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Arcsech: Aug 5, 2008

pram posted:

its actually the best

actually a language designed in the last 10 years that has a static type system but not generics is garbage hth

# ? May 22, 2015 05:28

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# ? May 27, 2024 14:00

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

every time i think about it i am blown away by how loving stupid the decision to not have generics is

even java type erasure generics are pretty helpful

# ? May 22, 2015 05:29

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

what could possibly have been the motivation to omit generics? they're like the least-controversially-useful thing you can have in a modern language.

# ? May 22, 2015 05:31

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Arcsech posted:

actually a language designed in the last 10 years that has a static type system but not generics is garbage hth

actually rob pike is way. way smarter than you and probably has a bigger dick. ya mad?

# ? May 22, 2015 05:33

pram: Jun 10, 2001

the smartest engineers didnt include generics :qq:

durrrr cry cry *wipes tears with copy of learn you some erlang*

# ? May 22, 2015 05:33

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

i just cut myself on pram's goposting

# ? May 22, 2015 05:36

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

pram posted:

actually rob pike is way. way smarter than you and probably has a bigger dick. ya mad?

Rob's smart, but it's not like he redefines the category. he had a lot of latitude on p9 and so he got to flex all over, but it's not clear that he's really that connected to the realities of industrial software development. go seems like a language designed for "software development as experienced by Rob Pike", but not necessarily one that generalizes to "software development as experienced by anyone who actually has constraints".

# ? May 22, 2015 06:00

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

Arcsech posted:

actually a language designed in the last 10 years that has a static type system but not generics is garbage hth

another right opinion itt

# ? May 22, 2015 06:08

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Subjunctive posted:

Rob's smart, but it's not like he redefines the category. he had a lot of latitude on p9 and so he got to flex all over, but it's not clear that he's really that connected to the realities of industrial software development. go seems like a language designed for "software development as experienced by Rob Pike", but not necessarily one that generalizes to "software development as experienced by anyone who actually has constraints".

thank you for your opinion but i dont get that last part. its a simple procedural language, its really good and easy for web and unix stuff. rob pike is a unix/p9 guy and google is a web company.. makes sense to me

# ? May 22, 2015 06:24

pram: Jun 10, 2001

coincidentally my deployment environment is unix and my end users are using http

# ? May 22, 2015 06:25

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

after spending 90% of my time in java trying to fight with compilation issues and fighting with intellij i can understand a lot of the motivations behind go

# ? May 22, 2015 06:42

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

intellij is so loving bad

# ? May 22, 2015 06:43

pram: Jun 10, 2001

deploying your go source with a docker onbuild container is so loving sweet. u dont even know man. straight from git to prod

# ? May 22, 2015 06:44

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

yeah it's really cool

# ? May 22, 2015 06:47

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

docker compose sucks tho

# ? May 22, 2015 06:48

pram: Jun 10, 2001

use fleet lol

# ? May 22, 2015 06:49

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

intellij is so loving bad

nah. maybe you are bad, hmm?

# ? May 22, 2015 06:51

pram: Jun 10, 2001

maybe programming doesnt have to be masochistic? maybe haskell and erlang and scala are actually pointless poo poo? and go is the best? some food for thought

# ? May 22, 2015 06:52

triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

erlang is actually useful in some specific cases unlike haskell or scala

# ? May 22, 2015 06:52

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

pram posted:

maybe programming doesnt have to be masochistic? maybe haskell and erlang and scala are actually pointless poo poo? and go is the best? some food for thought

code:

go 
	// would be nice if we could combine these somehow....
	// oh well
	func multiply_float(Float f, Float g)
		return f * g
	cnuf 

	func multiply_int(Int i, Int o)
		return i * o
	cnuf
og

# ? May 22, 2015 06:55

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

channels / go routines are really cool though

# ? May 22, 2015 06:56

pram: Jun 10, 2001

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

code:

go 
	// would be nice if we could combine these somehow....
	// oh well
	func multiply_float(Float f, Float g)
		return f * g
	cnuf 

	func multiply_int(Int i, Int o)
		return i * o
	cnuf
og

there are a lot of ways to do this. reflect, switch. lol. i will admit int,uint,float are a pain in the rear end but it isnt impossible. for example just casting from an interface (i didnt put much thought into this)

http://play.golang.org/p/ySev-ZSQC6

code:

package main

import "fmt"

func main() {

	fmt.Println(Multiply(5, 2.3).(float64))
}

func Multiply(first, second interface{}) (answer interface{}) {

	var f, s float64
	var fi, si int

	f, ok := first.(float64)
	if !ok {
		fi = first.(int)
		f = float64(fi)
	}

	s, ok = second.(float64)
	if !ok {
		si = second.(int)
		s = float64(si)
	}

	return f * s

}

# ? May 22, 2015 07:21

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

I'm highly amused that you are defending that code and not mocking the poo poo out of it

# ? May 22, 2015 07:27

pram: Jun 10, 2001

glad i can bring a little joy into yr life

# ? May 22, 2015 07:29

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

pram posted:

there are a lot of ways to do this. reflect, switch. lol. i will admit int,uint,float are a pain in the rear end but it isnt impossible. for example just casting from an interface (i didnt put much thought into this)

http://play.golang.org/p/ySev-ZSQC6
code:
package main

import "fmt"

func main() {

	fmt.Println(Multiply(5, 2.3).(float64))
}

func Multiply(first, second interface{}) (answer interface{}) {

	var f, s float64
	var fi, si int

	f, ok := first.(float64)
	if !ok {
		fi = first.(int)
		f = float64(fi)
	}

	s, ok = second.(float64)
	if !ok {
		si = second.(int)
		s = float64(si)
	}

	return f * s

}

i'm the total lack of compile time type safety:

http://play.golang.org/p/ywG69MjjlV

# ? May 22, 2015 07:32

pram: Jun 10, 2001

what do you expect, theyre strings going into an interface. write a test

# ? May 22, 2015 07:35

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

pram posted:

there are a lot of ways to do this. reflect, switch. lol. i will admit int,uint,float are a pain in the rear end but it isnt impossible. for example just casting from an interface (i didnt put much thought into this)

http://play.golang.org/p/ySev-ZSQC6
code:
package main

import "fmt"

func main() {

	fmt.Println(Multiply(5, 2.3).(float64))
}

func Multiply(first, second interface{}) (answer interface{}) {

	var f, s float64
	var fi, si int

	f, ok := first.(float64)
	if !ok {
		fi = first.(int)
		f = float64(fi)
	}

	s, ok = second.(float64)
	if !ok {
		si = second.(int)
		s = float64(si)
	}

	return f * s

}

this post convinced me to learn go

# ? May 22, 2015 07:36

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

pram posted:

what do you expect, theyre strings going into an interface. write a test

i expect my language to offer type safe ways to express generic functionality, as opposed to totally untypesafe ways

# ? May 22, 2015 07:42

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

I dunno pram, I'm not really sure that's better than

C++ code:

#include <iostream>

template <typename A, typename B>
auto multiply(A a, B b) {
    return a*b;
}

int main()
{
   std::cout << multiply(5, 2.3) << std::endl; 
}

code:

main = do
    let a = multiply 4294967296 4294967296
        b = multiply 5 2.3
    putStrLn $ show a
    putStrLn $ show b

multiply :: Num a => a -> a -> a
multiply = (*)

# ? May 22, 2015 07:46

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

VikingofRock posted:

I dunno pram, I'm not really sure that's better than

C++ code:

#include <iostream>

template <typename A, typename B>
auto multiply(A a, B b) {
    return a*b;
}

int main()
{
   std::cout << multiply(5, 2.3) << std::endl; 
}

code:

main = do
    let a = multiply 4294967296 4294967296
        b = multiply 5 2.3
    putStrLn $ show a
    putStrLn $ show b

multiply :: Num a => a -> a -> a
multiply = (*)

yeah but where are your unit tests???

# ? May 22, 2015 07:47

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

i mean if there was even just like, multiple dispatch

http://play.golang.org/p/gCslvwjdLp

but nope lol!!

# ? May 22, 2015 07:48

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

no the best solution is to pass around empty interfaces and then reflect on things as if you were writing ruby

# ? May 22, 2015 07:50

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

gos types system is like the worst type system i've ever seen

# ? May 22, 2015 07:50

abraham linksys: Sep 6, 2010

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

docker compose sucks tho

i use docker compose (actually we're still on fig) at work :smith:

# ? May 22, 2015 07:52

pram: Jun 10, 2001

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

i expect my language to offer type safe ways to express generic functionality, as opposed to totally untypesafe ways

its type safe if you execute it :grin:

# ? May 22, 2015 07:58

pram: Jun 10, 2001

i will relent. other languages may very well be better suited for multiplying numbers

# ? May 22, 2015 07:59

pram: Jun 10, 2001

but heres the thing: that c++ program took 12 hours to compile and has a bunch of dynamically linked library dependencies. suck it nerds

# ? May 22, 2015 08:01

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

pram posted:

but heres the thing: that c++ program took 12 hours to compile and has a bunch of dynamically linked library dependencies. suck it nerds

2008 called etc

# ? May 22, 2015 08:05

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

go compiles quickly because it doesn't have to link to any libraries because no one has written any useful libraries for go

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pram: Jun 10, 2001

there are actually a lot. ive been using this one lately

https://github.com/koding/kite

also bash doesnt do floating point, what a piece of poo poo

expr 2.3 \* 3
expr: not a decimal number: '2.3'

# ? May 22, 2015 08:10

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