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Social norms are followed much more than laws are.
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Feb 18, 2015 05:09
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hadji murad posted:Social norms are followed much more than laws are. In class today, a Japanese student noticed gum stuck under her desk and freaked out a bit. Every non-Japanese person in the class was like "of course there's gum under the desk, there's gum under every desk of every school everywhere". I'm talking students from China, Taiwan, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, and Korea here. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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Feb 18, 2015 05:12
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I sometimes get the feeling that Japan could basically do away with nearly all its laws and nothing would change much.
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Feb 18, 2015 06:15
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ErIog posted:Shibuya revealed a plan to start giving gay partnership licenses to be used as identification for the purposes of housing, hospital visitation, and next of kin. The licenses will be not be legally binding, though, and the local government is hoping for people to voluntarily recognize them as legitimate. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/02/16/national/second-tokyo-ward-speaks-of-action-on-same-sex-unions/ ReidRansom posted:I sometimes get the feeling that Japan could basically do away with nearly all its laws and nothing would change much. That said, I can come up with 2-3 other theories why they don't seem to follow rule of law. One being, as already mentioned, that its all too mendokusai.
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Feb 18, 2015 07:04
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I think you're probably on to something with that line of reasoning, or at least not too far off the truth. There's a fair deal of social obligation/shaming/duty that just isn't present in the West. And as ReidRansom says you could possibly do away with most of the laws and not a lot would change for 95% of people, which is both a good and bad thing.
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Feb 18, 2015 14:58
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Those social norms go out the window pretty fast if the person is anonymous in some situations. A lot of the rear end in a top hat behaviour that occurs on trains, just simple rudeness, would never occur if that person was around an equal they knew. Kids learn it from a very young age when to obey the norms and when to not.
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Feb 19, 2015 05:34
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hadji murad posted:Those social norms go out the window pretty fast if the person is anonymous in some situations. A lot of the rear end in a top hat behaviour that occurs on trains, just simple rudeness, would never occur if that person was around an equal they knew. Being an rear end in a top hat to certain kinds of people is not a violation of social norms. That IS a social norm.
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Feb 19, 2015 07:29
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hadji murad posted:Those social norms go out the window pretty fast if the person is anonymous in some situations. A lot of the rear end in a top hat behaviour that occurs on trains, just simple rudeness, would never occur if that person was around an equal they knew. You're right I had totally forgotten about this aspect of things. It's especially bad with the prevalence of wearing those masks in the winter months since people are even less identifiable.
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Feb 19, 2015 15:28
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I recently moved to the second train car instead of the first one because I couldn't take the rudeness anymore. It was a constant struggle to get a seat even if I was at the start of the line. No way any of those people would do that with a colleague around; the anonymity was effecting the norm, in my opinion. It's amazing what a difference that simple move has made on my commute.
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Feb 20, 2015 07:06
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What's the point of being polite if nobody you know can see you doing it?
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Feb 20, 2015 07:52
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I think the classic example of that is the one about how if there are two Japanese people at a red light crosswalk (with no cars around), they'll always wait for it to turn green, but if there's only one they'll just cross. I've heard it from a handful of Japanese folks, anyway.
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Feb 20, 2015 20:51
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Can someone give an example of rude behavior on trains? I commuted on trains in Hokuriku for about 1.5 years on a semi-regular basis and nothing stands out in my mind except a drunk ojiisan at 10 a.m. kinda being dismissive to a young female attendant once.
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Feb 21, 2015 05:35
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I go through Ueno but mostly it's pushing and shoving while trying to get ahead. Often seen a guy trying to earn himself more room by sitting poorly, Small things that sound trivial but they do add up when people are doing it every day. The most annoying thing for me is that people know exactly what they are doing and wouldn't do it in other situations. Protocol 5 posted:What's the point of being polite if nobody you know can see you doing it? This!
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Feb 21, 2015 06:41
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SousaphoneColossus posted:Can someone give an example of rude behavior on trains? I commuted on trains in Hokuriku for about 1.5 years on a semi-regular basis and nothing stands out in my mind except a drunk ojiisan at 10 a.m. kinda being dismissive to a young female attendant once. Stood between train cars with a blind man (and a JR attendant who had taken it upon herself to look after him) for 25 minutes on an express train. A woman had her LV bag on the seat next to her.
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Feb 21, 2015 11:12
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SousaphoneColossus posted:Can someone give an example of rude behavior on trains? I commuted on trains in Hokuriku for about 1.5 years on a semi-regular basis and nothing stands out in my mind except a drunk ojiisan at 10 a.m. kinda being dismissive to a young female attendant once. Talking on your phone will probably get you some death stares.
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Feb 21, 2015 12:42
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Stood between train cars with a blind man (and a JR attendant who had taken it upon herself to look after him) for 25 minutes on an express train. A woman had her LV bag on the seat next to her. But that's when it's appropriate and needed to use our superpower. Madd0g11 fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Feb 21, 2015 |
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Feb 21, 2015 13:20
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Stood between train cars with a blind man (and a JR attendant who had taken it upon herself to look after him) for 25 minutes on an express train. A woman had her LV bag on the seat next to her. So ask her to move the bag?
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Feb 22, 2015 09:09
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SousaphoneColossus posted:Can someone give an example of rude behavior on trains? I've seen people putting on their makeup on the train which according to a bunch of those 'please do it at home' signs is rude for some reason.
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Feb 22, 2015 09:58
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dazjw posted:I've seen people putting on their makeup on the train which according to a bunch of those 'please do it at home' signs is rude for some reason. Because you're offending the people who woke up early to do their makeup what makes you so much better that you get to sleep in huh?!?!? I think.
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Feb 24, 2015 06:02
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A few weeks ago some foreigner got frustrated on the Yamanote and starting screaming at everyone about not making space while people try to exit the train. Was quite a spectacle, just him screaming swear words in English to everyone, went on for quite awhile too.
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Feb 24, 2015 06:21
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Original_Z posted:A few weeks ago some foreigner got frustrated on the Yamanote and starting screaming at everyone about not making space while people try to exit the train. Was quite a spectacle, just him screaming swear words in English to everyone, went on for quite awhile too. There needs to be more of this imo.
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Feb 24, 2015 07:56
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Reverend Cheddar posted:Because you're offending the people who woke up early to do their makeup what makes you so much better that you get to sleep in huh?!?!? Also, it reminds men that Japanese women aren't born naturally beautiful and entirely unneeding of makeup, which is a terrible and unpleasant thought.
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Feb 24, 2015 13:10
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After living in China and Korea the idea of Japanese people being rude in public is hilarious. I know it happens anywhere but it's still funny.
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Feb 24, 2015 14:16
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"Dam you Japan and your butt warming seats! It's not like they are good or anything!"
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Feb 26, 2015 13:20
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Kenishi posted:"Dam you Japan and your butt warming seats! It's not like they are good or anything!" Maybe Japanese self-warming toilet seats are a little on the extravagant side, but I'll certainly take them over the literal hole in the floor that was the toilet in my apartment when I lived in Beijing.
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Feb 26, 2015 17:20
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Has anyone ever turned up the bidet feature to max and felt nothing, only to realise that the reason for this is that you are sitting far forward on the seat and that there is a giant jet of water shooting up, unseen, behind your back? I have.
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Feb 26, 2015 17:23
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Also doubles as a footwarmer for your out-of-towners.
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Feb 26, 2015 17:23
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Kenishi posted:"Dam you Japan and your butt warming seats! It's not like they are good or anything!"
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Feb 26, 2015 17:57
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Mozi posted:Also doubles as a footwarmer for your out-of-towners. This is the joke I'm going to use when my relatives ask about crazy Japanese toilet seats. "It's really nice for warming your feet in the winter."
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Feb 27, 2015 03:28
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Not really sure if this is relevant but we had Tatsuya Mori and a panel of academics in Japanese Religion do a round-table discussion at my University about the Aum Shinrikyo affair and Mori's documentaries. NHK were filming for a segment on the national news at 9PM this Monday (23rd march) night in Japan, and I got the chance to answer some questions from Mori and generally get involved with the whole event, so I'm hoping I'll make the cut! It was really cool to have Mori here, and hear him talking about his first-hand experiences with Aum. There was a lot of little things he said that I've never heard of before, and aren't spoken about in the media. One part that stood out was when he mentioned how he was sitting directly behind Asahara during the trial, how Asahara was hunched over and constantly scratching himself all over like a lunatic. Also, apparently his trousers kept being changed during the trials because he was completely incontinent. There was a lot of discussion about the interaction between 'New Religions' in Japan and politics, and I was surprised that so many cabinet ministers were associated with these religions.
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Mar 19, 2015 20:56
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NHK is now reporting that the votes against the Osaka Metropolis plan are confirmed to have the majority. Hashimoto had said that he would quit politics if this happened, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
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May 17, 2015 14:42
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mystes posted:NHK is now reporting that the votes against the Osaka Metropolis plan are confirmed to have the majority. Hashimoto had said that he would quit politics if this happened, so it will be interesting to see what happens.  All we need know is for Ishihara to kick the bucket and we'd be having the best week ever.
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May 17, 2015 15:29
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mystes posted:NHK is now reporting that the votes against the Osaka Metropolis plan are confirmed to have the majority. Hashimoto had said that he would quit politics if this happened, so it will be interesting to see what happens. His term as mayor ends in December, so if he sticks to his guns he'll flee back to TV land then.
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May 18, 2015 06:08
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Ultimately, as usual in Japanese politics, the olds sunk the measure. The margin of defeat was farily narrow (just over 10,000 votes) but the "for" rate was highest in young people and gradually became more opposed per 10-year gap, with a sharp turn at the high end of the curve. The over-70s opposed by over 60% and singlehandedly were the difference maker. This is going to raise a shitstorm on the national level, though, because aside from Ishin no To (Hashimoto's party) every single local political chapter opposed the measure, up to and including the LDP and the communists banding together, to the ire of Abe and his central government. e: found a chart to back up my statement, every age group but the over-70s was in favor 
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May 18, 2015 15:22
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Interesting, thanks for that. There's also quite a pronounced difference between men and women - many more younger women were opposed to the merger. I wonder why?
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May 19, 2015 01:48
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Could be dissatisfaction with Hashimoto.
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May 19, 2015 02:31
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What with Hashimoto's ultimatum about resigning I can't see how this wasn't a referendum on Hashimoto himself.
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May 19, 2015 02:40
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Stringent posted:What with Hashimoto's ultimatum about resigning I can't see how this wasn't a referendum on Hashimoto himself.
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May 19, 2015 03:31
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It seems like it might be a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.  Hashimoto has been barely keeping above water in approval polls since 2013. The drop in approval between 2012 and 2013 is difficult to explain in detail due to a lack of aggregate polling data(that I could find), but it seems like it's most clearly linked to Hashimoto's statements concerning comfort women. The issue with attributing it entirely to that is that Hashimoto also launched his full court press with the Japan Restoration Party and his merger with Ishihara in that period. So some of it could also be explained by people's ambivalence toward his newly outlined political direction. There is an interesting pattern I found, though. When the issue first started being discussed heavily, the support for reforming Article 9 was somewhat positive. However, around 1/4 to 1/5th of poll respondents from 2013 stated they had no opinion on the issue. Since 2013, changing Article 9 is an issue that the LDP has taken up with gusto under Abe's leadership, and it's been debated heavily on a national level. Voters like it less as they learn more about it, and the issue currently stands at 55% against which is up 4% compared to a month ago. Hashimoto's Osaka Metropolis plan has followed a similar trajectory. He was able to sell it until the point where he had to start explaining what he actually meant by it, and as voters found out more about it they liked it less and less. The lack of support from the major national parties also probably harmed his effort. So at this point it looks like Hashimoto's jaunt into Japanese politics is at an end, and he'll probably go back to TV. Expect to see him as a frequent guest on shows like Sunday Japon. Moon-rune links for those interested: Support for Article 9 Reform in 2015: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/20150511-OYT1T50021.html Handful of Article 9 Reform polls from 2013: http://doumin.exblog.jp/18693277/
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May 19, 2015 03:35
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What is a good book to read about the Japanese boom and bust of the 80s?
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Jun 21, 2015 09:47
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