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Yes which is why Durkon is not currently suffering from acute vampiri-oh.
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Colonel Cool posted:I am so glad that updates finally seem to be getting back on track. You had to say it. You had to loving say it.
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Colonel Cool posted:I am so glad that updates finally seem to be getting back on track. Welp. See you guys in a year when the next strip is done.
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May 18, 2015 16:46
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I love both new characters already. Too bad it sounds like they're going to have relatively minor roles. And annoying that Roy didn't ever actually get around to mentioning they needed a cure. Thank goodness Belkar will be able to salvage this situation with dumplings...
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May 18, 2015 17:32
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Pope Guilty posted:Cooks are a small percentage of human beings and I'm sick of having cooking shoved in my face all the time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
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May 18, 2015 17:34
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Zoe posted:I love both new characters already. I think the idea is to get in the cleric's good graces before asking for favors.
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May 18, 2015 17:48
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Misandu posted:I think the idea is to get in the cleric's good graces before asking for favors. I dunno, 'help my friend not be an undead abomination anymore' is probably one of those things any non-Evil cleric would be willing to do, I would think, assuming they were high enough level for the spell.
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Something that hasn't come up so far is how only the good guys in OotS (for a given definition of good, since I'm including Belkar) are portrayed as non-hetero or tolerant of it, or in fact almost entirely shown in any sexual context. With how often it comes up, I can't help but wonder about the villains' attitude towards non-hetero varieties of sexuality. So far all we've seen is that Xykon objectified women when he was alive (and was called out for it by Redcloak, possibly subtly linking him to the good side; also consider that Xykon, being a necromancer, is all about literally objectifying women and men and animals and anything he can get his hands on), and that Redcloak was too busy bothering with all that stuff but was, in a short glimpse in Start of Darkness, hinted at to be straight (technically not ruling out bi though). The only villainous character I can think of with a defined sexuality was Tsukiko. Would Rich write a gay villain? (Probably not, because there's precedent for gay villains whose homosexuality is the primary threatening element, and we certainly don't need any more of that; but maybe a villain who simply is gay? Loving husband who just happens to also do evil acts; or would such a character necessarily need to be redeemed after he's been shown to have a spark of goodness in him?) Or would he write a homophobe who's otherwise a decent person and helps the party out of sheer altruism (and again, would such a character still be shown to get his comeuppance)? What it boils down to is, I wonder if there's any clear link in Rich's conception of the OotS universe that says "good guys are fine with sexual variety, bad guys aren't" and if maybe in a world of grey morality (again: Belkar) that could be shown to be the one single line that separates two sides. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I dunno, I think the idea of a ditzy scatterbrained elven cleric is inherently funny.
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^^^ Then Sabine is the good-est guy of all if any of the above is true.
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I think Rich mostly thinks of the characters' sexuality as largely incidental. It's just harder to show it for most of the bad guys since the opportunities aren't there for that sort of thing. e: Because their screentime is super limited now, we really only see them when the plot is moving forward. Shugojin fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 18, 2015 |
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That just brings up the question if a creature that shapeshifts by nature can even have a concept of "natural" and "unnatural" sexual acts. A succubus, to boot - her entire existence is based around getting people of all varieties to get it on with her, presumably by offering them whatever it takes. I figure for someone like Sabine there's not even a question of whether one set of behaviour is more or less moral than another. Although yes it does make her a villanous character who's presented in a sexual context (by necessity of what she is, but it still counts) and who is presumably totally fine with all the sex things under the sun (again, by necessity). I'm suddenly looking forward to her eventual reappearance in light of Rich's new attitude. Also, probably disingenous to define characters as good or evil (not the alignments) until the comic is well and truly over, but then we can't leave all discussion about it to our grandchildren.
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Nah, succubi have traditionally targeted men. Their male counterparts being incubi. You could probably extend them to targeting people who would be sexually attracted to them, but a succubus isn't likely to go after a straight female.
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Wrecan was a good dude and it's great to see a cameo of him. Shame he wasn't a lizardman though.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Something that hasn't come up so far is how only the good guys in OotS (for a given definition of good, since I'm including Belkar) are portrayed as non-hetero or tolerant of it, or in fact almost entirely shown in any sexual context. Nale and Sabine (including shapeshifting shenanigans)? Tarquin's marriage-a-pult 3000?
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Tsukiko was another villain with a defined sexuality. Though I don't think anyone's going to step up to the plate for necrophiles, so maybe that doesn't count.
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Tenebrais posted:Tsukiko was another villain with a defined sexuality. Though I don't think anyone's going to step up to the plate for necrophiles, so maybe that doesn't count. There's a difference between cadaverophilia and necrophilia, you morality cop! Fresh cadavers obviously aren't the same kind of transgression as a nice cold lich! 
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May 18, 2015 19:37
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The half elf the Linear Guild recruited seemed pretty sexually interested in Roy's sister. Therkla and the bandit sorceress both had an interest in Elan.
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I enjoyed this update and I'm not sure why. I think I might agree with the idea that it feels "old school"-ish before a lot of heavy gears got turning, this meeting feels a lot like an actual introduction from a game of D&D. I think it's going to be hard for vamp-Durkon to get around this cleric telling Roy that a vampire is not the same as the original person. If she's important enough to be part of this secret cleric mission, which seems to involve a lot of high priests, vampire domination would be hard to pull off. Maybe it'd be easier to dominate Roy and have him ignore the cleric's warnings? How does vampire domination work, again? Do victims realize they were mind-controlled?
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Dolash posted:I enjoyed this update and I'm not sure why. I think I might agree with the idea that it feels "old school"-ish before a lot of heavy gears got turning, this meeting feels a lot like an actual introduction from a game of D&D. Victims of vampiric domination are aware of everything that they're doing and that happens to them while they're under the vampire's control.
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That's what I have a bit of a problem with too, vampires have no limit to their dominate ability and the effect lasts for weeks before it has to be renewed. He should've permanently enslaved the entire party long ago. Who cares what he'll remember later after Hel's plans have succeeded.
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peak debt posted:That's what I have a bit of a problem with too, vampires have no limit to their dominate ability and the effect lasts for weeks before it has to be renewed. He should've permanently enslaved the entire party long ago. Who cares what he'll remember later after Hel's plans have succeeded. He can do it once per day and the entire party, with the exception of Belkar with his lovely wisdom, should have a better than 50% chance of resisting because it has a set DC. Roy and V in particular since they have high wisdom/high natural will save growth and they're easily the most dangerous members of the party to him. And if he fucks up once, they'll know. Also every time he commands them to do something against their nature, like say helping Hel, they get another saving throw attempt with a +2 bonus. He can effectively control no HD scrubs basically forever, but the party is dicey at best. Way safer to play along and dominate any inconvenient NPCs they run into.
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Nope, no limit: He can literally try 17000 times a day. And while there is the problem that it's hard to force dominated people to do something against their nature, he is also limited by that restriction in the current situation. And he can still use trickery even after they're dominated to make them believe they're about to do something reasonable. peak debt fucked around with this message at 21:04 on May 18, 2015 |
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May 18, 2015 21:01
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Yeah he can try forever but he's bound to run up against failure before long since he's dealing with a decently levelled party. e: ^^ Yeah but hell he's using trickery now and it's working with fewer hassles all told.
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peak debt posted:Nope, no limit: Again though, he needs to look directly into their eyes, so he can't just do it while they're asleep, and if he fails they'll know he's trying to dominate them. Against a high level party that's incredibly risky. Remember, even Elan's got a 45% chance to resist it outright if we assume he has a negative wisdom modifier and no items to boost his will save. Those aren't great odds. Zore fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 18, 2015 |
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I remember back in the day having a big argument with my friends about the "if it's something you wouldn't do you get to re-test" rule for a mind-control spell when one of the players argued that their character wouldn't want to do anything under magical suggestion so they should get to re-test on everything. Oh, for the days of junior high D&D.
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Pope Guilty posted:Cooks are a small percentage of human beings and I'm sick of having cooking shoved missed a trick bud
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Zore posted:Again though, he needs to look directly into their eyes, so he can't just do it while they're asleep, and if he fails they'll know he's trying to dominate them. Actually, I think you've got your math wrong. If you double check it, taking into account wisdom modifiers, saving throw boosters, feats, spells, the number of actions they have to try to dominate per day and so on you'll find the percentage chance is much closer to whatever the plot dictates. thespaceinvader posted:Wrecan was a good dude and it's great to see a cameo of him. Shame he wasn't a lizardman though. The funniest thing about the strip for me was pausing and trying to recall if I hated the guy or not.
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sebmojo posted:missed a trick bud gently caress whoops
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my dad posted:Nale and Sabine (including shapeshifting shenanigans)? Tarquin's marriage-a-pult 3000? Tenebrais posted:Tsukiko was another villain with a defined sexuality. Though I don't think anyone's going to step up to the plate for necrophiles, so maybe that doesn't count. Potsticker posted:The half elf the Linear Guild recruited seemed pretty sexually interested in Roy's sister. Therkla and the bandit sorceress both had an interest in Elan. Elan during the bandit arc was a very different character. Naive, innocent and childlike, and as such an adult woman's sexual interest represented a huge threat to him. Therkla, yep - but she also had the whole semi-villain/redemption thing going on in the end. I don't think character sexuality is entirely incidental to Rich. I'd expect a more or less equal distribution on the sides of good and evil if that were the case, but so far we've got homosexuals, sexuality-tolerant people and stable relationships mostly on the good side, while evil gets heterosexuals (often threatening), Tarquin (who is implied to have his wives disposed of when he gets bored) and a necrophile. Hey. If Hilgya dows show up again, this might get interesting.
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And we also have several gay side and incidental characters.
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On the other hand, of course, it stands entirely to reason that good (by the definition of alignments this time) people would tend towards tolerance and mutual respect in relationships, and evil ones towards threats, power displays and intolerance. Though I think my whole train of thoughts did start with "hey, is anyone in OotS actually a homophobe" and possibly left the rails here and there.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Though I think my whole train of thoughts did start with "hey, is anyone in OotS actually a homophobe" and possibly left the rails here and there. Does this count as Nale being hypocritically homophobic?
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Interrupting sexuality chat for a moment to say I love the sign on the inn. "Big Folks Inn - Human-sized rooms at normal-sized prices!"
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W.T. Fits posted:Interrupting sexuality chat for a moment to say I love the sign on the inn. The sign has hats on as well 
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Doing the housekeeping at such a hotel must be quite annoying, how would you even reach the shelves. I guess they could hire sorcerers with Enlarge Person.
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peak debt posted:Doing the housekeeping at such a hotel must be quite annoying, how would you even reach the shelves. Most gnomes can use Prestidigitation, so if anything they'd have an easier time cleaning than humans.
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peak debt posted:Doing the housekeeping at such a hotel must be quite annoying, how would you even reach the shelves. It could be like my very short aunt's house, where everything was normal sized, just... lower. Her counters came up to my thighs.
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Gnome owner hires human staff. Or just a few humans to man-handle the furniture and other human-sized parts of the hotel while gnomes still run the reception desk, the kitchen and so on. Or because it's steampunk gnomes they use wildly expensive mechanical golems to dust the tops of shelves.
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