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NikkolasKing posted:Are there any FF2 hacks out there? I'm with you on this, I want to like FF2 but the nes version is broken beyond belief and the modernized versions are way too easy
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Maybe I'm the weird one, then, because A) I found blasting my way through the World of Darkness with Sage/Sage/Ninja/Ninja was fun and B) I don't really see a difference between "Black Mage -> Better Black Mage" and "Better Black Mage -> ULTIMATE SPELLCASTER". 
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Kyrosiris posted:Maybe I'm the weird one, then, because A) I found blasting my way through the World of Darkness with Sage/Sage/Ninja/Ninja was fun and B) I don't really see a difference between "Black Mage -> Better Black Mage" and "Better Black Mage -> ULTIMATE SPELLCASTER". It's fine as the first attempt at a job system in FF but later games developed a more interesting and balanced system where your options were better and not 1 to 1 upgrades. The latter design makes for better games with more staying power
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May 19, 2015 16:03
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Kyrosiris posted:Maybe I'm the weird one, then, because A) I found blasting my way through the World of Darkness with Sage/Sage/Ninja/Ninja was fun and B) I don't really see a difference between "Black Mage -> Better Black Mage" and "Better Black Mage -> ULTIMATE SPELLCASTER". I think what they're asking for is a change to ALL classes to avoid that feeling of "X new class replaces Y old class" and giving all of them something to make them worthwhile in a general way. Which is really what the new job systems are, and is a much better way of going about it. It seems like kind of a fruitless struggle because FFIII has plenty of other problems besides its class system, like having a boring story even by FF standards.
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The Black Stones posted:I like the idea of Type-0, where you should play it again after beating it because there's so many additional things you can do. However, I'm at Chapter 5 and I'm getting super bored with the game now, and have stopped finding things all that fun. I'm super close to getting a platinum in the game though, so I'm going to finish my first playthrough and then I probably won't touch it ever again. I might even sell it depending how I feel after I beat it. The voice acting sucks, the plot isn't all the great, and really I think it would have worked a lot better as a Vita title then a Ps4 title. Protip: remote play it on your Vita, get the best of both worlds. I've been remote playing from the opposite side of the continent without material issues.
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Fungah! posted:they did that, it was called ff5. and then they released a sequel called bravely default why would you play bravely default, it sucks ff5 is good though
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May 19, 2015 16:26
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ManOfTheYear posted:So are the ps1 versions of ff1 and 2 better than the gba versions? FF1 is better on PS1 unless you want it to be a cakewalk, which in fairness you might. FF2 is better on GBA, but consider that you have the option to not play it at all.
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So does anyone know why Lightning Returns have not hit Steam yet? Any words from SE?
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May 19, 2015 20:09
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Last they said on the matter was "Spring 2015" and that was before 13-2 was released.
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May 19, 2015 20:17
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It's still technically Spring for another month
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RadicalR posted:So does anyone know why Lightning Returns have not hit Steam yet? Any words from SE? They're adding new content, doubling the size of Lightning's wardrobe and fixing up the model on that one dog.
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May 19, 2015 20:19
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corn in the bible posted:why would you play bravely default, it sucks vravely default was good until it stopped being good. that's better than most games do
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:They're adding new content, doubling the size of Lightning's wardrobe and fixing up the model on that one dog. 
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Dragonatrix posted:But... the entire point of it is that it is the correct choice. You get it and Ninja right before the final boss. They're transparently not meant to be balanced.
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May 19, 2015 20:27
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Fungah! posted:vravely default was good until it stopped being good. that's better than most games do I thought it was great until it stopped being great and was just good. If it didn't have the encounter/speed options, it would have become unplayable at that point though.
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May 19, 2015 20:32
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Every RPG should be required to let you choose your encounter rate at your whims. I can't even imagine how people originally played BD without that feature.
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May 19, 2015 20:37
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:They're adding new content, doubling the size of Lightning's wardrobe and fixing up the model on that one dog. That dog is already perfect as is.
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CeallaSo posted:I think what they're asking for is a change to ALL classes to avoid that feeling of "X new class replaces Y old class" and giving all of them something to make them worthwhile in a general way. That was what FF3 DS did to the job system and I remember a lot of complaints about how lovely that was and how it hosed up the job system. I mean I fail to see the point of this patch because if all they're going to do is gently caress up the job system like the DS version did why wouldn't you just play the DS version?
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Twelve by Pies posted:That was what FF3 DS did to the job system and I remember a lot of complaints about how lovely that was and how it hosed up the job system. I mean I fail to see the point of this patch because if all they're going to do is gently caress up the job system like the DS version did why wouldn't you just play the DS version? The DS version changed it for worse, not better, i.e. basically nerfing classes that were good and not really buffing the other classes much at all to compensate. So overall you were weaker and it loving sucked.
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May 19, 2015 21:48
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Didn't they make it so you couldn't easily switch jobs in FF3DS too?
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Nihilarian posted:Didn't they make it so you couldn't easily switch jobs in FF3DS too? It was technically easier since, instead of having to grind battles to gain a currency to switch jobs, you could just do it and take stat penalties for the next X battles. Turns out that wasn't well-received either. It's almost like limiting the ability to change jobs is a dumb idea they should've removed in the remake or something (see every job system since letting you switch at your own whims).
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Mega64 posted:It was technically easier since, instead of having to grind battles to gain a currency to switch jobs, you could just do it and take stat penalties for the next X battles. Turns out that wasn't well-received either. It's almost like limiting the ability to change jobs is a dumb idea they should've removed in the remake or something (see every job system since letting you switch at your own whims). Well that's because Capacity was amazingly plentiful, whereas sticking you with a 50% hit to your loving stats for ten battles (which stacked if you changed within those battles) is mad stupid. 
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May 19, 2015 22:25
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Also job level increase is capped to one per battle so the only way to catch a new job up to an old one is tediously grinding random encounters
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Also job levels sucked because it only gave stat boosts to that one job. FF5 / BD at least gave you neat new abilities that you could use and transfer to future jobs instead of all those levels in Black Mage going to waste in FF3 j/k all those levels in Black Mage meant you had a lower total HP value than if you were any other class
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ManOfTheYear posted:So are the ps1 versions of ff1 and 2 better than the gba versions? I played a good chunk of Origins and Dawn of Souls and found them roughly the same. I found Dawn of Souls a bit harder but I think that might be because I was a chump and used weapons. Gus Unarmed seems to be the way to go. Origins has a wonderful little mechanic where you can level up your magic or other stats by Selecting them then Deselecting them. The game still thinks you used the spell or attack so you still gain levels even without wasting a turn. You can do this forever to jump up your stats to ridiculous levels in one little random encounter. Dawn of Souls has a whole extra dungeon or boss or something though for the characters that died. That was a neat addition. A lot of characters die in FF2.
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May 19, 2015 23:04
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Play FF1 on the NES and don't play FF2 at all imo
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Play FF1 on the NES and don't play FF2 at all imo Play Romancing SaGa on the PS2 instead of FF2.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Play Romancing SaGa on the PS2 instead of FF2. Romancing SaGa 3 on the SNES, SaGa Frontier on the PS1, and Final Fantasy Legend 2 on the Gameboy are also acceptable imo. The thing about the SaGa series is that while most of the games in it are just as bad as Final Fantasy 2 mechanically, and usually feature many of the same mechanics, or even dumber more inscrutable versions, they also have good art/music sometimes or weird unique qualities that make them interesting.
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GreatRedSpirit posted:j/k all those levels in Black Mage meant you had a lower total HP value than if you were any other class  Zombies' Downfall posted:The thing about the SaGa series is that while most of the games in it are just as bad as Final Fantasy 2 mechanically, and usually feature many of the same mechanics, or even dumber more inscrutable versions, they also have good art/music sometimes or weird unique qualities that make them interesting. Honestly, I'm pretty pumped about The Last Remnant too, but I'll get back to you on whether or not it's among the SaGa games you should play or one that you should avoid.
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The Last Remnant is good, assuming you play the PC version where they fixed everything.
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I just beat bravely default and xenoblade and was looking to pick up a new game. How is chrono trigger?
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i kinda just wanted to use that. it's good, i don't think it's anywhere near the greatest game ever made like some people do but i imagine pretty much everyone can enjoy it.
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Play Chrono Cross before Trigger. That's my honest advice. If you play Trigger then want to play Cross, it'll only make you hate Cross. But if you play it before, then it'll hurt less.
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RC Cola posted:I just beat bravely default and xenoblade and was looking to pick up a new game. How is chrono trigger? chrono trigger is very good and this Gologle posted:Play Chrono Cross before Trigger. That's my honest advice. If you play Trigger then want to play Cross, it'll only make you hate Cross. But if you play it before, then it'll hurt less. is very lovely advice. just an fyi, the psn version is the psx version, which has incredibly lovely load times (2-3s every time you open the menu) so if you can find the ds version or the snes version play those instead. the extra ds content sucks rear end though, don't bother
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Cross will make even less sense if you haven't played Trigger. Or at least, the parts where it ties in, rather than feeling at least a little satisfying, will just be nonsense. Also, Chrono Cross has the best video game soundtrack of all time and nothing else even comes close. Dross fucked around with this message at 04:05 on May 20, 2015 |
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Gologle posted:Play Chrono Cross before Trigger. That's my honest advice. If you play Trigger then want to play Cross, it'll only make you hate Cross. But if you play it before, then it'll hurt less. chrono cross is good
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May 20, 2015 04:03
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Dross posted:
Lying isn't a nice thing.
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