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Just like the poo poo "education" and "coursework" at PME schools is made better by adding Center of Excellence to the name.
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I think the whole warrior thing is kind of loving stupid because it makes POGs feel pressured to be super hooah killers even though they army doesn't need them to kill bodies, it needs them to be good at doing whatever their job is. But instead they have "WARRIOR CULINARY SPECIALISTS" and "WARRIOR JOINT NODE NETWORK OPERATOR" shoved down their throats despite the fact that "warrior" is literally the least important part of that title. If the Army made its non-combat personnel focus more on emulating their civilian counterparts it would be an overall much better organization. psydude fucked around with this message at 03:57 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 03:54
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I spend more time on an AF base now than I do an Army base, and seeing WARRIOR WEATHER AIRMAN makes me realize its a DoD thing and could be worse, because like 99% of the army are theoretically more warrior than the USAF.
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May 20, 2015 03:58
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:IDK like a hundred years ago I went to basic we were just told to roll our socks and shirts. i've never heard it called that so its funny. I've been accused of RANGER ROLLING my hat but thats just because i'm not going to be a fag and have it starched and I smash it down, suck my dick I DO WHAT I WANT I"M A GROwn rear end MAN Hahahaha, I used to work near enough to ranger training land that I used to see them at the gas station. Probably because there was an Arby's and poo poo there, but I got pulled up by some little ranger corporal that called me high speed sarcastically and said something about ranger rolling my hat. I called him gently caress face and told to drop his smarmy attitude, and if he could explain what ranger rolling my hat is so that I would never look like a pin dick cock sucker again that'd be great. Then there was this blow up about corporal and NCOS and parade rest and respect so I said cool story and jumped in my car and drove off. I still don't know what ranger rolling a hat is but it was confirmed that all corporals are loving idiots no matter what their job.
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May 20, 2015 04:17
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as an E6 with 12 years in, I can confirm that everyone 4 STAR and below is a complete piece of poo poo more concerned with petty uniform poo poo than the actual wars we fight. edit because I accidentally said O5+ were cool edit2: because if I wasnt drunk I'd be ashamed to say I was a 12 year E6
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May 20, 2015 04:19
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I think it was when you roll up the front of your patrol cap over and over so it becomes permanent and kinda droops forward or whatever the gently caress. Yeah, people used to get yelled at about gay poo poo like that. Even the guys with a loving ranger tab. YOU'RE NOT IN BATT SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT 
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May 20, 2015 04:21
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I'd post a pic of how I wear my hat but I cant. Anyhow i think its anything but LOOKING BRAND NEW and like crisp and like a fez cap with a bill
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May 20, 2015 04:23
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Just bring back loving ball caps already.
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May 20, 2015 04:30
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bring back the beret, bring back unshaved chefs hat, bring back we don't need hats to cover our greasy hair because its not 1950 anymore
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May 20, 2015 04:31
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Bring back the oval office cap.
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May 20, 2015 04:33
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has anyone suggested to higher military command that wearing a hat is "unprofessional" in the business world or do we keep pretending its 1950? If we keep pretending its 1950 we need to segregate again and call rape a night on the town or an overnight pass or something
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May 20, 2015 04:33
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Mike-o posted:Bring back the oval office cap. I still have mine, owns. BUT loving wearing A's or B's everywhere.
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May 20, 2015 04:33
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Mike-o posted:Bring back the oval office cap. with ASU Fridays
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May 20, 2015 04:35
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is headgear because of tradition? SO ARE loving BEARDS SINCE LIKE THE BEGINNING OF TIME
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May 20, 2015 04:35
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Mike-o posted:I think it was when you roll up the front of your patrol cap over and over so it becomes permanent and kinda droops forward or whatever the gently caress. Yeah, people used to get yelled at about gay poo poo like that. Even the guys with a loving ranger tab. YOU'RE NOT IN BATT SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT  Hillary Clintons Thong posted:is headgear because of tradition? SO ARE loving BEARDS SINCE LIKE THE BEGINNING OF TIME
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May 20, 2015 05:26
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I'm being chaptered out for psyche, I'm a loose cannon
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May 20, 2015 05:29
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Spicy Guacamole posted:Nah, that's what cav scouts and people from below the Mason-Dixon do. Ranger rolling a cap is when you roll the top edges up so that you look like a sailor or some other fruity poo poo MARINES. Everyone I knew did this except for the chicks that couldn't fit it over their weaves and extensions. Patrol caps looked like hot garbage otherwise.
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May 20, 2015 05:37
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i always tucked mine into the bands on the side. easiest and quickest way to make it look like not dogshit. i did get told to change it a few times but never corrected it.
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May 20, 2015 05:40
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Cole posted:i always tucked mine into the bands on the side. easiest and quickest way to make it look like not dogshit. yes, smash it into the side bands. Like an american. Anyhow, wearing my garrison cap, I think its the only thing i have left from original enlistment
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May 20, 2015 05:43
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here you go a real song other than all that DEATH ROCK GANGSTA RAP you kids listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBJUHvQPFTI
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May 20, 2015 06:15
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psydude posted:I think the whole warrior thing is kind of loving stupid because it makes POGs feel pressured to be super hooah killers even though they army doesn't need them to kill bodies, it needs them to be good at doing whatever their job is. But instead they have "WARRIOR CULINARY SPECIALISTS" and "WARRIOR JOINT NODE NETWORK OPERATOR" shoved down their throats despite the fact that "warrior" is literally the least important part of that title. I'm in a NG signal battalion that in the course of two months changed commanders and first sergeants for three (out of four) goddamn companies. Two out of three of the new CO's are pretty cool but the 1SG's are all about crazy military HOOAH poo poo; they were all bummed out we weren't doing some dumb HDSOC training when we needed to get a qual range done over one drill weekend The 1SG of the company I just transferred out of actually tried to DnC people around the loving motor pool for no other reason than "military fundamentals," effectively wasting an hour and a half of time we needed to actually work; no problem to 1SG Dicknuts though -- it can just come out of the backend of the day. Signal training like MOS-related skills or Network Operations classes got pushed off the schedule for AWT's that were irrelevant in 2003 because they felt ARE SOLDIERS NEED TO GET BACK TO BASICS; so we had soldiers learning how to call in artillery and dismounted tactics, instead of learning how to loving subnet. My battalion is going to hell so loving fast for the average joe. We spent the last four years trying to get away from the dumb warrior culture bullshit to actually cultivate real signal operators who can be relied on to fix poo poo in a hurry for the dudes who actually fight; we actually got commended on our jobs from people that mattered in the field our last deployment, because they saw how bad it got when we got replaced with units that focus on "discipline" instead of their jobs. It's so frustrating to witness history repeat -- sadly, I'm stuck with this for another 5 goddamn years. Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 08:46 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 08:38
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fyi centers of excellence are ususally created as a congressional mandate due to a significant failure in the DoD. There's a shitload of them in DoD medical because lol whoops Motrin and water doesn't fix everything. They're also not "permenant" organizations even though they might seem like it, and ususally staffed to 80-85% with contractors. Pretty sure that they apply DoD wide.
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psydude posted:I think the whole warrior thing is kind of loving stupid because it makes POGs feel pressured to be super hooah killers even though they army doesn't need them to kill bodies, it needs them to be good at doing whatever their job is. But instead they have "WARRIOR CULINARY SPECIALISTS" and "WARRIOR JOINT NODE NETWORK OPERATOR" shoved down their throats despite the fact that "warrior" is literally the least important part of that title. McChrystal was just interviewed and echoed something similar, pretty interesting read and some good suggestions: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2015/05/15/gen-stanley-mcchrystal-on-shaking-up-the-military/ And if you're feeling really depressed about the current state of things, The Tragedy of the American Military is a great read: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/
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^^^^e: Good reads. The funny thing is the idea McChrystal brings up is already used by the medical corps, where doctors come with a rank that matches their experience level. You have to wonder why we don't do that with other branches.Wasabi the J posted:The 1SG of the company I just transferred out of actually tried to DnC people around the loving motor pool for no other reason than "military fundamentals," effectively wasting an hour and a half of time we needed to actually work; no problem to 1SG Dicknuts though -- it can just come out of the backend of the day. Signal training like MOS-related skills or Network Operations classes got pushed off the schedule for AWT's that were irrelevant in 2003 because they felt ARE SOLDIERS NEED TO GET BACK TO BASICS; so we had soldiers learning how to call in artillery and dismounted tactics, instead of learning how to loving subnet. I've seen this attitude quite a bit. It's one of the things that drives soldiers away: not actually training for their MOS. I'm the brigade S6 now (lol), and none of my soldiers are DoD IAT I/II certified except for me and my warrant. Of course they're making us send them to AT instead of to the training they need to get these certifications they need by regulation in order to do their job. psydude fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 18:42
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we did a lot of DnC at campbell. i was better at it than everybody else in my platoon. don't ever, ever be better at anything than everybody else in the military. ever. i'm loving serious.
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Cole posted:don't ever, ever be better at anything than everybody else in the military. Truer words have never been spoken. Effort post mode: it pisses me off that this is the prevailing attitude in the military. It exists in other worlds, certainly, but not to the extent that Joe has done to conceal his expertise.
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Wasabi the J posted:Truer words have never been spoken. Well yeah, you get all the fun of having extra responsibility with none of the recognition or benefits. Maybe if they treated it like how in concentration camps being the warden's housemaid let you sneak little bits of bread out or something. Platoon RTOs go home at 3 every day, armorers get a TV with cable and can chill in the vault all day, etc They saw my ASVAB score and I was made platoon RTO like the second week I got to my unit. Sure was fun watching Joe Rifleman be able to chill the gently caress out making sand tables and fingerpainting while I was about to rip my hair out trying to figure out why the 117F wasn't talking and got all of 2 minutes to eat dinner before a training mission while everyone else was already in the trucks. I never got the obsession with not being allowed to ranger roll PCs and such. It's like people actively want the uniform to look gay and stupid when it doesn't need to. Why do a bunch of fascists in the 40's get uniforms designed by a high-end fashion designer but we get uniforms made by blind people??? Justin Tyme fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 20:18
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the thing about the military is the more responsibility you are given, the more people who can gently caress you over 24 hours a day. nobody wants that.
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May 20, 2015 20:42
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Justin Tyme posted:Why do a bunch of fascists in the 40's get uniforms designed by a high-end fashion designer but we get uniforms made by blind people???
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May 20, 2015 20:52
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Justin Tyme posted:armorers get a TV with cable and can chill in the vault all day, etc That's pretty much what my last armorer did all day. He was a pretty cool dude who would help you out too.
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Cole posted:don't ever, ever be better at anything than everybody else in the military. Before I left for basic my Grandpa, who was in the army during the 50s, told me to never be first and never be last in anything. He didn't explain why, but I quickly realized how valuable that advice is in a culture where the best and the worst get buttfucked regularly while those in the middle can avoid the worst of it. My drill sergeant yelled at me around week 6 or 7 because he didn't know who the gently caress I was and thought I wandered into the wrong platoon. Ppop was proud.
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Anyone know any decent places for a 2LT to live at off post outside Benning? I considered living on post but I heard they're pretty lovely and I'll be living here for at least a year. Also kind of entertaining the idea of renting a house with a few other guys I know going to ABOLC.
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Never live on post. If you like living dangerously (ie, don't live in mortal fear of black people), you can live pretty much anywhere. Most soldiers will tell you that you shouldn't be living any closer than exit 8, because they live in mortal fear of black people. In saying that though, the housing gets nicer out at exit 8 and 10, and isn't a wretched hell hole if you don't mind the commute. For comparison, twice I've had a crackhead wander up to my house looking to... buy crack I dunno and I threw them out into the street. That's over the space of 3 years. Out at exit 10 we had 3 soldiers in my company have their apartments end up with an extra hole or 2 thanks to stray drive by fire. Welcome to Columbus.
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RichieHimself posted:Before I left for basic my Grandpa, who was in the army during the 50s, told me to never be first and never be last in anything. He didn't explain why, but I quickly realized how valuable that advice is in a culture where the best and the worst get buttfucked regularly while those in the middle can avoid the worst of it. My drill sergeant yelled at me around week 6 or 7 because he didn't know who the gently caress I was and thought I wandered into the wrong platoon. Ppop was proud. Before I left for basic, my Dad, who was in the army during the Korean War, told me that, as well as "never volunteer for anything." Worked pretty well for me.
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MightyJoe36 posted:Before I left for basic, my Dad, who was in the army during the Korean War, told me that, as well as "never volunteer for anything." Worked pretty well for me. While this is true in actual army, volunteering for everything in basic training was really helpful for me, i ended up on a bunch of sham details like picking up Hot-A's from the DFAC and unloading LMTVs while other soldiers were doing retarded poo poo, plus none of the DS's ever knew who I was because I was always off doing some sham detail like guarding weapons or w/e.
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suicide bi cop posted:While this is true in actual army, volunteering for everything in basic training was really helpful for me, i ended up on a bunch of sham details like picking up Hot-A's from the DFAC and unloading LMTVs while other soldiers were doing retarded poo poo, plus none of the DS's ever knew who I was because I was always off doing some sham detail like guarding weapons or w/e. Sitting on range detail, stapling zero targets to the boards, watching my entire company get wrecked for calling the 1SG sir and not calling at ease or some poo poo was the highlight of basic, aside from that time the contractors working on something in the building snuck some cigarettes in our PC's.
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I just got back from my little brother's Air Force Basic Training graduation. I wanted to laugh at him because of how ate-up everything looked to me, then I started to remember the not-insignificant number of times in the Army that I seriously considered killing someone to end some bout of stupidity my unit was enduring, and the not-insignificant number of times I slept in condemned buildings and outdoors in lovely weather and dealt with horrible living conditions, so I shook his hand and told him he made the right branch choice and I was proud of him. Seriously though, they do really weird poo poo in AFBT. If a tech instructor or whatever speaks to you (a trainee) at any time for even something like an on-the-spot correction, your first response is always "Sir\Maam, Trainee Dipshit reports as ordered!" What the gently caress? E: Imma get his rear end a forums account whenever he gets his phone back. He's still all air force moto, maybe the air force thread will cool him off. If we're throwing around dumb basic stories again, I was hidden well until about week 3 when I saw one of my drill sergeants waiting to grab breakfast chow behind some guys in front of me in line. I called for the other privates to make way for him and he gave me a package of Oreo cookies. Since we were told that we weren't allowed anything like cookies, I threw the package out when we were told we were done eating. When that drill sergeant asked me later and I told him what I did, I got smoked because "not liking Oreos is un-American!" I had the nickname "Oreo" for the rest of the cycle. Eulogistics fucked around with this message at 22:08 on May 23, 2015 |
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The other problem is that government service in general (even as a contractor) just does not pay. At all. I left imagery and geospatial intelligence about 2 years ago, and have been working exclusively commercial network engineering since then. Senior government network engineer jobs pay $120k on the coasts. I make more than that in Texas, commercially, and I have all of 2 years experience. Why the hell would I, or anyone, want to be stuck in the DC area, getting paid poo poo, and additionally have to up with all the clearance bullshit? It makes no sense, and it shows how there's no real future for government cyber.
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How'd you get your foot in the door for that? I'm at a point in my career that I'm thinking of getting out and falling back on my IT degree. I don't have any certifications right now and that's really the only thing holding me back.
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Eulogistics posted:I just got back from my little brother's Air Force Basic Training graduation. I wanted to laugh at him because of how ate-up everything looked to me, then I started to remember the not-insignificant number of times in the Army that I seriously considered killing someone to end some bout of stupidity my unit was enduring, and the not-insignificant number of times I slept in condemned buildings and outdoors in lovely weather and dealt with horrible living conditions, so I shook his hand and told him he made the right If tech school doesn't break his spirit, then he's already drank the kool aid so deep he'll be in it for 30 years. Also what's his job, I wanna know how moto he can be flying a desk
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