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fuck off Batman: Oct 14, 2013; Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

-number of provinces increasing

Be careful what you wish for.

# ? May 15, 2015 21:04

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 02:30

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

I do like that it ended up meaning maneuver/encirclement warfare was a constant thing and finding the ideal province or 2 in an area to do your breakthrough was always a thing, but yeah there were downsides- and I certainly laugh at mods that double/triple the number of provinces in Africa or Central Asia/Russia for no reason

# ? May 15, 2015 21:09

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

I don't think you need millions of provinces to simulate encirclement warfare - Darkest Hour just has "encirclement" as an event that can happen when Mobility-doctrine armies fight that gives them a ton of bonuses. You don't have to personally perform encirclements - though it can happen, it just tends to be on the scale of tens to hundreds of divisions that get encircled.

# ? May 16, 2015 00:30

KOGAHAZAN!!: Apr 29, 2013; a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

If province count is so important for manoeuvre warfare that you end up with province counts in the tens of thousands, it's probably smarter to go the Endless Legend route; keep a province map for ownership/control/resource purposes and defer to an underlying hex grid for movement and unit positioning.

# ? May 16, 2015 14:42

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

The only bad thing about HoI3 is what happens after you conquer the USSR as Germany and have to play whack-a-mole with stupid uprisings. I hope they come up with a better partisane system in HoI4

# ? May 16, 2015 15:01

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

Autonomous Monster posted:

If province count is so important for manoeuvre warfare that you end up with province counts in the tens of thousands, it's probably smarter to go the Endless Legend route; keep a province map for ownership/control/resource purposes and defer to an underlying hex grid for movement and unit positioning.

Right but Endless Legend is both turn based and the army sizes are pretty abstract. I'm not sure how that'd translate over to Paradox grand strategy style?

GaussianCopula posted:

The only bad thing about HoI3 is what happens after you conquer the USSR as Germany and have to play whack-a-mole with stupid uprisings. I hope they come up with a better partisane system in HoI4

As a fan of 3, I believe there are other bad things. But I do agree a better/larger list of "what to do now that you've won" would be nice. It feels weird saying/pretending you could puppet Russia as if that was a thing that could be done- I'd rather be able to disband a bunch of their army, force them to send me resources, hand over some areas to my allies, and leave the rest to run itself. I think 'Bitter Peace' does allow some of that for Germany beating Russia, but it'd be nice if that was a regular thing you could do.

# ? May 16, 2015 16:14

KOGAHAZAN!!: Apr 29, 2013; a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

Right but Endless Legend is both turn based and the army sizes are pretty abstract. I'm not sure how that'd translate over to Paradox grand strategy style?

Units would be "in" a hex and travel between them in exactly the same fashion that they're "in" provinces and travel between those provinces now? Would you be happier with an analogy to Vicky's province/state setup? I mean, if I'm remembering correctly HOI4 already has a province/sub-province setup, so all I'm really saying is just give in already and make them regularly sized/shaped.

# ? May 16, 2015 16:34

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

The smaller provinces makes the Spanish CIvil War kinda wonky as the AI tends to lack the units to defend the whole front so it ends really fast. In reality division sized units could stretch pretty far if they had to, but in HOI3 they could always only occupy one province.

All of the Hearts of Iron games are tuned around the Eastern Front where both sides have a ton of units so the smaller provinces let you make more stuff happen.

Also, Endless Legend's combat is a travesty.

# ? May 16, 2015 16:51

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

Autonomous Monster posted:

Units would be "in" a hex and travel between them in exactly the same fashion that they're "in" provinces and travel between those provinces now? Would you be happier with an analogy to Vicky's province/state setup? I mean, if I'm remembering correctly HOI4 already has a province/sub-province setup, so all I'm really saying is just give in already and make them regularly sized/shaped.

That doesn't really address either of my questions/concerns.

Panzeh posted:

The smaller provinces makes the Spanish CIvil War kinda wonky as the AI tends to lack the units to defend the whole front so it ends really fast. In reality division sized units could stretch pretty far if they had to, but in HOI3 they could always only occupy one province.

All of the Hearts of Iron games are tuned around the Eastern Front where both sides have a ton of units so the smaller provinces let you make more stuff happen.

Also, Endless Legend's combat is a travesty.

Would it be significantly improved if they had simply labeled/converted divisions into brigades and made them the 'atomic unit' of the map?

# ? May 16, 2015 20:18

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

Would it be significantly improved if they had simply labeled/converted divisions into brigades and made them the 'atomic unit' of the map?

Technically you can have a division that consists of only 1 brigade. It's more an KI problem really.

# ? May 16, 2015 20:21

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

GaussianCopula posted:

Technically you can have a division that consists of only 1 brigade. It's more an KI problem really.

You can- but let's say you can build your brigades out of 4-5 battalions, just like you build your divisions now. I don't think the IC/manpower are really out of whack for what the game expects you to be able to build, in regards to covering/defending the provinces on the map.

# ? May 16, 2015 20:37

KOGAHAZAN!!: Apr 29, 2013; a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

That doesn't really address either of my questions/concerns.

Then I guess I don't know what your question is, exactly. :shrug:

# ? May 16, 2015 20:50

Panzeh: Nov 27, 2006; "..The high ground"

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

Would it be significantly improved if they had simply labeled/converted divisions into brigades and made them the 'atomic unit' of the map?

There's a point at which you just get way too many.

And for what it's worth, the HOI3 AI is actually much better with tiny divisions(1-2 brigs).

# ? May 16, 2015 21:33

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

Can HoI-4 be integrated with Cities:Skylines somehow?

# ? May 17, 2015 22:21

ArchangeI: Jul 15, 2010

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

Can HoI-4 be integrated with Cities:Skylines somehow?

get the firespreading mod, sell all firestations, pretend you just got firebombed.

# ? May 17, 2015 22:36

Pornographic Memory: Dec 17, 2008

ArchangeI posted:

get the firespreading mod, sell all firestations, pretend you just got firebombed.

Remember how the original Sim City had a scenario for the Hamburg firebombing? Good stuff.

# ? May 17, 2015 22:44

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

So I just bought Vic2 + all DLCs from http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/victoria-complete-bundle/

Is there a good guide how to play this game?

# ? May 20, 2015 08:01

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

GaussianCopula posted:

So I just bought Vic2 + all DLCs from http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/victoria-complete-bundle/

Is there a good guide how to play this game?

I don't know if there's been an actual "learning" LP of V2 on SA, but you should defniitely check out PatterSong's various Victoria 2 LP's, since they have really good explanations for the mechanics and the decision-making process.

Also get ready to be a lot more patient than you had to be learning CK2 and EU4. Victoria 2 is a great game but it's much more difficult to wrap your mind around than the other two titles.

# ? May 20, 2015 08:05

Yaoi Gagarin: Feb 20, 2014

GaussianCopula posted:

So I just bought Vic2 + all DLCs from http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/victoria-complete-bundle/

Is there a good guide how to play this game?

Kersch: http://lparchive.org/Victoria-II/
Patter Song: http://lparchive.org/Victoria-II-Heart-of-Darkness/

Despite the URL, both LPs are for Heart of Darkness. Both are good, although IIRC Kersch's was more tutorial-ish.

# ? May 20, 2015 08:08

Empress Theonora: Feb 19, 2001; She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Kersch's LP taught me to play V2, and Patter's showed me how interesting the stories that V2 creates can be. I recommend both of 'em.

# ? May 20, 2015 08:59

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rincewind posted:

Kersch's LP taught me to play V2, and Patter's showed me how interesting the stories that V2 creates can be. I recommend both of 'em.

Shame about the game it creates

# ? May 20, 2015 09:20

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

I bought into the Paradox bundle for Knights of Pen and Paper and Vicky 2 thinking maybe they'd add the expansions on week two.

So now I have Sengoku and Ship Simulator Extremes and need to pay another $5 for Vicky DLC. Or just stick to Sengoku and Ship Simulator Extremes.

# ? May 20, 2015 14:33

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

Oh Paradox...

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/silly-dlc.855762/page-5

quote:

Is player-comfort such a huge issue with this game? Are people really that bothered by having a potrait of Hitler appear for the head of state of their nation?

quote:

Yes.

quote:

I'vet yet to know a German that would be bothered by playing Hitler, including myself. But I can understand that there's people who would be bothered by that.

# ? May 22, 2015 17:41

Westminster System: Jul 4, 2009

Not enough hitler portraits if you ask me, should pull a tito.

# ? May 23, 2015 22:32

OhGreatAGinger: Oct 10, 2012

Is there a good tutorial on how to manually edit Ck2 -> EU4 converter mods anywhere? I've searched high and low through paradox's forum but I can't find anything except people complaining about the times that patches broke it.

To be specific all I'm really trying to do to change it so that my converted crusader empire has the Jerusalem national ideas instead of those of France.

And while I'm at it, is there any way to "update" a converter mod? As in make it compatible with a newer EU4 patch through editing? The Project Augustus mod seems to have broken converter compatibility as of El Dorado which is a shame because this is the first game of Crusader Kings 2 I've played from start to finish, I can play it by installing an older patch, but I'd really like to use it with El Dorado and the eventual Common Sense upgrades.

Or am I just doomed to have to recreate my game with give_title and set_religion/culture console commands?

# ? May 25, 2015 02:14

KOGAHAZAN!!: Apr 29, 2013; a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

OhGreatAGinger posted:

Is there a good tutorial on how to manually edit Ck2 -> EU4 converter mods anywhere?

Same way you mod anything.

More seriously, though, to fiddle with ideas you want to find the mod directory (it should be somewhere like <userdir>/My Documents/Paradox Interactive/Crusader Kings II/euiv_export/), then look for common/ideas/. In there, you have 02_country_ideas.txt and !_jerusalem_ideas.txt.

In the latter, you want to change

code:

	trigger = {
		tag = KOJ
		religion_group = christian
	}

code:

	trigger = {
		OR = {
			tag = KOJ
			tag = <your country's tag>
		}
		religion_group = christian
	}

and, similarly, in the former, change

code:

FRA_ideas = {
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			tag = FRA
			tag = RFR
			AND = {
				
				OR = {
					primary_culture = cosmopolitan_french
					primary_culture = normand
					primary_culture = occitain
					primary_culture = breton
				}
			}
		}
		NOT = {
			tag = KOJ
		}
	}
}

code:

FRA_ideas = {
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			tag = FRA
			tag = RFR
			AND = {
				
				OR = {
					primary_culture = cosmopolitan_french
					primary_culture = normand
					primary_culture = occitain
					primary_culture = breton
				}
			}
		}
		NOT = {
			tag = KOJ
			tag = <your country's tag>
		}
	}
}

If you don't know what your tag is, find localisation/converted_countries_l_english.yml and search for your country's converted name.

# ? May 25, 2015 13:56

OhGreatAGinger: Oct 10, 2012

Autonomous Monster posted:

Same way you mod anything.

More seriously, though, to fiddle with ideas you want to find the mod directory (it should be somewhere like <userdir>/My Documents/Paradox Interactive/Crusader Kings II/euiv_export/), then look for common/ideas/. In there, you have 02_country_ideas.txt and !_jerusalem_ideas.txt.

Hmm, that didn't work. Now it just loads up with the generic national ideas. :psyduck:

OhGreatAGinger fucked around with this message at 19:55 on May 25, 2015

# ? May 25, 2015 17:34

Panama Red: Jul 30, 2003; Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct

So even though I can change the portraits for ministers in HoI3, the names of the ministers remain the same. For example, in the common/countries folder, I've edited the Soviet Union file to be like this:

4007 = {
name = "Mikhail Tukhachevsky"
ideology = leninist
loyalty = 0.50
picture = M4007
chief_of_staff = school_of_manoeuvre
start_date = 1936.1.1
}

But in the game I'm still getting "Michaił Tuchaczewskij" or whatever Polish spelling that Paradox uses. Any ideas how I can fix this? As I said, changing the portrait was easy as pie.

# ? May 25, 2015 21:50

Aesculus: Mar 22, 2013

Panama Red posted:

So even though I can change the portraits for ministers in HoI3, the names of the ministers remain the same. For example, in the common/countries folder, I've edited the Soviet Union file to be like this:

4007 = {
name = "Mikhail Tukhachevsky"
ideology = leninist
loyalty = 0.50
picture = M4007
chief_of_staff = school_of_manoeuvre
start_date = 1936.1.1
}

But in the game I'm still getting "Michaił Tuchaczewskij" or whatever Polish spelling that Paradox uses. Any ideas how I can fix this? As I said, changing the portrait was easy as pie.

You probably need to edit the localization files as well, have you done that?

# ? May 25, 2015 22:03

Panama Red: Jul 30, 2003; Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct

Is each individual minister covered in the localization files? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. The name of the minister should be the same for all languages. I'm not changing the minister title, just the name of the actual minister.

EDIT: I just opened all the localization files with Notepad++ and couldn't find any minister names, just minister titles.

Panama Red fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 25, 2015

# ? May 25, 2015 22:22

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

So with the ban on Nazi symbols and stuff in Germany, who fills in for him in the German versions of WW2 games?

Badolf Bitler?

# ? May 25, 2015 22:24

TheMcD: May 4, 2013; Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

So with the ban on Nazi symbols and stuff in Germany, who fills in for him in the German versions of WW2 games?

Badolf Bitler?

You can actually use Hitler and stuff, just not the swastika itself. It's a very peculiar situation that sort of developed through the years, and we still haven't quite figured out how the gently caress video games are going to figure into things (because nobody wants to be the guy that allowed use of swastikas in anything).

Note that this statement is not based on an actual knowledge of the law (�130 StGB is the crucial one, I think?), but on what I've seen in games. Hitler pretty much never gets censored, but the swastika always.

EDIT: Wait, no, it's not �130 StGB (Agitation of the People), but �86 StGB (Dissemination of Means of Propaganda of Unconstitutional Organizations), particularly �86a StGB (Use of Symbols of Unconstitutional Organizations). So using Hitler's face and name doesn't fall under dissemination of propaganda, but using the swastika definitely falls under use of symbols of unconstitutional organiztions.

TheMcD fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 25, 2015

# ? May 25, 2015 22:28

Nothingtoseehere: Nov 11, 2010

OhGreatAGinger posted:

Is there a good tutorial on how to manually edit Ck2 -> EU4 converter mods anywhere? I've searched high and low through paradox's forum but I can't find anything except people complaining about the times that patches broke it.

To be specific all I'm really trying to do to change it so that my converted crusader empire has the Jerusalem national ideas instead of those of France.

And while I'm at it, is there any way to "update" a converter mod? As in make it compatible with a newer EU4 patch through editing? The Project Augustus mod seems to have broken converter compatibility as of El Dorado which is a shame because this is the first game of Crusader Kings 2 I've played from start to finish, I can play it by installing an older patch, but I'd really like to use it with El Dorado and the eventual Common Sense upgrades.

Or am I just doomed to have to recreate my game with give_title and set_religion/culture console commands?

You can also use the Clausewitz scenario editor to edit the mod, which allows you to fix stuff like culture, religion, borders, using a GUI, to make sure you get everything.

# ? May 25, 2015 22:38

Mans: Sep 14, 2011; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

So with the ban on Nazi symbols and stuff in Germany, who fills in for him in the German versions of WW2 games?

Badolf Bitler?

Poland

# ? May 25, 2015 22:56

Panama Red: Jul 30, 2003; Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct

Panama Red posted:

Is each individual minister covered in the localization files? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. The name of the minister should be the same for all languages. I'm not changing the minister title, just the name of the actual minister.

EDIT: I just opened all the localization files with Notepad++ and couldn't find any minister names, just minister titles.

Never mind, I figured it out. Had to replace the TFH country files rather than the vanilla ones.

# ? May 25, 2015 23:24

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mans posted:

Poland

Alternate history where the Free City of Danzig conquers Germany and builds a Fascist war machine

# ? May 25, 2015 23:24

axeil: Feb 14, 2006

Larry Parrish posted:

Alternate history where the Free City of Danzig conquers Germany and builds a Fascist war machine

It would be really awesome if HOI4 came with alternate history scenarios like Kaiserreich right out of the box. There's only so many ways to play out WW2 before it gets boring.

# ? May 26, 2015 03:24

MohawkSatan: Dec 20, 2008; by Cyrano4747

axeil posted:

It would be really awesome if HOI4 came with alternate history scenarios like Kaiserreich right out of the box. There's only so many ways to play out WW2 before it gets boring.

Better yet would be an option to start in 1912, play through WW1 yourself and then just keep going.

# ? May 26, 2015 03:37

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

MohawkSatan posted:

Better yet would be an option to start in 1912, play through WW1 yourself and then just keep going.

The interwar years are always real boring plus they break the economy. Possibly having a kind of internal save conversion to skip the boring parts and set up the next war would be cool though.

# ? May 26, 2015 06:27

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Demiurge4: Aug 10, 2011

I want a fantasy steampunk mod that lets me build nuclear zeppelins and conduct horrible experiments that give me random stat, monstrous infantry and armor units at a high manpower cost.

# ? May 26, 2015 06:30

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