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Fabricated posted:Since the Hero Killer has been contacted by the Villain Alliance guys I guess we're probably getting to the All Might death arc sooner than I thought. It's a superhero homage. If All Might dies he'll come back as a villain somehow. Also Deku will lose an arm for some reason.
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Soylentbits posted:It's a superhero homage. If All Might dies he'll come back as a villain somehow. Also Deku will lose an arm for some reason. I'm sorry, what are you basing that on exactly? I'm trying to think of heroes that've died and come back as villains and outside of the Black Lanterns nothing is springing to mind. I'm sure it's happened on occasion, I just don't think it's nearly as often as you seem to be implying to say that Horikoshi will homage it with All Might. More often it's that death is just undone and the hero resurrected if we're talking Western comics. Superman, Batman, Spider-man and so on - they've all died, they've all come back like it never happened, which please god, won't happen here. Besides which, it wouldn't make sense to happen. If All Might died and then came back, he'd have no powers, because Deku would have full control of One for All at that point and there's nothing to indicate the link goes two ways to say that zombie All Might would be able to wrest some/all of it back.
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May 25, 2015 21:04
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May 25, 2015 21:07
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Time skips. Don't you just love how despite they're supposed to bring the fights closer most of time you're also stuck in a flashback too. Basically rendering the time skip pointless since the plot people are having the characterization bouncing everywhere and the action guys are having the sequences broken up by said flashbacks.
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May 25, 2015 21:36
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Fabricated posted:Also my kingdom to Horikoshi if he can do this whole manga without a significant timeskip. Please, dear god, no timeskips. They're really really bad in shounen and everyone needs to stop doing them. I think they work okay in Dragonball.
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May 26, 2015 00:45
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I'd be fine with a collection of smaller scale time skips that add up and suddenly Deku is taller than Kacchan.
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May 26, 2015 00:51
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I like Deku being on the smaller, scrawnier side to be honest. It really cements his status as the underdog in a universe where most people in a vacuum would probably think they were better than him. Even after he grows up, I'm still kinda hoping he retains his size and shape relative to the rest of the cast (rather than hulking out All Might-style).
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May 26, 2015 01:07
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Prison Warden posted:I think they work okay in Dragonball. One Piece had a good one too, as did Naruto I suppose. I actually like time skips though personally, since I love seeing character's grow up, change and so on. Especially so if we get to see the cast moving on and new characters introduced. It's why StrikerS is my favorite season of Nanoha. I wish more things did time skips, not less like most people seem to. Bad Seafood posted:I like Deku being on the smaller, scrawnier side to be honest. It really cements his status as the underdog in a universe where most people in a vacuum would probably think they were better than him. Why? He's going to be the very opposite of an underdog in a few years time and will actually be better, or at least more powerful than just about everyone. There's no point cementing a thing visually if it's not actually true.
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May 26, 2015 01:40
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make Deku the John Cena of Shounen Manga. "How will Deku ever overcome these odds, given his small frame and stature! Truly, there has never been more of an ultimate underdog then Deku!'
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May 26, 2015 01:46
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tsob posted:One Piece had a good one too, as did Naruto I suppose. I actually like time skips though personally, since I love seeing character's grow up, change and so on. Especially so if we get to see the cast moving on and new characters introduced. It's why StrikerS is my favorite season of Nanoha. I wish more things did time skips, not less like most people seem to. I think most people dislike time skips because they're almost always poorly executed, and the few times they aren't they're basically just a new series.
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May 26, 2015 01:51
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chumbler posted:I think most people dislike time skips because they're almost always poorly executed, and the few times they aren't they're basically just a new series. While they're almost always poorly executed in shounen manga, I don't think the concept is inherently bad. I mean, how else are you supposed to tell a story that takes place over more than a couple years?
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May 26, 2015 02:04
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Slowly and painstakingly. But really, this manga already had a few timeskips with Deku's 10 month training plan and the three or so weeks leading up to the athletic festival. Although I think those are more montage than timeskip. If there is going to be a legit timeskip, I think there's still going to be a few panels showing what happened in the meantime. Level Slide fucked around with this message at 02:11 on May 26, 2015 |
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May 26, 2015 02:06
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tsob posted:One Piece had a good one too, as did Naruto I suppose. I actually like time skips though personally, since I love seeing character's grow up, change and so on. Especially so if we get to see the cast moving on and new characters introduced. It's why StrikerS is my favorite season of Nanoha. I wish more things did time skips, not less like most people seem to. I kinda prefer just watching characters grow/change more naturally than suddenly going ~2 years later!~ and now we have to re-introduce everyone and their stupid new designs and their new powers. And then do the stupid "Here's some dudes who would've been tough before but are now mooks for the goodguys to trounce to let you know, man they've really gotten strong!" poo poo before you conjure more powerful badguys that they'll have to struggle with...which means nothing has really changed. When you know, could've just not done the loving timeskip in the first place and figured out how to pace your story better.
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May 26, 2015 02:48
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tsob posted:I'm sorry, what are you basing that on exactly? I'm trying to think of heroes that've died and come back as villains and outside of the Black Lanterns nothing is springing to mind. I'm sure it's happened on occasion, I just don't think it's nearly as often as you seem to be implying to say that Horikoshi will homage it with All Might. More often it's that death is just undone and the hero resurrected if we're talking Western comics. Superman, Batman, Spider-man and so on - they've all died, they've all come back like it never happened, which please god, won't happen here. Wolverine for the Hand. Phoenix. Ant-Man in Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Kid Loki. All zombie comics. Every live action Marvel event has ended this season with a missing hand. Honestly I really didn't put much thought into this except that the main villain in this series collects hands and one appears to be his father's. I just figured he would collect somebody's hands at some point and that the person behind the hand guy would probably fashion another meat puppet out of All Might's corpse.
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May 26, 2015 02:59
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tsob posted:Why? He's going to be the very opposite of an underdog in a few years time and will actually be better, or at least more powerful than just about everyone. There's no point cementing a thing visually if it's not actually true. Nothing about Deku stands out as particularly impressive, which is what makes it so satisfying when he surprises everyone. Rather than some everyman with whom the reader is expected to identify, he's someone who's got it worse than the everyman. We sympathize with him not because we know what he's going through but because he's got it worse than we do. Even now that his lot in life has improved, it's still an uphill struggle as he works to master something everyone else can just do naturally. Let's take a break from Deku though to talk about All Might. All Might who's got it all. He's big and strong and charismatic and cool and always there to save the day. In theory, anyway. There's actually quite a few times he isn't, due to his deteriorating health (which makes sense). Beyond being physically incapacitated however, he's also shown to be skittish around people discovering his secret. As the world's No. 1 hero, the Symbol of Peace, he can't allow himself to be seen in such a state. What would people think? What would they believe in? As such, he's afraid to exhibit weakness. It's when he's most scared that he laughs, after all. I actually think this is a character flaw of All Might's which Deku is uniquely suited to correcting. I like Superman, but one of the reasons a lot of people don't is because he's too perfect. Strong, smart, and handsome, he's a super-powered moral exemplar; an impossible ideal most of us could never obtain. Of course we don't have to, the point is to do what you can, but a lot of people get lead astray by that nonetheless. The world likes having All Might around because he's a nice guy to have around, but I imagine on a personal level a lot of people regard him as an illusory dream, a man born lucky. That he was born quirkless, that he himself had to strive for greatness, is a closely-guarded secret. I don't think Deku is afraid to appear weak in the same way that All Might is, though he's certainly afraid of a lot of other things. My prediction (and preference) then is that even as he comes into his own over the course of the story, he shouldn't shed his "Unremarkable" physical tells. Rather than adopting All Might's personality whole-sale, I think he (and the themes of the story) would be better served by being just as bold and courageous as his mentor while simultaneously exuding a more modest presence and humble confidence. Bad Seafood fucked around with this message at 03:06 on May 26, 2015 |
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May 26, 2015 03:03
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I kinda thought Midoriya's key element was that he's the epitome of selfless heroism- a trait which even the nicest people in his class don't have. Midoriya just instinctively wants to save people from trouble, probably because he's deeply empathetic. In the intro he sees the utter, pure existential terror of death in Bakugou's eyes and throws himself at a monster he has no chance of beating because understands the same feeling and can't bear to watch someone else go through it. He hears Todoroki's super hosed up story about his life, realizes that he is probably one of the few people on earth who could help him make a breakthrough- suddenly he could give a flying gently caress about winning the tournament and would rather lose and 'save' Todoroki than take a freebie win by letting him not use his fire. He has regrets about both of those decisions later but in those instants he just doesn't give a poo poo about his own life. And Horikoshi is a pretty good writer so far, so Midoriya's selflessness is shown as both a great and terrible thing. He's a -real- hero in every sense of the word, but that doesn't lend itself to a long life span. I imagine the fact that Midoriya is walking All Might's path to an early death is going to be a major thing down the line.
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You can have more than one key element. Most well-written characters do. Deku's selflessness is definitely the more important of the two, but I feel it's reinforced quite solidly by his underdoggedness. It's easy to be nice when you're on top. Bad Seafood fucked around with this message at 03:43 on May 26, 2015 |
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May 26, 2015 03:40
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Bad Seafood posted:You can have more than one key element. Most well-written characters do. When he starts seeing his lack of concern for himself (in the moment) is hurting the people who care about him it'll get interesting.
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May 26, 2015 03:46
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Stallion Cabana posted:make Deku the John Cena of Shounen Manga. That's perfect because then as soon as All-Might dies Deku can hand-gesture him and start going... "YOUR TIME IS UP MY TIME IS NOW! YOU CAN'T SEE ME..."
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May 26, 2015 03:47
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Fabricated posted:I think your original edit "When you have nothing to lose" is kinda correct too.
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May 26, 2015 03:51
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All this aside, Deku is not scrawny. Not in the slightest. Small, maybe, but he's pretty built. Which makes sense, since his training for things (as we've seen in the montages and stuff) is always things like weightlifting.
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May 26, 2015 04:09
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He's built, yeah, but lean. His clothes do a good job hiding his physique, which goes back to what I was saying about him looking one way at a glance but surprising people when given the opportunity. Scrawny may have been the wrong word, but you probably understood what I meant when I used it.
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Bad Seafood posted:He's built, yeah, but lean. His clothes do a good job hiding his physique, which goes back to what I was saying about him looking one way at a glance but surprising people when given the opportunity. Actually I didn't, hence the link; I've seen a lot of people forget that, even without One For All, Deku's actually pretty dang fit and strong. Not, like, bodybuilder-level or anything, but not just a skinny nerd either.
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May 26, 2015 04:40
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Roland Jones posted:I've seen a lot of people forget that
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May 26, 2015 04:42
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Has All Might ever told his real name to anyone onscreen? It might be nothing, because Endeavor, Black Mist, and a few other ancillary characters are only known by their stage name. That said, I think All Might is the kind of person to make people think that he's always All Might all the time, and that means no one must know his real name.
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May 26, 2015 04:49
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I think my wish for this manga is that eventually, Deku can activate his powers and turn into someone/something that can withstand the full strength of One For All, that looks like All Might, will run around as All Might, but no one will know it's actually Deku. And, that at first, he'll only be able to sustain it for a few seconds, with the duration growing slowly over time. ....of course, for the story to be good, that would mean that All Might is going to have to die soon, so....
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God I miss so many things the first time I run through a manga during my 'I'm totally obsessed gotta keep reading' phase. I just realised Eraserhead stopped Mr Hands from melting Tsuyu's skull during the USJ Ambush :T
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May 26, 2015 10:01
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Bad Seafood posted:My point exactly. Yeah he's exactly as strong as Bakugou when not using AfO.
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May 26, 2015 10:26
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And yet people don't "Forget" that Bakugou is strong on his own. Deku is strong and clever and capable. He's easily the equal of several of his more celebrated peers. Even so, his appearance and demeanor belies his ability. This is something I think will ultimately prove to be a strength and not a weakness, and what's more something that makes Deku Deku, so I'd rather not see it scrapped. Bad Seafood fucked around with this message at 10:51 on May 26, 2015 |
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May 26, 2015 10:41
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Just to contribute something, the guy from Class 1-B whose power is exactly the same as hardening guy's is called "Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu"... I haven't seen the kanji for his name, but I think his name might be "Steelsteel steelsteel". What a name.
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May 26, 2015 10:51
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You know, with all this analysis of Deku, All Might, and how both their characters work... I'm honestly starting to think they're less 'Superman', and more Captain Marvel. Or Shazam, if you only know recent versions.
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May 26, 2015 11:21
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Jintor posted:Just to contribute something, the guy from Class 1-B whose power is exactly the same as hardening guy's is called "Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu"... I haven't seen the kanji for his name, but I think his name might be "Steelsteel steelsteel". The kanji for his name is: 鉄 (the kanji for "iron", and pronounced "Tetsu") 哲 (the kanji for "clear", and also pronounced "Tetsu") 徹 (the kanji for "pierce", and again pronounced "Tetsu") 轍 (the kanji for "furrow", and pronounced - you guessed it - "Tetsu").
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Astro Nut posted:You know, with all this analysis of Deku, All Might, and how both their characters work... I hope All-Might isn't going to just be crushed by an overhanging rock falling on him once Deku finally has control of the power!
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May 26, 2015 12:26
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I'm reminded of the thing I saw about the name "Guy Chapman" basically being three different ways to say the word "bloke" strung together.
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May 26, 2015 12:33
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Man, assuming everybody still has their birth names, names are hilariously prescient. Maybe parents try and determine kid's quirks through names.
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May 26, 2015 12:52
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Jintor posted:Man, assuming everybody still has their birth names, names are hilariously prescient. This is a superhero story. Doctor Octopus' name is Otto Octavius. Rainbow Raider's name is Roy G. Bivolo
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Yeah but they're on like their 5th generation of quirks. Someone in-universe has probably noticed by now and is attempting to mould kids via names. "Quirks" is also probably the best name for powers that isn't powers that I've seen so far.
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I hope Endeavor thought of a REALLY COOL name to give his kid, and whenever someone was born they gave it that name but then the kid turned out bad so they had to keep giving the same name to different kids until they finally got it right.
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Terper posted:I hope Endeavor thought of a REALLY COOL name to give his kid, and whenever someone was born they gave it that name but then the kid turned out bad so they had to keep giving the same name to different kids until they finally got it right. Well, Todoroki's name DOES have characters for 'burned' and 'freezing', so I wouldn't be surprised if all his siblings share the same name, but with different readings.
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Bad Seafood posted:And yet people don't "Forget" that Bakugou is strong on his own. Well, he does his best to remind them! (Even his uniform is designed to show off his muscles in the same way that Deku's outfit hides his.) I'm really looking forward to Deku learning to be a Symbol of Peace for the world, or to him deciding that he doesn't need to be one. It's nice to feel confident enough in a manga's writing quality that I feel sure something satisfying will happen with this, for once.
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