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Sir Kodiak posted:At the end Rick Perry's glasses fly off, revealing that he has the mind of a child. That might be enough to push him over the edge. 'Faith of a Child' is unironically used as a compliment by the paint chip eating evangelists, and Ted Cruz has that doe-eyed wonderment look down-pat.
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Gravel Gravy posted:What sort of accomplishments should we look for in a Secretary of State? The position or the department itself is kind of reactionary and all about damage control. If it is able to maintain a status quo then it is doing alright. A survey of scholars put Hillary at the 4th most effective, tied with Albright, with "don't know" in second place. The key point is that it was "most effective" Secretary of State, not "best." Kissinger has the top spot.
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derra posted:Seward's Folly? I definitely think he made the right choice.
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Well, yeah, the poster was asking for "notable accomplishments". Just because it was labelled a folly doesn't mean it actually was one.
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derra posted:Well, yeah, the poster was asking for "notable accomplishments". Just because it was labelled a folly doesn't mean it actually was one. lol sorry, it was just a lovely attempt at a humorous comment. I live in AK.
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May 20, 2015 19:38
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Series DD Funding posted:The paper said they were skeptical a minimum wage increase would significantly boost the economy. In that case, the increased spending demand of minwage workers must be balanced out somewhere else through higher prices. It's basic economics. This is stupid and NOT economics. Real economics, that is.
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May 20, 2015 20:21
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Kobayashi posted:The GOP needs a tournament bracket for debates, complete with seeding and everything. It'd be more entertaining the the NCAA tournament. I'll pay some serious money to see that on PPV.
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May 20, 2015 20:24
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Oh a study funded by the Koch's and or some shorty hedge fund says minimum wage doesn't boost the economy, in other news poors don't buy things and various red states ARENT trying to limit what types of food poors can buy on state assistance. Finally Republicans standing up to BIG LOBSTER and BIG SIRLOIN!
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May 20, 2015 20:31
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Mr Hootington posted:So Bernie is coming to Iowa late in May and early in June and I've signed up for and plan on going to one of his town hall meetings. I'm super excited about this and am wondering if I get a chance should I ask if he would support a minimum wage increase that is tied to cost of living? Or maybe a suggestion for a better question and maybe some information on the subject you suggest. Ask him what he's going to do about the heroin problem.
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May 20, 2015 21:16
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mastervj posted:This is stupid and NOT economics. Real economics, that is. Thanks for the stunning rebuttal.
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May 20, 2015 21:20
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I'm sure I'll get some poo poo for this, but I am liking some things about Rand Paul, at least in comparison to some of the clowns in the republican circus. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/politics/rand-paul-patriot-act-filibuster/index.html He's grandstanding against the Patriot act, whether this will have any effectiveness or is just theatrics - I don't know, but at least he's not like many other senators who are complacent in re-upping. He co-sponsored with Corey Booker on prison reform, which at the bare minimum would give closer to equal punishments for crack possession and Cocaine Classic™ He's one of the more progressive on the GOP side when it comes to gay marriage by calling it a states right issue, which is (sadly) better than the Mike Huckabee approach of a federal ban because jesus dosen't approve. His website has a similar spiel about abortion too. Anyway, I don't know if that's enough to win him the nomination, but it certainly carves him a niche of GOP voters enough to make him competitive.
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May 20, 2015 21:34
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Series DD Funding posted:The paper said they were skeptical a minimum wage increase would significantly boost the economy. In that case, the increased spending demand of minwage workers must be balanced out somewhere else through higher prices. It's basic economics. Price elasticity is a thing, y'know. Yeah, prices would probably go up by some amount, it's true. But it's not going to be a 1:1 thing--there's a reason that taxes on business don't immediately get passed on in full to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Anyone working below $15 an hour would see a pretty dramatic improvement in their quality of life, anyone narrowly above that mark would lose some ground in the short term, but would have considerable ability to get a raise, and anyone making more than that would be doing well enough already that they're not going to lose out too much to any increase in prices. It's easily a net gain for society.
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May 20, 2015 21:37
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The Nastier Nate posted:at least in comparison to some of the clowns in the republican circus. A low bar, indeed. He punted to the states on gay marriage, which is a gargantuan copout. Prison reform is an admirable task, but he's unlikely to change such a profitable and racist structure--particularly when those are the two most admirable corporate qualities in the US. In short, Feel the Bern--gently caress everyone else.
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May 20, 2015 21:38
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LeeMajors posted:
He's already done more than the republican senator in my state (Pat Toomey - PA) who as far as I know has never broached the subject, and we're a far more liberal state than Kentucky, so credit where credit is due.
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May 20, 2015 21:43
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The Nastier Nate posted:He's already done more than the republican senator in my state (Pat Toomey - PA) who as far as I know has never broached the subject, and we're a far more liberal state than Kentucky, so credit where credit is due. No credit is due to someone who manages to do better than literal animate poo poo.
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May 20, 2015 21:45
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The Nastier Nate posted:He's already done more than the republican senator in my state (Pat Toomey - PA) who as far as I know has never broached the subject, and we're a far more liberal state than Kentucky, so credit where credit is due. My point is that the rest of his platform is so destructive that it approaches folly to hang your hat on that issue. I'm an advocate of prison reform as well, but Paul is a reactionary nutcase waiting to defund every reasonable social safety net this country has to offer.
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May 20, 2015 21:46
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LeeMajors posted:A low bar, indeed. Pretty much this. Paul isn't going to win no matter what, so you should vote to try to change the conversation, which will improve our choices in the long term. Bernie improves the conversation a lot more than the son of purestrain ever will. And in the general, Hilldawg, so the ultimate socialist golden one will have a friendly Supreme Court when the time comes.
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May 20, 2015 21:54
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LeeMajors posted:My point is that the rest of his platform is so destructive that it approaches folly to hang your hat on that issue. For example: prison reform doesn't matter much when the same candidate says we should be able to shoot missiles from drones at unconvicted dudes who walk out of a liquor store "looking like they robbed it".
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Fox News is going to limit the first debate to 10 candidates, being the top ten in the five most recent national polls as of August 5th. Also, they are requiring the candidates to have officially declared that they're running and filed all the necessary paperwork with the FEC and state election officials. Wrap it up, Lindsey!The Nastier Nate posted:Anyway, I don't know if that's enough to win him the nomination, but it certainly carves him a niche of GOP voters enough to make him competitive. Paul's niche of unorthodox positions for a Republican is actually the reason he's not going to win the nomination.
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May 20, 2015 22:03
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Well to be fair on the issue of prison reform and criminal justice reform both sides overall have awful positions and only a handful of people on either side have anything approaching a reasonable position on the issue. Rand is still poo poo though, I liked him a bit when he used to be somewhat of a libertarian but now he's just Ted Cruz with different rhetoric.
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May 20, 2015 22:03
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Nintendo Kid posted:For example: prison reform doesn't matter much when the same candidate says we should be able to shoot missiles from drones at unconvicted dudes who walk out of a liquor store "looking like they robbed it". This reminds me of 2008 when a lot of people, myself included, were exposed to Ron Paul for the first time in the debate where he attacked American warmongering. At first glance, holy poo poo he appears to be a legit politician! But nope, once you learn any more about him it turns out he's actually just an insane racist reactionary who was having a stopped clock moment.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Price elasticity is a thing, y'know. Yeah, prices would probably go up by some amount, it's true. But it's not going to be a 1:1 thing--there's a reason that taxes on business don't immediately get passed on in full to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Anyone working below $15 an hour would see a pretty dramatic improvement in their quality of life, anyone narrowly above that mark would lose some ground in the short term, but would have considerable ability to get a raise, and anyone making more than that would be doing well enough already that they're not going to lose out too much to any increase in prices. It's easily a net gain for society. It's not that clear-cut of a gain. It helps some people for sure, likely hurts a much smaller group of people, and may not have an enormous net effect on anything. (Just so I'm clear, it doesn't seem to have a negative effect so we might as well do it. It's just not a panacea.)
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Joementum posted:Fox News is going to limit the first debate to 10 candidates, being the top ten in the five most recent national polls as of August 5th. Also, they are requiring the candidates to have officially declared that they're running and filed all the necessary paperwork with the FEC and state election officials. Wrap it up, Lindsey! Jeb better hurry up and wipe the freshly squoze CPAC cum from his delicate chin, and put in his paperwork. Sounds like a world-class rodeo.
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Speaking of Rand Paul, is still releasing extensive footnotes on the transcripts of his speeches so people will leave him the hell alone?
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Gravel Gravy posted:What sort of accomplishments should we look for in a Secretary of State? The position or the department itself is kind of reactionary and all about damage control. If it is able to maintain a status quo then it is doing alright. To play devils advocate, Kerrys Iran Deal and reopening Cuba. Yeah, the job is mainly good if you don't notice it's being done, but certain times a Secretary can have deals that change the world significantly.
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The Nastier Nate posted:I'm sure I'll get some poo poo for this, but I am liking some things about Rand Paul, at least in comparison to some of the clowns in the republican circus. He's also one of the few republican candidates who would actually be interested in simply shutting down things like medicare and public education. Don't think for a moment that his populist efforts redeem the rest of his horrific platform. "It's a state issue" = let states ban abortion = worse than the status quo. By most measurements, he's literally the most conservative person running. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 20, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:Fox News is going to limit the first debate to 10 candidates, being the top ten in the five most recent national polls as of August 5th. Also, they are requiring the candidates to have officially declared that they're running and filed all the necessary paperwork with the FEC and state election officials. Wrap it up, Lindsey! Bush, Walker, Rubio, Paul, Cruz, Carson, Huckabee, and Christie seem like a lock to finish top 10. That leaves 2 spots for Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina, Kasich, Graham, Pataki, and whoever else is out there.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Bush, Walker, Rubio, Paul, Cruz, Carson, Huckabee, and Christie seem like a lock to finish top 10. That leaves 2 spots for Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina, Kasich, Graham, Pataki, and whoever else is out there. Would you really put Carson in front of [anybody who isn't black]? This is the GOP we're talking about. Also, Cruz and Christie? I'd imagine Perry would come before those two. On the other hand, think if both Carson and Fiorina get excluded from the debates. Those optics would be great for the GOP right now.
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Cantorsdust posted:Would you really put Carson in front of [anybody who isn't black]? This is the GOP we're talking about. Also, Cruz and Christie? I'd imagine Perry would come before those two. They're saying it's all based on the polls. Carson is consistently polling inside the top 10. So are Cruz and Christie. Once you get about 8-9 down on the list, candidates are drawing 1-2%, so it's hard to pick between the ones I listed on the fringe. If I had to guess, Perry would definitely make it. The last spot is gonna be wide open between Santorum, Jindal, Kasich, and Fiorina.
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A 10 candidate debate seems incredibly broad. We probably won't get an appropriate revelatory shitshow that we all deserve.
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baw posted:A survey of scholars put Hillary at the 4th most effective, tied with Albright, with "don't know" in second place. The key point is that it was "most effective" Secretary of State, not "best." Kissinger has the top spot. Laughing at freaking George C. Marshall not being included here. EDIT: Or Dulles. Jesus. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 20, 2015 |
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Ah, I see it's time to repost this:
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Ah, I see it's time to repost this: paul_family_are_liars.png
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LeeMajors posted:A 10 candidate debate seems incredibly broad. We probably won't get an appropriate revelatory shitshow that we all deserve. There's 16-20 "real" GOP candidates, and at least 12 "legitimate" ones. Gotta draw the line somewhere, and cutting it down to any less than 10 is eliminating more than half the field. Maybe they could put them all in 2 conferences or something. Have a single elimination tournament. The contrast between this and the Democratic primary is hilarious.
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I for one would rather masturbate with sandpaper than even consider voting for a man who thinks that the Civil Rights Act, which lets me be able to walk into any store I want without the owner telling me to gently caress off because I don't pass the paper bag test, is a mistake.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I for one would rather masturbate with sandpaper than even consider voting for a man who thinks that the Civil Rights Act, which lets me be able to walk into any store I want without the owner telling me to gently caress off because I don't pass the paper bag test, is a mistake.
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Cantorsdust posted:Would you really put Carson in front of [anybody who isn't black]? This is the GOP we're talking about. Also, Cruz and Christie? I'd imagine Perry would come before those two. As Mike Tyson said, the Tea Party loves crazy more than they hate black.
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Nonsense posted:Oh a study funded by the Koch's and or some shorty hedge fund says minimum wage doesn't boost the economy, in other news poors don't buy things and various red states ARENT trying to limit what types of food poors can buy on state assistance. Finally Republicans standing up to BIG LOBSTER and BIG SIRLOIN! I will make the sacrifice and stand up to big sirloins everywhere. No need to thank me.  The Nastier Nate posted:He's already done more than the republican senator in my state (Pat Toomey - PA) who as far as I know has never broached the subject, and we're a far more liberal state than Kentucky, so credit where credit is due. Toomey hasn't come out and stated he's ok with using drone strikes against criminals in the US, including the highly dangerous liquor store robber. Paul's also going to end up like his dad; a massive hypocritical piece of poo poo who rails against government and government spending while inserting pork in to bills he knows will pass so he can vote against said bills to keep up appearances with the idiots who elect him. Jerry Manderbilt posted:Ah, I see it's time to repost this: Christie's spot on that chart still blows my mind but it's likely due to the state he's in, similar to Nixon's position being affected by the Congress he had to work with. I wonder how history will look on HW Bush and how much hate he'll get for having spawned Jeb and Junior.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:They're saying it's all based on the polls. Carson is consistently polling inside the top 10. So are Cruz and Christie. Once you get about 8-9 down on the list, candidates are drawing 1-2%, so it's hard to pick between the ones I listed on the fringe. If I had to guess, Perry would definitely make it. The last spot is gonna be wide open between Santorum, Jindal, Kasich, and Fiorina. How bad must it feel, as an established politician, if you're edged out for the debate by Carson, Fiorina, and 'Snake Oil' Huckabee?
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