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DrakePegasus posted:I've never watched Mad Men, but I've been led to believe it's entirely about lovely men cheating on their wives and then getting angry when they discover their wives are cheating on them. Even worse: a bunch of lovely and fundamentally broken people who take solace through working in advertising. Which makes sense a putz like Rubio (or more likely whichever staffer got stuck with twitter detail) totally misses the point given conservative rhetoric centers around nostalgia for an invented past created by ad companies.
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Pohl posted:I just can't buy into this. Undecided is bullshit, obviously, but I can't buy the too embarrassed line. Something else is going on, it is not embarrassment. I think they just fancy being part of the brand of voters everyone is always talking about. Or they like coming off as very deliberate and thoughtful. Or a bit of both, really.
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Mike Huckabee just posted his pledge to the American People http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?p=mikehuckabeepledge&s=6HOT quote:I, Mike Huckabee, pledge allegiance to God, the Constitution, and the citizens of the United States:
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God I love the race to the right  Embrace your own obsolescence, GOP. And I'm not sure if it's been posted here yet (didn't see it in a search of the last page), but Jeb is coming out for the traditional marriage camp, it seems. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/17/jeb-bush-takes-tougher-stance-against-same-sex-marriage/?_r=0 Which is pretty hilarious because it'll screw him over in the general election assuming he wins the nomination. Are there any pro-gay marriage GOP candidates at all? I figured we'd get a couple this time around, and that Jeb would be one of them.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Mike Huckabee just posted his pledge to the American People Looks like uninformed spiteful morons finally have their ideal candidate. Carson is going to have to seriously step up his game.
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May 18, 2015 13:19
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Graham will announce June 1st http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/05/17/lindsey-graham-to-provide-very-important-update-on-2016-plans-monday/
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Get your Grahm on That sort of answers my above question.
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Huh, they someone made him look more gay than usual. Maybe he'll reveal that Bob Schieffer has been his secret lover for thirty years and is retiring from the show to be Graham's First Dandy when he gets elected.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Mike Huckabee just posted his pledge to the American People So...gently caress the poors, Israel uber Alles, and now begins 1000 years of Christian Taliban darkness?
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Alter Ego posted:So...gently caress the poors, Israel uber Alles, and now begins 1000 years of Christian Taliban darkness? So he's running as a moderate Republican then?
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comes along bort posted:Even worse: a bunch of lovely and fundamentally broken people who take solace through working in advertising. It's doubly hilarious because the whole point of Mad Men is that everything, the people and the era, is a sham. The 50's and 60's are presented as idyllic eras before Americans lost faith in business and government, social turbulence divided the country, and the American dream felt out of reach. In reality, it sucked for most people and the woman, gays, minorities, and disadvantaged white men are just written out of the narrative. Don Draper seems like a god. He's wealthy, successful, intelligent, a war hero, came from nothing, and has a beautiful wife and kids. He is the iconic 50's and 60's success story. Just like the whole era he turns out to be a sham too. His name isn't even Don Draper, his wife and kids hate him, he has a toxic relationship with women, his job is killing him, he wasn't a war hero, and even when he thinks he is being progressive and taking a stand, he still ends up being completely unable to empathize with anyone else. He is basically surrounded by people, but completely alone. Apparently the message Rubio took away from the show is that the sham was actually great and we should go back to pretending.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's doubly hilarious because the whole point of Mad Men is that everything, the people and the era, is a sham. The 50's and 60's are presented as idyllic eras before Americans lost faith in business and government, social turbulence divided the country, and the American dream felt out of reach. In reality, it sucked for most people and the woman, gays, minorities, and disadvantaged white men are just written out of the narrative. It fits in well with the entire Republican Party, since their entire platform is based around marketing "Remember the 1950s? Let's go back to that" to people who don't know the difference.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Mike Huckabee just posted his pledge to the American People Most of this is pretty standard Republican rhetoric, but the line about term limits caught me off guard. Did I miss that being a common Republican position somehow?
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MARCO RUBIO: DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
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I agree with him somewhat on Judges at least at the SCOTUS level. The fact that we have a person that was appointed by Ronald Reagan almost twenty years ago as part of a panel made up of just nine people with a huge amount of power to overturn laws or rule them in ways that make almost new ones is crazy to me. I could see allowing some sort of two presidents term or something (so when Bush 2 was elected, anyone appointed by Reagan would be done) since the system has no real way of dealing with incompetent/currupt justices or the people getting fed up and electing governments that can off set their power other than hoping they have a heart attack or get hit by a bus. I'm sure Huckabee is really complaining about getting rid of the liberal Federal judges that are ruling pro on gay marriage but I do think the SCOTUS doesn't really have a good check on its power. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 18, 2015 |
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Personally I'm glad Christie is talking about wanting a bigger military and more interventions. It means my dad won't vote for his fatass. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/christie-call-larger-military-us-intervention-31118704 Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 15:59 on May 18, 2015 |
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King of Solomon posted:Most of this is pretty standard Republican rhetoric, but the line about term limits caught me off guard. Did I miss that being a common Republican position somehow? It's basically an attempt to more easily stack Congress with less RINO-y politicians, in their view. The older politicians have annoying perspectives on "compromise" and don't usually share the ridiculous views that many of their constituents now do. Any attempt to unseat them in the primary is (usually) beaten back thanks to the inherent incumbent advantage. Thus, they'd rather just purge the whole thing every so often so congressmen can better reflect the political attitude at the time, which fluctuates wildly anyway. This comes up with freepers quite often, but they quickly change their tone when they are told that California's term limits actually caused the state to be taken over by Democrats. Leave it to them to make a full 180 degree turn when they inadvertently help elect tl;dr i don't like my congressman but i can't beat him in the primary so let's just kick them out.
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King of Solomon posted:Most of this is pretty standard Republican rhetoric, but the line about term limits caught me off guard. Did I miss that being a common Republican position somehow? Actually, the 'FairTax' (Orwell would be so proud of/disgusted by these people) is the one that struck me. Really? Get rid of ALL taxes and only have a consumption tax? I thought this was an idea that was only embraced by the fringe of the Republican party. I figured it wasn't possible, but I guess I'm still not cynical enough when it comes to American politics...
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Pohl posted:I just can't buy into this. Undecided is bullshit, obviously, but I can't buy the too embarrassed line. Something else is going on, it is not embarrassment. Undecideds, like most of the population, are underinformed, undereducated and believe they are more able than they are to think about, well, anything. They are a mix of people. Some are truly undecided voters who basically make decisions the way an animal might (seemingly randomly or based on impulse/instinct/fear) as perceived by an intelligent person. Some are voters who are just too lazy to give a poo poo but also aren't brainwashed enough by either major party to support them no matter what. Others are mendacious types who think they're engaging in deeply clever strategery by loving with pollsters. Still others are people who fancy themselves as being high-minded and thoughtful in spite of the evidence of their own biases and voting records and who earnestly, though falsely, believe they make their decision deliberately after consideration at late stages of a campaign. And there are a variety of others. So it is more complicated than, "I'm undecided." Cognac McCarthy posted:God I love the race to the right See, the "race to the right" means that even if the GOP lose at the ballot box their ideology wins more than not. That is why we have a conservative party (democrats) where a person who'd be in FDR's ideological circle is considered a fringe far-lefty and a batshit-insanse party of nationalists, anti-tax, corporate welfare loving racists and assorted other bigots (republicans).
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King of Solomon posted:Most of this is pretty standard Republican rhetoric, but the line about term limits caught me off guard. Did I miss that being a common Republican position somehow? Only 90s kids will remember this policy plank!
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Feather posted:Undecideds, like most of the population, are underinformed, undereducated and believe they are more able than they are to think about, well, anything. They are a mix of people. Some are truly undecided voters who basically make decisions the way an animal might (seemingly randomly or based on impulse/instinct/fear) as perceived by an intelligent person. Some are voters who are just too lazy to give a poo poo but also aren't brainwashed enough by either major party to support them no matter what. Others are mendacious types who think they're engaging in deeply clever strategery by loving with pollsters. Still others are people who fancy themselves as being high-minded and thoughtful in spite of the evidence of their own biases and voting records and who earnestly, though falsely, believe they make their decision deliberately after consideration at late stages of a campaign. And there are a variety of others. So it is more complicated than, "I'm undecided." FDR's ideological circle was far more racist than Sanders, though.
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Jindal has announced....quote:Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal will announce Monday that he is taking a major step toward seeking the Republican presidential nomination by establishing a committee to formally explore a White House bid, CNN has learned. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/politics/bobby-jindal-forms-exploratory-committee/index.html
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Isn't it great if you're a college student in Louisiana to know, the governor has been loving with you, and your school so he can run a failed campaign for president?
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Realistically, how many of these guys announcing will drop off before Iowa? There's just too many people running on the GOP side. It will probably end up being 12-15 "qualified" candidates. That's too much competition for a relevant market share of the electorate.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Realistically, how many of these guys announcing will drop off before Iowa? There's just too many people running on the GOP side. It will probably end up being 12-15 "qualified" candidates. That's too much competition for a relevant market share of the electorate. I think the RNC said it was going to have 8 candidates featured in the primary debates? I can't find where I read that, though. So I would imagine that many of them, after having gotten enough campaign money, will drop out entirely before Iowa.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Jindal has announced.... This is the political equivalent of a five-second preview for a 30-second teaser for a trailer of a movie, then?
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Realistically, how many of these guys announcing will drop off before Iowa? There's just too many people running on the GOP side. It will probably end up being 12-15 "qualified" candidates. That's too much competition for a relevant market share of the electorate. The RNC wants 8-12 candidates for the early debates and 3-4 after Iowa.
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Aliquid posted:3-4 after Iowa. Well that's not going to happen. Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, and probably Huckabee will all still be there after Iowa. Maybe more than that. What is the source for these numbers?
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Well that's not going to happen. Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, and probably Huckabee will all still be there after Iowa. Maybe more than that. What is the source for these numbers? The candidates may still be in, buts that's the target for who the RNC will let in to events like debates. It's being pretty hotly contested, Carson started raising hell on Friday about the moves to block him and Fiorina from the August debate
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Fried Chicken posted:The candidates may still be in, buts that's the target for who the RNC will let in to events like debates. It's being pretty hotly contested, Carson started raising hell on Friday about the moves to block him and Fiorina from the August debate Have they already served their purpose to the RNC?
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Embrace your own obsolescence, GOP. This is not a repost from 2008 or the government shutdown.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:This is not a repost from 2008 or the government shutdown. What's your take on the government shutdown?
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Fried Chicken posted:The candidates may still be in, buts that's the target for who the RNC will let in to events like debates. It's being pretty hotly contested, Carson started raising hell on Friday about the moves to block him and Fiorina from the August debate It would be pretty bad optics to exclude the only female and the only black candidate from the first debate.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Well that's not going to happen. Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, and probably Huckabee will all still be there after Iowa. Maybe more than that. What is the source for these numbers? I'd love it if they made up some rule like only the candidates who place in the top 4 or 5 in Iowa will be invited to the next debate(s) and there's some kind of upset that edges out some of the real contenders for some of the jokes.
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