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RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back

Esroc posted:

Yeah, if you don't finish the quest and let it sit in your journal forever. By that logic the conclave technically doesn't go nuclear if you never click "new game" at the main menu.

What? No I choose the option to leave him and never heard anything else about it and had no quest in my quest log about it.

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

DoubleNegative posted:

Golden Sun is not an inversion of that idea. If I remember right sometime in the second game there's a twist where you actually find out that not having done anything is the correct choice and the world is only put in jeopardy because you went on your journey in the first place.

I could also be misremembering. The Golden Sun games had a bad habit of rewriting history to suit the story writer's current needs.
You're sort of remembering right. That was their intention, but the writing is so terrible and incoherent that it's hard to say what anyone's goals were or what happened.

im pooping!
Nov 17, 2006


The little thing dragging Golden Sun 2 down was they didn't release Golden Sun 3 on GBA and I leveled up my entire party to 99 for nothing aside from link battles, which are so retarded against another level 99 person that you have to intentionally gimp yourself by restricting the use of certain djinn or the battles last indefinitely.

Plebian Parasite
Oct 12, 2012

DoubleNegative posted:

Golden Sun is not an inversion of that idea.
In general it isn't, but that particular scene is.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
The Witcher 3 continues the series' disappointing trend of "here's some NUDITY look at this nudity aren't we progressive?? the characters are having sex. no but like look at them have sex. everyone wants to have sex with your sex god main character." Like, thanks but no thanks guys, I play this game in a room where other people sometimes wander by and I am already embarrassed enough that I am doing so without that added element present.

edit: Although from a Youtube vid I've seen Geralt gets totally owned if you try to bone Triss and Yennefer and has to be bailed out by Dandelion so at least they're self aware about it I guess.

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Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

CJacobs posted:

The Witcher 3 continues the series' disappointing trend of "here's some NUDITY look at this nudity aren't we progressive?? the characters are having sex. no but like look at them have sex. everyone wants to have sex with your sex god main character." Like, thanks but no thanks guys, I play this game in a room where other people sometimes wander by and I am already embarrassed enough that I am doing so without that added element present.

A main draw of the Witcher is that the main character is sterile and disease-immune so he can gigolo his way across the land without fear of repercussion. It's trashy, but that's because it's a house built in a garbage dump, if you catch my meaning.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




im pooping! posted:

The little thing dragging Golden Sun 2 down was they didn't release Golden Sun 3 on GBA and I leveled up my entire party to 99 for nothing aside from link battles, which are so retarded against another level 99 person that you have to intentionally gimp yourself by restricting the use of certain djinn or the battles last indefinitely.

The thing dragging Golden Sun down is that their JRPG characters and the obvious plot twists are somehow shocking to these incredible simpletons. I bought and enjoyed Dark Sun/Dawn whatever it's called. It would've been nice with a cutscene skip or fast forward button since they managed to make them five minutes longer than they need to be. And it's all just talking straight through with some characters occasionally nodding.

In the first 'dungeons' of the game, when they're still trying to introduce you to how magic works you can try and move things along by doing them before the triggers hit and you get the stuff explained but it's no use! they'll still go through the tutorial even if you say you're fine!

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

CJacobs posted:

The Witcher 3 continues the series' disappointing trend of "here's some NUDITY look at this nudity aren't we progressive?? the characters are having sex. no but like look at them have sex. everyone wants to have sex with your sex god main character." Like, thanks but no thanks guys, I play this game in a room where other people sometimes wander by and I am already embarrassed enough that I am doing so without that added element present.

edit: Although from a Youtube vid I've seen Geralt gets totally owned if you try to bone Triss and Yennefer and has to be bailed out by Dandelion so at least they're self aware about it I guess.

*rappels into the room by crashing through the skylight ala James Bond*

GUYS THE WITCHER GAME HAS SEX IN IT

I AM DISPLEASED

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Alouicious posted:

*rappels into the room by crashing through the skylight ala James Bond*

GUYS THE WITCHER GAME HAS SEX IN IT

I AM DISPLEASED

I play video games to kill giant demon monsters with magic blood powers, not flick peasant clits because my guy just can't help but be ruggedly suave at all times

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

your first mistake is playing video games around other people

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

CJacobs posted:

I play video games to kill giant demon monsters with magic blood powers

But enough about sex scenes

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Alouicious posted:

your first mistake is playing video games around other people

Very true. And at least it's not like God of War where there are comical sex scene QTEs.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

I just wish games would make up their minds and either present sex in a de-sensationalized, legitimately mature context (Wolf TNO), pure shameless schlock (DOA) or just not do it at all. Just stop showing me Skinemax and telling me it's mature and adult. If you want to have titillation in your game, loving own it, don't hide behind pretension, and loving especially don't act like your wank fodder somehow makes the game more mature.

I think that's the specific combination that rubs so many people the wrong way: art is cool, and porn is cool, sexy art is cool and pretentious porn is pitiable, but art that thinks that adding porn makes it more artful is just juvenile. Literally juvenile. It's how a teenager thinks of sex, in games made by people mostly in their thirties.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

CJacobs posted:

Very true. And at least it's not like God of War where there are comical sex scene QTEs.

The sudden disgust on Aphrodite's handmaidens' faces if you botch that QTE is solid gold.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Oxxidation posted:

A main draw of the Witcher is that the main character is sterile and disease-immune so he can gigolo his way across the land without fear of repercussion. It's trashy, but that's because it's a house built in a garbage dump, if you catch my meaning.

If Geralt was real, women would be lining up around the block to have sex with him. So despite being written as a juvenile fantasy, it is at least understandable within the series's universe.

bewilderment
Nov 22, 2007
man what



RenegadeStyle1 posted:

What? No I choose the option to leave him and never heard anything else about it and had no quest in my quest log about it.

Yup. For that character, if you don't resolve their quest, then in the postgame they're gone forever because you missed your window of opportunity to deal with their issue and they've been executed.

I mean I guess if you really wanted to execute him yourself then you can be mad that you don't get to do that, but that's what local law enforcement is for!

Szurumbur
Feb 17, 2011
I didn't really ever get the idea that The Witcher devs were thinking themselves progressive or mature for including sex scenes and nudity, it was always so matter-of-factly "two (or more) people want to have sex, have at it". It's just a part of life.

Mildly Amusing
May 2, 2012

room temperature
I remember playing Witcher 2 and some lady character tried to seduce me. Ruined my immersion for the rest of the game.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Sex in video games is just like my sexual experiences in real life since everything fades to black before the thing actually happens. Ugh.

Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
Dinosaur Gum

Mildly Amusing posted:

I remember playing Witcher 2 and some lady character tried to seduce me. Ruined my immersion for the rest of the game.

You're missing the point, games should be different from real life for you, the player

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Szurumbur posted:

I didn't really ever get the idea that The Witcher devs were thinking themselves progressive or mature for including sex scenes and nudity, it was always so matter-of-factly "two (or more) people want to have sex, have at it". It's just a part of life.

Yea but you see people might see me playing the game and I'm already embarrassed to be playing videogames in the first place. :downs:

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Alteisen posted:

Yea but you see people might see me playing the game and I'm already embarrassed to be playing videogames in the first place. :downs:

Video games are not easy to explain to your grandmother, I do not need to add another thing to explain onto the pile

edit: This is why I should've gotten the game on PC, because then I could be embarrassed about the shoehorned-in sex scenes in the privacy of my room

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Witcher 3 is rapidly approaching Dark Souls' reaction time when someone criticizes it.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

poptart_fairy posted:

Witcher 3 is rapidly approaching Dark Souls' reaction time when someone criticizes it.

nobody even obliquely mentioned gamergate, go away

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
For as perfect as everyone makes Dark Souls out to be it doesn't let you gently caress your way through the world. Thats a major downside imo.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




DStecks posted:

I just wish games would make up their minds and either present sex in a de-sensationalized, legitimately mature context (Wolf TNO), pure shameless schlock (DOA) or just not do it at all. Just stop showing me Skinemax and telling me it's mature and adult. If you want to have titillation in your game, loving own it, don't hide behind pretension, and loving especially don't act like your wank fodder somehow makes the game more mature.

I think that's the specific combination that rubs so many people the wrong way: art is cool, and porn is cool, sexy art is cool and pretentious porn is pitiable, but art that thinks that adding porn makes it more artful is just juvenile. Literally juvenile. It's how a teenager thinks of sex, in games made by people mostly in their thirties.

quote:

I just kinda think: There's so much porn in this world, why do we have to sexualize even things that aren't porn while pretending it's definitely not porn and not to be masturbated to, what are you talking about, don't be silly. Y'know, like how there's a secret, plot-related justification that Quiet is dressed in a bikini for a war and that when we find out why this mute sex thing is the way she is we "will be ashamed of [our] words and deeds." Sure. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. I will be incredibly surprised/impressed if there's a real, justifiable plot reason that Quiet has her titties hanging out, even though Kojima was quoted as designing her with cosplayers in mind, so he can see more sexy cosplayers. Surrrreeeeeeee. I'm sure the boobies will be a very important plot point.

It's just such a hilarious lie that people are pretending there's a reason for this all besides "I want my dick to like this videogame too."

Every game needs a little porn in it now unless it's a JRPG, made by Nintendo, or LEGO I guess.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Leal posted:

For as perfect as everyone makes Dark Souls out to be it doesn't let you gently caress your way through the world. Thats a major downside imo.

try tongue but hole

edit: I should mention I guess that I do really like the game. It's just that the dead-eyed jiggly mocap creatures made out of triangles don't exactly make sex look convincing or show to me that it's a useful inclusion. In fact that's really one of the only things about it I DON'T like so far, almost everything else is an improvement over the second one. :shrug:

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poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Pretty much. The sex stuff simply appears to be there for fan service more than anything - that's fine but seeing the fanbase try to slap on some pseudo-intellectual bollocks about character development and realism is funny.

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

CJacobs posted:

Video games are not easy to explain to your grandmother, I do not need to add another thing to explain onto the pile

edit: This is why I should've gotten the game on PC, because then I could be embarrassed about the shoehorned-in sex scenes in the privacy of my room

childe problems itt

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

I'm fine with sex in video games. Witcher isa little really extremely gratuitous with it, but trying to flesh out your characters are fully-fledged people generally requires that you have some boning involved.

The thing that annoys the poo poo out of me is the 'armor' that allows for giant gratuitous cleavage. I mean, :goonsay: and all but loving really? What the gently caress is the point of a piece of armor if it doesn't actually cover the vital areas of your body, like your heart or lungs? I'm really waiting for a video game to make a running gag out of cleavage armor backfiring.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




A White Guy posted:

I'm fine with sex in video games. Witcher isa little really extremely gratuitous with it, but trying to flesh out your characters are fully-fledged people generally requires that you have some boning involved.

The thing that annoys the poo poo out of me is the 'armor' that allows for giant gratuitous cleavage. I mean, :goonsay: and all but loving really? What the gently caress is the point of a piece of armor if it doesn't actually cover the vital areas of your body, like your heart or lungs? I'm really waiting for a video game to make a running gag out of cleavage armor backfiring.

The only place cleavage windows have in clothing is when you're trying to be fashionable or a Jojo.



And that's kinda the same thing at most times. But yeah, armor that ever seems to cover less depending on who's supposed to be wearing it irks me too.

What'd make the Souls series amazing but impossible to have PVP would be if there were a tool that let you transfer stats from different armors so you can just wear whatever you want without having to sacrifice defense to do it.

Hunky Joe
Dec 21, 2005

I'll fight crime when I feel like it...

CJacobs posted:

The Witcher 3 continues the series' disappointing trend of "here's some NUDITY look at this nudity aren't we progressive?? the characters are having sex. no but like look at them have sex. everyone wants to have sex with your sex god main character." Like, thanks but no thanks guys, I play this game in a room where other people sometimes wander by and I am already embarrassed enough that I am doing so without that added element present.

edit: Although from a Youtube vid I've seen Geralt gets totally owned if you try to bone Triss and Yennefer and has to be bailed out by Dandelion so at least they're self aware about it I guess.

Why are you engaging in the sex scenes though? You do know you can just deny the people. Kiera's side quest allows you to turn her down. So really it's the player's choice of what to see and guess what? You chose to see two characters have sex. So don't blame the game.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


A White Guy posted:

I'm fine with sex in video games. Witcher isa little really extremely gratuitous with it, but trying to flesh out your characters are fully-fledged people generally requires that you have some boning involved.

The thing that annoys the poo poo out of me is the 'armor' that allows for giant gratuitous cleavage. I mean, :goonsay: and all but loving really? What the gently caress is the point of a piece of armor if it doesn't actually cover the vital areas of your body, like your heart or lungs? I'm really waiting for a video game to make a running gag out of cleavage armor backfiring.

Roche makes fun of Ves for wearing basically nothing in witcher 3 so at least they're self aware I guess.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Contrecoup posted:

All bad things that happen in games are entirely because you choose to advance the plot. Otherwise the villain is happy to just kind of hang out while you play blitzball or seduce and elf or whatever. Who's the real bad guy?
Introversion's Hollywood hacking simulator Uplink doesn't. The plot doesn't give a gently caress and plods along without you if you don't get your poo poo together.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
I sure wish there was less sex in my fantasy games - it's distracting and creepy because

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Lord Lambeth posted:

Roche makes fun of Ves for wearing basically nothing in witcher 3 so at least they're self aware I guess.

A number of games recognize when they put their female characters in nonsensical outfits and it really doesn't make it any better. It's a bit like when games try to have some kind of genre commentary by saying "heh, isn't it annoying and dumb when games make you do this thing? Now we'll drive in the point...by making you do the thing anyway!! Commentary!" Recognizing you're doing something dumb doesn't make it any less dumb.

The series has come a long way but let's not forget that the first game literally gave you a collectible sex card of every character you hosed. There is absolutely no way that was anything but shameless pandering, and that's what witcher 2 and 3 are building from. (disclaimer: I've only played 2 and thought it was not bad)

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
DA:I did the same thing by having a character gush over someone else was wearing "practical" armour. It's a bit weird to give your characters massive tit windows and steel heels then mock how impractical they are, guys.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Croccers posted:

Introversion's Hollywood hacking simulator Uplink doesn't. The plot doesn't give a gently caress and plods along without you if you don't get your poo poo together.

I used to love that game, but holy poo poo something about the UI has made it nearly unplayable for me these days.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Oh man I love Pokemon Conquest but everything in it is so... loving... slow...
The best part is that you can speed certain things up in the options, but only for what few things are fast enough normally, and sped up it just looks like you've used emulator speed-up, ie janky as poo poo.

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The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Phlegmish posted:

If Geralt was real, women would be lining up around the block to have sex with him. So despite being written as a juvenile fantasy, it is at least understandable within the series's universe.

lol what no

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