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cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


Invalid Octopus posted:

Omg just get the lil baby boy rats already.

YEAH I'm GONNA DO IT

Big Bug Hug posted:

I am guessing they'd be fine as long as they are never forced to be in close proximity to the ferrets. I think if you get them as babies they adjust pretty well to anything. Maybe you can move them further apart?

The ferret will want to eat your rats though, so be careful it can't get to their cage. I know how crafty those tube snakes are.

Oh, she's in a different room altogether. She's very eager to be in my room because my boyfriend leaves glasses of water next to the bed and for some reason she likes drinking his old water, but other than that, it's very easy to lock her out.

I will keep you guys updated. I will call the shelter tomorrow.

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GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

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Big Bug Hug posted:

Good question. A lot of people say they get stressed by cats being around, but mine never cared.

I think mine get freaked out when I come in after petting a cat but they've never actually shown signs of distress.

killerwhat
May 13, 2010

cash crab posted:

YEAH I'm GONNA DO IT

Don't get 2 rats, having only 2 is boring. 3 or 4 is much better so you can watch them all interacting and sleeping in a pile together.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

The bigger a sleeping ratty pile is the better.

EDIT:
Not mine but I wanted to share:

Life is great when your best friend is also your sleepy blanket.

Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Apr 10, 2015

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
There's something about a rat pile. It's about the happiest looking thing I've ever seen. They look so comfy :3:

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Patchouli Patrol
Nov 11, 2007

Especially when they pile into what essentially is garbage and ignore their expensive/hand-made sleeping options




(Yes, that is seven rats in one half-destroyed cakebox)

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
Rats and cats have that in common, if presented with the choice of an expensive cloth bed and a cardboard box they'll hit up the box every time. A friend of mine has one of these
trussed up in the cage with zip ties and the rats favor the bucket over any of the fancy hammocks in cute shapes

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
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My rats destroy whatever they sleep in anyways so I just toss an old soda/kleenex box in their cage every week. They love cardboard.

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
Mine go nuts for paper bags too. I have a hard time getting one fully in the cage before they pile into it.

A Wry Smile
Jul 19, 2014

Well, at least now it's over.
What can we do about these rats? About a year ago, my friend got convinced that taking care of pets would be good for her responsibility, so she got a couple rat sisters. She quickly discovered that she's terribly allergic to them, which means they've spent most of their time under her care sitting in their outside cage on her balcony. They do get the basic necessities (water, kibble, fresh bedding) but very little love or human interaction. They're really sweet rats, and I sit and talk to them when I can (and they usually come out and listen politely while clinging desperately to the bars of their cage), but it's a tough situation because she knows she can't really be a good rat mama, and it also seems unlikely that we'd be able to find a suitable home for a couple of adult rats that are totally unused to being handled. Do you guys have any good ideas on what I can do to help in this situation?

A Wry Smile fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Apr 11, 2015

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

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God, I am allergic to my rats as well. :smith: Like super bad. One scratch and I break out, plus the fact that I can't breath out my nose in my own house. But I don't care. Their life is far shorter than mine so I can tough it out for another year or two. I probably wont ever get more rats but I'm giving these two the best I can give. I give them baths every other week or so to keep their dander down and let them crawl on my bed and play with toys. They kinda don't like leaving their cage anyways, which is weird, but a plus I guess. I get scratches and they swell but they go away after an hour or so so they don't bother me too much. And I just taught them to go from one cage to the other when it's cage cleaning day so I don't have to get scratched trying to pick them up. :3: One rat's fine with me picking him up and carrying him, but his brother hate hate hates being picked up. Plus the fucker keeps his claws extra sharp so he can royally gently caress up my arms and hands. But I wouldn't give up that feeling I get when I wake up in the morning and see them running about. :unsmith:

My condolences about your friend's situation though. My situation may or may not be as bad as her's so I can't really give any advice aside from what my own experience is like. Hopefully her rats are happy at least.

Invalid Octopus
Jun 30, 2008

When is dinner?

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

God, I am allergic to my rats as well. :smith: Like super bad. One scratch and I break out, plus the fact that I can't breath out my nose in my own house. But I don't care. Their life is far shorter than mine so I can tough it out for another year or two. I probably wont ever get more rats but I'm giving these two the best I can give. I give them baths every other week or so to keep their dander down and let them crawl on my bed and play with toys. They kinda don't like leaving their cage anyways, which is weird, but a plus I guess. I get scratches and they swell but they go away after an hour or so so they don't bother me too much. And I just taught them to go from one cage to the other when it's cage cleaning day so I don't have to get scratched trying to pick them up. :3: One rat's fine with me picking him up and carrying him, but his brother hate hate hates being picked up. Plus the fucker keeps his claws extra sharp so he can royally gently caress up my arms and hands. But I wouldn't give up that feeling I get when I wake up in the morning and see them running about. :unsmith:

My condolences about your friend's situation though. My situation may or may not be as bad as her's so I can't really give any advice aside from what my own experience is like. Hopefully her rats are happy at least.

It's not too difficult to trim rat nails, which might make things a little easier for you.

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]
Hi there folks! First time rat owner here. Bought two cute female rats at the pet store yesterday and a ferret cage (woman working there said it was perfect size for two rats) along with the regular food etc! :swoon: So far they both seem really lovely and pretty different in their behaviors. One of them is a bit slower and loves to come and say hi and get out of the cage and play etc, while the other one seems a bit more cautious and jittery(?) in her movements. She takes a bit more time to warm up, but eventually joins the fun. Had a playtime in my bed with both of them @ 6AM this morning (ended up with a couple of :poop: 's in my bed, so probably not gonna do that again!) and I think I'm in love.

Took a few (bad) videos earlier if anyone's interested:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6247443/misc/ratvid1.mov
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6247443/misc/ratvid2.mov
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6247443/misc/ratvid3.mov

I think the woman in the shop said they were about 1 month old, does that look right? Here's a pic of the cage and a lil' rat sleepin' in a hammock. :love:




Later!

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

They're adorable! Do you have names yet?

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

Falstaff posted:

They're adorable! Do you have names yet?

I agree! :3
Still working on the names...

Freakbox
Dec 22, 2009

"And Tomorrow I can get Scared Another Day..."

Granbar posted:

I agree! :3
Still working on the names...

The Marquis de Squeak and Princess Pinktoes. :3: *slides back into lurking*

sadus
Apr 5, 2004

Big Bug Hug posted:

There's something about a rat pile. It's about the happiest looking thing I've ever seen. They look so comfy :3:



Most of them anyway - clearly we approve ;-)

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

Freakbox posted:

The Marquis de Squeak and Princess Pinktoes. :3: *slides back into lurking*

Hahah... Actually, a 10 year-old named the black 'n white one 'Oreo'! Think I'm gonna go with that. :]

EDIT: Here's a pic of Oreo trying to chill, only to be smushed by [UNNAMED TERROR RAT] as soon as I got my camera out:

Zam Wesell fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 13, 2015

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

RIP Chimay

Went downhill a lot over the last couple of weeks. Lost weight, struggled with her back legs, horrible breathing issues all the time, massive tumour got massiver. 2 years and 10 months, not bad for a little rat at all.

It was definitely expected, but still very sad. Stupid short-lived things.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Because I killed this thread like I killed my beloved rat and because rodent owners are capricious and forgetful, two more rats are on their way at the weekend. Pictures will be delivered.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Granbar posted:

EDIT: Here's a pic of Oreo trying to chill, only to be smushed by [UNNAMED TERROR RAT] as soon as I got my camera out:



If there's one thing that's certain about rats is that the concept of personal space is absolutely inconceivable to them.

Patchouli Patrol
Nov 11, 2007

Jack Trades posted:

If there's one thing that's certain about rats is that the concept of personal space is absolutely inconceivable to them.

Your personal bubble is where they like to pee.

funny song about politics
Feb 11, 2002
Here are Lucy and Taco, they're a few months over two years old and generally very happy, active female rats.



Lucy is a black eyed white blessed with excellent health and a calm, if slightly timid disposition. Taco has more of a hooded/mottled coat, and she's a great deal more active and exploratory than Lucy. The two of them make a very happy pair.

Taco, however, has had skin problems for quite a while now, and we have tried nearly everything to get rid of them. We know that mites are the most common cause of these sorts of things, and we've treated both rats with Revolution (twice) and Ivermectin (currently on the third round of treatment), as well as antibiotics, and just about everything else. All this time Lucy has shown no signs of irritation or itchiness. We've also looked at diet, and now the only food we give them is Oxbow Regal Rat, plus I give Taco 5 ml of Ensure daily with meloxicam from time to time to keep her strength up and hopefully relieve some of the irritation.

Taco's skin problems come and go, and sometimes for no obvious reason she'll very nearly get completely better, then decline again. Right now it's very bad. I just took this picture today:



Can anyone think of anything we've missed? Or maybe some kind of way to at least ease her itchiness? She's such a happy rat otherwise, but this is really depressing.

Invalid Octopus
Jun 30, 2008

When is dinner?
Might be a bit obvious, but we're you careful about treating the environment while treating her for mites? Freezing bedding, washing everything, vacuuming, etc. One of my girls has had some signs of mites on the back of her ears for a bit now, and the other doesn't show anything.


Speaking of mine. Down to two now. But after some conversations with my BF we've decided to get them spayed and then get a boy or two.

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Mar 7, 2010

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I just bought a new hammock for my boys and they take turns sleeping in it. :3:

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
How do I get my rat to stop biting his brother? One of them has got little scabs all over his back and I think its because his brother is biting him but I have no idea how to get him to quit, I want to avoid separating them since they're littermates that have literally never spent a day apart.

Patchouli Patrol
Nov 11, 2007

It's more likely to be lice or mites.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Patchouli Patrol posted:

It's more likely to be lice or mites.

If only one of them has it? I've checked for bugs and havent noticed anything.

Invalid Octopus
Jun 30, 2008

When is dinner?

Bismuth posted:

If only one of them has it? I've checked for bugs and havent noticed anything.

Yeah she's right. If you're not seeing the one attacking and doing damage to the other, then parasites are much more likely. One of mine (couple posts up) just had some scabbing on the backs of her ears, but couldn't see bugs on either of them (and the other had no scabbing or anything). Dosed them both up with ivermectin on Tuesday and her ears are already nearly clear. Keep in mind, if you ever suspect parasites you need to treat the rats AND their cage – wash everything, freeze what you can't wash.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Invalid Octopus posted:

Yeah she's right. If you're not seeing the one attacking and doing damage to the other, then parasites are much more likely. One of mine (couple posts up) just had some scabbing on the backs of her ears, but couldn't see bugs on either of them (and the other had no scabbing or anything). Dosed them both up with ivermectin on Tuesday and her ears are already nearly clear. Keep in mind, if you ever suspect parasites you need to treat the rats AND their cage – wash everything, freeze what you can't wash.

Alright, will-do. Only had rats get fleas once before and it kind of came out of nowhere so wasnt really thinking about it

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
Yep, totally possible for one rat out of a cage full to have mites. They sometimes pick on the ones with low immune systems, but not always.

eggburger
Jan 16, 2014
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eggburger fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Oct 26, 2022

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

I'm sure this thread would have been fine to ask questions in. Big posts aren't that big a deal, there have been plenty of them from the start of the thread.


So, have any of you fellow rat lovers ever seen this video? Some scientists wanted to find out how close the domesticated variety of rat is to their wild cousins, instinct-wise, so they released 50 lab rats into an enclosed outdoor area and followed their progress as they established a colony. It's pretty interesting! I've noticed a lot of rat lovers frequently make excuses for their pets, along the lines of "Oh, well, they're domesticated - it's very different than wild rats." I've been guilty of this myself, in the past. Since seeing this, though, I can't really do that anymore since they're much closer than I'd thought.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Falstaff posted:

I'm sure this thread would have been fine to ask questions in. Big posts aren't that big a deal, there have been plenty of them from the start of the thread.


So, have any of you fellow rat lovers ever seen this video? Some scientists wanted to find out how close the domesticated variety of rat is to their wild cousins, instinct-wise, so they released 50 lab rats into an enclosed outdoor area and followed their progress as they established a colony. It's pretty interesting! I've noticed a lot of rat lovers frequently make excuses for their pets, along the lines of "Oh, well, they're domesticated - it's very different than wild rats." I've been guilty of this myself, in the past. Since seeing this, though, I can't really do that anymore since they're much closer than I'd thought.

To be fair you dont see many dumbo rexes running around New York alleyways

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

It's unfortunate how all rat communities are naturally filled with so many sad stories. Ratties get sick so easily.

C'mon, science! We need genetically engineered super-rats the size of a Labrador that would live forever...and err...maybe make them not go for my electronics first when looking for stuff to chew on, while you're at it, science.

ShiroTheSniper
Mar 19, 2009

I see dead arrows.
Lipstick Apathy
Hi!

My girlfriend has 2 adults rats (females, sisters).

Considering:
To have a cat.

Thinking:
About having an adult male house cat (about 2 years old). We think it should be less inclined to hunt than a female and should be less playfull than a kitten.

Setup:
The cage will be in a closed room when we're leaving the apartment and in plain sight (living room) when we're at home, the door shut with extra binder clips. When we will let the rats out on the couch, it will be on tight supervision.

Questionning:
How can we introduce the cat with the rats?

Extra information:
We bought the baby rats from a breeder who owned many dogs/cats in her house. So, the mother was in contact with cats (I dunno if it changes something).

Thanks alot! :)

EDIT: Don't know if I should post this in the cat thread too.

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
I introduced kittens to my rats easily - the rats were big enough in relation to the kittens, they quickly taught them respect. I've had zero problems in the 6 years I've owned both.

Personally I would be more worried about introducing an adult cat, especially if you don't know its hunting habits. Sone cats are obsessed with hunting, others couldn't give a drat.

That said, I'm sure under those arrangements you can make it work. They might not ever play nicely together, but the rats should be safe in the cage . Any kitty paws coming too close will regret it.

I would only introduce them outside the cage once you know the cat is relatively chill with the rats, and if the rats don't freak out when kitty comes near. Just let them out on the coucb together and make sure the rats have hidey places. Be careful if they run, it can trigger a cat to swat at them. I remember that much, and even though my kittens were playing, an adult cat might be more serious.

Thats just my experience, others might disagree!

Big Bug Hug fucked around with this message at 16:08 on May 25, 2015

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

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I just felt a small bump on one of my rat's backs. It's right on top of his spine so I might just be feeling that but it felt different. God I hope it's not a tumor. :ohdear:

Invalid Octopus
Jun 30, 2008

When is dinner?

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

I just felt a small bump on one of my rat's backs. It's right on top of his spine so I might just be feeling that but it felt different. God I hope it's not a tumor. :ohdear:

Could be a cyst or something.

I bought a couple rats last night. Picking them up tonight from the breeder (Atlantis Rattery/Exquisite Exotics). Since people kept asking, the gems are to indicate sex. So they'll be separate from the girls til we can get them in for a ball chop.

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Mar 7, 2010

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God I hope it's a cyst.

Also, you should just tell people those gems are rat eggs.

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