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

Segmentation Fault posted:

When in doubt ask the mod creator. They'll give you some nice recommendations.

If their wad isn't compatible with Brutal Doom it doesn't hurt to ask them to change it. You sometimes have to do this multiple times to get their attention.

# ? May 16, 2015 01:56

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Chinese Tony Danza posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that Memento Mori and its sequel are really overrated? I got super hyped up for them because of highly recommended they came, but when I actually started playing them... they were just... really boring? I just absolutely could not get into them.

No, they're old and of varying quality.

# ? May 16, 2015 02:04

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

1997 is when you get Hell Revealed, along with the release of Plutonia in 1996 which is where I start really loving third-party .wads

# ? May 16, 2015 02:11

Chinese Tony Danza: Oct 30, 2007; Crappy Cat Connoisseur

I actually don't really get the appeal of Hell Revealed either. I will admit that I sort of enjoyed parts of the first one, but I also discovered fun stuff like a lift that you could fall off of that also could not be called back down again after it went up, breaking the game. Then there's the second one which is just... I mean, I get it, a lot of people are better at Doom than me, but seriously? People can actually play a PWAD like HR2 without cheating?

# ? May 16, 2015 02:36

Al Cu Ad Solte: Nov 30, 2005; Searching for
a righteous cause

Nokiaman posted:

We 3DO music now. Huge thanks to Blzut3 for his assistance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbKCABBfVw

Why do all the sounds but the ammo pickup sound like they're recorded through a speaker?

# ? May 16, 2015 02:53

NuclearPotato: Oct 27, 2011

Chinese Tony Danza posted:

I actually don't really get the appeal of Hell Revealed either. I will admit that I sort of enjoyed parts of the first one, but I also discovered fun stuff like a lift that you could fall off of that also could not be called back down again after it went up, breaking the game. Then there's the second one which is just... I mean, I get it, a lot of people are better at Doom than me, but seriously? People can actually play a PWAD like HR2 without cheating?

Most people don't really care for HR2, to be honest. (Which makes sense, since it's a sequel that has none of the creators from the first one).

Elliotw2 posted:

All of these except Hideous Destructor have a Zandronum version (with odd bugs sometimes.)

Reelism works pretty well and has a lobby area after each wave, though sometimes a player spawns "stuck"
Russian Overkill works perfectly except it'll cause your host computer to loving melt.

I knew about RO working, but didn't mention it because I'm still a little confused as to what's going on with the Zandronum port (apparently someone ripped assets and code from RO to make their own mod without crediting PillowBlaster?) Did not know about Reelism though!

# ? May 16, 2015 03:46

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Chinese Tony Danza posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that Memento Mori and its sequel are really overrated? I got super hyped up for them because of highly recommended they came, but when I actually started playing them... they were just... really boring? I just absolutely could not get into them.

I am going to be contrarian and say i like the looser, more relaxed gameplay of the best '90s wads over the more choreographed battles of modern wads. I would love to play a megawad that looks like BTSX but plays like Requiem.

# ? May 16, 2015 05:56

Nokiaman: Mar 2, 2013

Al Cu Ad Solte posted:

Why do all the sounds but the ammo pickup sound like they're recorded through a speaker?

I assume it's because it's using whatever audio system regular Wolf3D uses thus the low quality.

# ? May 16, 2015 07:19

apophenium: Apr 14, 2009; Cry 'Mayhem!' and let slip the dogs of Wardlow.

I almost quit playing Alien Vendetta cause of the map that paid homage to Hell Revealed and that was enough to tell me I would hate Hell Revealed.

I finished a play through of Valiant the other day, the new megawad by skillsaw. It was really good, and never got into the really abusive slaughter style game play. Great use of custom textures and a few new enemies, gives it a nice bit of freshness. Megawad of the year, so far. Anyone looking to play something new, something that feels new, give Valiant a try.

# ? May 16, 2015 07:41

maev: Dec 6, 2010; Economically illiterate Tory Boy Bollocks brain.
Keep away from children

apophenium posted:

I almost quit playing Alien Vendetta cause of the map that paid homage to Hell Revealed and that was enough to tell me I would hate Hell Revealed.

I finished a play through of Valiant the other day, the new megawad by skillsaw. It was really good, and never got into the really abusive slaughter style game play. Great use of custom textures and a few new enemies, gives it a nice bit of freshness. Megawad of the year, so far. Anyone looking to play something new, something that feels new, give Valiant a try.

The original hell revealed is fantastic, I adore the wads like speed of doom, scythe 2 alien vendetta and even slaughter maps like sunder. It's like the finest of doom wines you can only appreciate after a certain amount of doom wad and level design exposure. Otoh valiant is super good and anything by skill saw is great. His new age post scythe speed of doom level design is awesome and he has a great open level design with great use of new textures.

# ? May 16, 2015 09:24

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

The Gearbox/Interceptor lawsuit over Duke Nukem: Mass Destruction has been settled, supposedly, I don't have time to sift through 30 pages of legalese: http://www.scribd.com/doc/264520063/Exhibit-s-3-Apogee-Software-Ltd-and-Interceptor-Entertainment-ApS

# ? May 16, 2015 10:15