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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Pornographic Memory posted:

Just reupload pictures to imgur if you're not sure if it's kosher to hotlink them or not.
That's still hotlinking :ssh:

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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Arquinsiel posted:

That's still hotlinking :ssh:

I think the rule on hotlinking is only for preventing things like leeching bandwidth. Imgur intends for its uploaded images to be hotlinked, which is why it provides BBCode for it.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

chitoryu12 posted:

I think the rule on hotlinking is only for preventing things like leeching bandwidth. Imgur intends for its uploaded images to be hotlinked, which is why it provides BBCode for it.

The BBCode is for images, not imgur specifically.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Jobbo_Fett posted:

The BBCode is for images, not imgur specifically.

I know, I meant that Imgur provides you with a quick-copy BBcode for the image you've uploaded. They fully intend you to hotlink.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
edit: beaten, plus this is a derail anyway sorry guys!

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

V. Illych L. posted:

from Trin's posts everything they're doing is just so half-arsed, though

a country staggering into WW1

When your preparations for war are making Luigi Cadorna (a person whose response to trench warfare breaking out everywhere was to buy guidebooks to Trieste and Valona, and to renew his subscription to Cult of the Offensive magazine) look like a good guy who deserves a little sympathy, you're doing it wrong. Mind you, as the future was to show, it probably wouldn't have ended any better if they'd waited to come in until they were absolutely sure they'd picked a winner to throw in with...

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Didn't it ever occur to them to just, you know, stay out?

In much of Latin America WWI and WWII are remembered as a kind of golden age of prosperity and unrivaled growth. Turns out wars can be extremely lucrative, provided they're fought by someone else!

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

So is anyone here unusually knowledgeable about the Taiping rebellion? If not, I was thinking of making a foray into the strange world of effort posting...

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

P-Mack posted:

So is anyone here unusually knowledgeable about the Taiping rebellion? If not, I was thinking of making a foray into the strange world of effort posting...

Sadly just the basics.

Somebody go into depth about it and the War Of The Triple Alliance, both were the big messy 19th century conflicts of their region that had huge effects afterwards.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Ramming a tank with another tank is pretty hardcore, right? I just read an award order where a guy rammed another tank while his tank was on fire. :black101:

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Ensign Expendable posted:

Ramming a tank with another tank is pretty hardcore, right? I just read an award order where a guy rammed another tank while his tank was on fire. :black101:

Well, that's obvious, you want the bonus fire element type damage.

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

Ensign Expendable posted:

Ramming a tank with another tank is pretty hardcore, right? I just read an award order where a guy rammed another tank while his tank was on fire. :black101:

This account or a similar one is mentioned in Ivan's War. Soviet tank on fire rams a German tank, and then explodes. Was it during Kursk?

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Animal posted:

This account or a similar one is mentioned in Ivan's War. Soviet tank on fire rams a German tank, and then explodes. Was it during Kursk?

Nope, this was some time later, in 1944. Also the tank didn't explode, as the commander left it and continued fighting in a different tank.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Ensign Expendable posted:

Nope, this was some time later, in 1944. Also the tank didn't explode, as the commander left it and continued fighting in a different tank.

:drat:

The motherland allows no slackers eh?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

P-Mack posted:

So is anyone here unusually knowledgeable about the Taiping rebellion? If not, I was thinking of making a foray into the strange world of effort posting...

Go for it. I read a book on it in college, so I have a vague recollection of it, but an in depth post never goes amiss. Unless it's about the Bolivian-Atlantean alliance. Same time as the US civil war, but with something like 20 million dead.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Ensign Expendable posted:

Nope, this was some time later, in 1944. Also the tank didn't explode, as the commander left it and continued fighting in a different tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AND1YZSp6YI&t=1268s ?

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
The no leeching rule was from when SA actually had web traffic.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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I've been probed several times for hotlinking images, so it was a thing at one point.

Animal posted:

I just finished reading Ivan's War. It was depressing. I need to decide how to internalize it. Is it considered legit?

As far as I can tell, yes. It uses access to soviet sources as far as possible, and that does make it hella depressing :sigh:

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

P-Mack posted:

So is anyone here unusually knowledgeable about the Taiping rebellion? If not, I was thinking of making a foray into the strange world of effort posting...

Go for it; Taiping is one of those things that (like many things in Chinese history) are huge in scope of human lives affected, but barely register a blip in the west because it didn't directly relate to us. The only noteworthy thing I remember about it was that the guy instigating the rebellion thought he was the second coming of Jesus.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
At least the Italian food's good.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Antti posted:

Go for it; Taiping is one of those things that (like many things in Chinese history) are huge in scope of human lives affected, but barely register a blip in the west because it didn't directly relate to us. The only noteworthy thing I remember about it was that the guy instigating the rebellion thought he was the second coming of Jesus.

Close, he thought himself to be Christ's younger brother. The extent to which the Taiping were "truly" Christian or not is kind of a huge :can:

I'll get going once I've finished reading every available book in English on the subject (i.e. all six of them).

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


So if Beevor is a hack, what are some good recent books that look at the Eastern Front in WWII, or that refute his allegations directly?

Actually what are good books on the Eastern Front in general.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

Yvonmukluk posted:

Actually what are good books on the Eastern Front in general.

Probably anything by David Glantz? I haven't gotten around to reading anything of his yet, however.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Yvonmukluk posted:

So if Beevor is a hack, what are some good recent books that look at the Eastern Front in WWII, or that refute his allegations directly?

Actually what are good books on the Eastern Front in general.

Take people's recommendations with a grain of salt, because this thread slants pretty pro-Soviet.

T___A
Jan 18, 2014

Nothing would go right until we had a dictator, and the sooner the better.

Yvonmukluk posted:

So if Beevor is a hack, what are some good recent books that look at the Eastern Front in WWII, or that refute his allegations directly?

Actually what are good books on the Eastern Front in general.
STALINGRAD: How the Red Army Triumphed by Michael K Jones is pretty good and refutes some of Beevor's claims. Anything by Glantz is also pretty good.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003

cheerfullydrab posted:

Take people's recommendations with a grain of salt, because this thread slants pretty pro-Soviet.

I don't think this thread slants any particular way. Maybe some posters do a bit, but if you feel like there's some pushing back to be done feel free to do so.

e: but please do so in a way that is a bit more connected to reality than "the Soviets raped and pillaged Bornholm!!!!" :)

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

cheerfullydrab posted:

Take people's recommendations with a grain of salt, because this thread slants pretty pro-Soviet.

I'm sorry, what?

False Flag Rape
Aug 22, 2013

by Lowtax

my dad posted:

I'm sorry, what?

If a serbian thinks a thread is neutral it means the thread actually slants heavily pro-russia/soviet.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Yvonmukluk posted:

So if Beevor is a hack, what are some good recent books that look at the Eastern Front in WWII, or that refute his allegations directly?

Actually what are good books on the Eastern Front in general.

Glantz, _When Titans Clashed_. Erickson, _Road to Stalingrad_. Everything prior was cut off from primary sources and is either propaganda, mythmaking, whitewashing, or disinformation, German or Soviet. Ziemke tried hard not to be, but again, without direct access to the Soviet archives for a brief window in the 90s, there was only so much he could do.

Tias
May 25, 2008

Pictured: the patron saint of internet political arguments (probably)

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cheerfullydrab posted:

Take people's recommendations with a grain of salt, because this thread slants pretty pro-Soviet.

Why wouldn't people root for the allies!? No one's saying the soviet government wasn't atrocious, but it's what they had to work with.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Phanatic posted:

Glantz, _When Titans Clashed_. Erickson, _Road to Stalingrad_. Everything prior was cut off from primary sources and is either propaganda, mythmaking, whitewashing, or disinformation, German or Soviet. Ziemke tried hard not to be, but again, without direct access to the Soviet archives for a brief window in the 90s, there was only so much he could do.

Erickson's Road to Stalingrad and Road to Berlin is Loooooong and dry. Be warned. Its a lot of pages of xx division fought against xx. there were x# of casualties.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Saint Celestine posted:

Erickson's Road to Stalingrad and Road to Berlin is Loooooong and dry. Be warned. Its a lot of pages of xx division fought against xx. there were x# of casualties.

So's Glantz. Bone-dry. Definitely not the most pleasant thing to read, but it's solid.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

False Flag Rape posted:

If a serbian thinks a thread is neutral it means the thread actually slants heavily pro-russia/soviet.

You racist little poo poo.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

quote:

Take people's recommendations with a grain of salt, because this thread slants pretty pro-Soviet.

When eight of eleven German casualties were caused by the Red Army it might be sensible to say history slants pro-Soviet.

Disinterested
Jun 29, 2011

You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?

my dad posted:

You racist little poo poo.

Looks like a parachute account for someone who likes to troll with racist poo poo to me, don't rise to the bait imo.

Rodnik
Dec 20, 2003
Hi all,

I'm working on a pet project of mine, a tabletop card game/board game hybrid that focuses on the free companies of Italy circa 1400-1500. Kindof wars in Lombardy era up until the French invasion. I'm trying to find maps of Italy during this period of time, like actual maps drawn up during that era. http://www.oldmapsonline.org/ has been amazing but the only maps actually dating back that far in their databases seem to be world maps, not maps that focus on northern Italy proper. With all the military geniuses stomping around that part of the world I would think that detailed maps of mountain passes and roads would be abundant but apparently just not online?

Any help would be appreciated.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

False Flag Rape posted:

If a serbian thinks a thread is neutral it means the thread actually slants heavily pro-russia/soviet.
lol 2edgy4u

Rodnik posted:

Hi all,

I'm working on a pet project of mine, a tabletop card game/board game hybrid that focuses on the free companies of Italy circa 1400-1500. Kindof wars in Lombardy era up until the French invasion. I'm trying to find maps of Italy during this period of time, like actual maps drawn up during that era. http://www.oldmapsonline.org/ has been amazing but the only maps actually dating back that far in their databases seem to be world maps, not maps that focus on northern Italy proper. With all the military geniuses stomping around that part of the world I would think that detailed maps of mountain passes and roads would be abundant but apparently just not online?

Any help would be appreciated.
That's probably going to be difficult because I'm pretty sure they didn't think about their relationship to space in the same way that cultures that make accurate maps do. I might be pulling this out of my rear end, but from the way I've read people from these times write about movement, they think about passage from one spot to another and the relationships between those spots (or their political status) rather than all of those spots' relationships to a common, supposedly objective, framework. So, you might find something that tells you how many days' march Modena is from Milan, or a verbal description of which pass is good and which pass sucks, but I think a survey of the Po valley would be an Enlightenment thing. If that makes sense.

I bet the closest you're going to get is maps of particular cities or fortified places, or architects' plans for those fortifications. For that you want art historians--for instance, check this out and see if this book has either any nice architectural drawings for Sienese fortifications or if their bibliography has any further information.

HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 00:06 on May 18, 2015

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



I love reading about the way people think in completely different ways about supposedly commonplace things.

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

HEY GAL posted:

lol 2edgy4u

That's probably going to be difficult because I'm pretty sure they didn't think about their relationship to space in the same way that cultures that make accurate maps do. I might be pulling this out of my rear end, but from the way I've read people from these times write about movement, they think about passage from one spot to another and the relationships between those spots (or their political status) rather than all of those spots' relationships to a common, supposedly objective, framework. So, you might find something that tells you how many days' march Modena is from Milan, or a verbal description of which pass is good and which pass sucks, but I think a survey of the Po valley would be an Enlightenment thing. If that makes sense.

I bet the closest you're going to get is maps of particular cities or fortified places, or architects' plans for those fortifications. For that you want art historians--for instance, check this out and see if this book has either any nice architectural drawings for Sienese fortifications or if their bibliography has any further information.

The term you are looking for is "mental maps", i.e. how people create a picture of the world in their heads. The modern equivalent is knowing which road to take to work, without necessarily knowing or caring if that road runs south or west.

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Delving further into munitions...





:getin:

Also, I learned of the existence of a Russian AT Rifle Grenade produced in 1941 which, sadly, I don't think is identified in my manual. :(

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