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StandardVC10 posted:Of course Hans-Hermann Hoppe is on there. Well, he's a white supremacist, monarchist authoritarian. What more do you want? 
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StandardVC10 posted:Of course Hans-Hermann Hoppe is on there. HHH and Charles Murray being listed as peers of random bloggers like "hbd chick" and "Captain Capitalism" is just perfect, in the exact opposite way they intended.
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May 18, 2015 23:50
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Any new drama on the Sarkeesian Effect?
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May 20, 2015 06:13
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StandardVC10 posted:Of course Hans-Hermann Hoppe is on there. Who is this person, and what sort of posting does he do?
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May 20, 2015 07:45
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Wales Grey posted:Who is this person, and what sort of posting does he do?
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May 20, 2015 07:52
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TetsuoTW posted:Things that include "democracy is fundamentally broken, monarchy is the solution, but don't look at any actual current monarchies for evidence because they're mostly black people and black people are retarded." Also, "people tend to treat their own personal property with more respect than non-personal property. The entirely of a country is the property of an absolute monarch. Ergo, monarchism is the superior system." It's private property worship taken to its logical conclusion.
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May 20, 2015 08:21
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He's a guy so dumb that most libertarians won't have anything to do with him, including the former libertarian presidential candidate who advocated legalizing child pornography as a way to disincentivize its production.
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May 20, 2015 08:33
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Jack Gladney posted:He's a guy so dumb that most libertarians won't have anything to do with him, including the former libertarian presidential candidate who advocated legalizing child pornography as a way to disincentivize its production. Is the theory there that if child pornography already exists and is easy to get, no one will need to make more of it? If so, how do they explain regular porn continuing to be produced?
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May 20, 2015 09:48
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Tiggum posted:Is the theory there that if child pornography already exists and is easy to get, no one will need to make more of it? If so, how do they explain regular porn continuing to be produced? A man who already has some ivory is less likely to want more of it
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May 20, 2015 11:47
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Wales Grey posted:Who is this person, and what sort of posting does he do? What everyone else said, plus he came up with the astounding pile of fallacies known as Argumentation Ethics. In summary:
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May 20, 2015 12:30
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Nolanar posted:What everyone else said, plus he came up with the astounding pile of fallacies known as Argumentation Ethics. In summary: "I rebut it thusly!" *stabs HHH*
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May 20, 2015 12:44
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A Steampunk Gent posted:A man who already has some ivory is less likely to want more of it
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May 20, 2015 13:20
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What I love about Hans-Herman Hoppe is that while most Libertarians try to pretend that a world of pure free trade and no government would be a paradise where everybody's rich and well-armed and free, HHH straight-up admits that it would be a grim meathook future and demands that we accept a horrifying patchwork of dictatorships as the best of all possible worlds.
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May 20, 2015 13:27
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At least that Srinivasan guy taught at Stanford. Heil Hitler Hoppe was tenured faculty at UNLV for a long time, spreading his quasi-white supremacist, anti-government drivel.
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May 20, 2015 14:10
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You know what, gently caress it. It's Hoppe Time.quote:Private property capitalism and egalitarian multiculturalism are as unlikely a combination as socialism and cultural conservatism. And in trying to combine what cannot be combined, much of the modern libertarian movement actually contributed to the further erosion of private property rights (just as much of contemporary conservatism contributed to the erosion of families and traditional morals). What the countercultural libertarians failed to recognize, and what true libertarians cannot emphasize enough, is that the restoration of private property rights and laissez-faire economics implies a sharp and drastic increase in social “discrimination” and will swiftly eliminate most if not all of the multicultural-egalitarian life style experiments so close to the heart of left libertarians. In other words, libertarians must be radical and uncompromising conservatives. quote:In a covenant concluded among proprietor and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, no such thing as a right to free (unlimited) speech exists, not even to unlimited speech on one's own tenant-property. One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very purpose of the covenant of preserving and protecting private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order. quote:In every society, a few individuals acquire the status of an elite through talent. Due to superior achievements of wealth, wisdom, and bravery, these individuals come to possess natural authority, and their opinions and judgments enjoy wide-spread respect. Moreover, because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority are likely to be passed on within a few noble families. It is to the heads of these families with long-established records of superior achievement, farsightedness, and exemplary personal conduct that men turn to with their conflicts and complaints against each other. These leaders of the natural elite act as judges and peacemakers, often free of charge out of a sense of duty expected of a person of authority or out of concern for civil justice as a privately produced "public good." quote:Thereby, in order to illustrate one's theoretical conclusions, every attempt should be made to compare societies which, apart from the theoretical distinction under consideration, are as similar as possible. It would be an error, for instance, to illustrate my theory of comparative government by contrasting European monarchies with African democracies or African monarchies with European democracies. Since Caucasians have, on the average, a significantly lower degree of time preference than Negroids, any such comparison would amount to a systematic distortion of the evidence. By contrasting European monarchies to African democracies, the theoretically predicted differences between monarchical and democratic rule would become systematically overstated, and by contrasting African monarchies with European democracies, the differences would become systematically understated. I feel the need to remind everyone that despite the fact that he writes like a 19th Century aristocrat, Hans-Hermann Hoppe is not only still alive, but is a professor emeritus at UNLV.
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May 20, 2015 15:06
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Nolanar posted:What everyone else said, plus he came up with the astounding pile of fallacies known as Argumentation Ethics. In summary: So he's actually saying punching him in the face is an acceptable alternative to talking to him.
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May 20, 2015 15:25
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Oh, so THIS is what Politics and the English Language was warning us about. Orwell wept.MizPiz posted:So he's actually saying punching him in the face is an acceptable alternative to talking to him. I mean, I get that you're joking, but if you punch him in the face once and he still disagrees with you, then the first bullet still holds true. He's advocating for beating him until he changes his mind.
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May 20, 2015 15:29
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Hoppe posted:Thereby, in order to illustrate one's theoretical conclusions, every attempt should be made to compare societies which, apart from the theoretical distinction under consideration, are as similar as possible. It would be an error, for instance, to illustrate my theory of comparative government by contrasting European monarchies with African democracies or African monarchies with European democracies. Since Caucasians have, on the average, a significantly lower degree of time preference than Negroids, any such comparison would amount to a systematic distortion of the evidence. By contrasting European monarchies to African democracies, the theoretically predicted differences between monarchical and democratic rule would become systematically overstated, and by contrasting African monarchies with European democracies, the differences would become systematically understated. In Libertarian bullshit economics, "Time Preference", for those who don't know, is the idea that the reason white people are wealthier than non-white people is because they're better. You see, white people have a lower time preference for their gratification, and can save and invest and wait for their rewards, while other races have a high time preference and thus squander their earnings immediately and make themselves poor. Here it's used in the middle of an openly racist screed, but in general if you see it in Libertarian/neoreactionary writings the meaning is almost always "poor people are poor because they're dumb" or "blacks are poor because blacks are dumb and incapable of making good decisions". There's a real concept of time preference in non-horseshit econ which simply expresses that an individual's utility calculations can be influenced by the tradeoff of gratification now vs gratification later, without being an estimate of individual worth, but of course if you're busy sucking off Ludwig von Mises you don't really care.
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May 20, 2015 16:58
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Basically, Hoppe uses PROPERTY RIGHTS  as a fig leaf for being a goddamn Nazi, and chooses to disregard the fact that the Nazis pretty much looted their way through occupied Europe.
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May 20, 2015 17:09
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StandardVC10 posted:Basically, Hoppe uses PROPERTY RIGHTS Ah but see, Slavs weren't using their land to its fullest potential so expropriating it was justifi— 
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May 20, 2015 17:17
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Pope Guilty posted:In Libertarian bullshit economics, "Time Preference", for those who don't know, is the idea that the reason white people are wealthier than non-white people is because they're better. You see, white people have a lower time preference for their gratification, and can save and invest and wait for their rewards, while other races have a high time preference and thus squander their earnings immediately and make themselves poor. Here it's used in the middle of an openly racist screed, but in general if you see it in Libertarian/neoreactionary writings the meaning is almost always "poor people are poor because they're dumb" or "blacks are poor because blacks are dumb and incapable of making good decisions". So it's a stupider version of that email forward inspirational tale about the businessman who goes on vacation and meets the native fisherman who doesn't work as hard as he could, and explains to the fisherman that if he worked harder he could expand his fishing into a massive business empire, then retire to do all the things he's does to relax anyways? Because the point of that story is that the businessman is an idiot with bad priorities... The Story in Question posted:An American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.
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May 20, 2015 17:22
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Toph Bei Fong posted:So it's a stupider version of that email forward inspirational tale about the businessman who goes on vacation and meets the native fisherman who doesn't work as hard as he could, and explains to the fisherman that if he worked harder he could expand his fishing into a massive business empire, then retire to do all the things he's does to relax anyways? Time preference in the real world is basically the idea that if I offered you the choice of $100 now or $100 in a year, you'd take $100 now. But if I offered you $100 now or $100,000 in a year, you'd probably wait for it. So somewhere in between there's got to be a point where the two offers are equally tempting, maybe $120 or $300 or whatever. The amount I'd have to offer you to make them equal would vary based on the situation: do you think I'm trustworthy, do you think you'd be alive in a year to get it, do you think there will be massive hyperinflation in the meantime, etc. Importantly, if someone is used to living in a precarious situation, they usually need to be offered more money later to make the wait worth it, because they're under pressure right now and they're used to having promises fall through. Austrians turn these calculations into a moral judgment. In their minds, your time preference isn't "higher" or "lower" than other people's, it's "better" or "worse." If you have Low Time Preference, you're a no-account person who just wants a quick fix, while someone with a High Time Preference is an investor and a job creator. That's why coal miners make poo poo pay and die of black lung: not because they're being exploited or because it's just a bad situation, but because they're bad people and their low time preference leads them to waste their money on stupid things like whiskey and fast food and not wanting to kill themselves. If they just saved up, they'd be able to buy their own coal mine in no time!
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May 20, 2015 18:09
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Fascinating. I wonder how many of these scholars have fallen for things like Wake Up Now? A scheme like that may as well be the libertarian ideal of how economics ought to work... http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/543/transcript
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May 20, 2015 19:22
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Fascinating. Yeah, they fall for that poo poo all the time because they can't tell the difference between their idea of how the world should work and how the world actually works: https://reason.com/blog/2015/05/19/is-the-seasteading-dream-really-dead It's like they live in a science-fiction story every minute of their lives.
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May 20, 2015 19:43
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Nolanar posted:You know what, gently caress it. It's Hoppe Time. I see rigor and standards are alive and well in the social sciences 
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May 20, 2015 19:57
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Jack Gladney posted:Yeah, they fall for that poo poo all the time because they can't tell the difference between their idea of how the world should work and how the world actually works: That whole article is like art in terms of wishful thinking and misreading the evidence. Someone has to keep the dream alive! China Mieville wrote an awesome article about seasteading and its appeal to libertarians of all strains about 8 years ago: http://inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias
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May 20, 2015 20:04
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Nolanar posted:You know what, gently caress it. It's Hoppe Time. I don't understand why all the people who 88 Hoppe doesn't like have to be removed from the libertarian society. Surely their inferior ideas and conduct will simply burn away in the crucible of true libertarianism. It couldn't possibly be because the libertarianism is just a lovely cover for not liking blacks and gays, right?
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May 20, 2015 22:58
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Not My Leg posted:I don't understand why all the people who 88 Hoppe doesn't like have to be removed from the libertarian society. Surely their inferior ideas and conduct will simply burn away in the crucible of true libertarianism. It couldn't possibly be because the libertarianism is just a lovely cover for not liking blacks and gays, right? No, you see, it's totally not plain old bigotry, there's actually a totally legitimate scientific explanation! Just like how Time Preference proves that poor people are awful and deserve to be ground into the dirt: quote:Following a March 4, 2004 lecture on time preference at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV), a student complained that Hoppe created a hostile classroom environment by stating that homosexuals tend to be more shortsighted than heterosexuals in their ability to save money and plan (economically) for the future, in part because they tend not to have children. Hoppe also suggested that John Maynard Keynes's reputed homosexuality might explain his economic views. So you see, it's perfectly rational to hate homosexuals! 
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May 25, 2015 21:39
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http://www.hestiasociety.org/site/about/official-statement-on-the-leadership-of-nrx/ New schism!
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May 25, 2015 22:31
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Good lord they link to The Last Psychiatrist on there, are they so dumb that they think TLP is/was on their side? That guy is like if @dril and Zizek had a baby.
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May 25, 2015 22:50
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neonnoodle posted:Good lord they link to The Last Psychiatrist on there, are they so dumb that they think TLP is/was on their side? That guy is like if @dril and Zizek had a baby. I read three of the guy's columns and couldn't find a thesis in any of them. He writes in the same garbage style as the rest of these turds and is a racist. How is he any different?
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May 26, 2015 00:09
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He's not the clearest writer, unfortunately, but I assure you he is not a racist and is essentially making fun of the type of dudebros who go in for neoreactionary ideology.
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May 26, 2015 01:32
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neonnoodle posted:Good lord they link to The Last Psychiatrist on there, are they so dumb that they think TLP is/was on their side? That guy is like if @dril and Zizek had a baby. TLP's entire schtick is thst that modern psychiatry is meaningless and that the medical profession in general is increasingly irrelevant. I've never read anything on his blog that would suggest he is racist.
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BuckarooBanzai posted:TLP's entire schtick is thst that modern psychiatry is meaningless and that the medical profession in general is increasingly irrelevant. I've never read anything on his blog that would suggest he is racist. http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/11/judge_beats_his_daughter_for_b.html quote:
That guy's a oval office. I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of ways to say that tv news constructs narratives out of the information it relays, and that most of them feature paragraphs with topic sentences and avoid telling me how I would react to something if it featured black people instead of white people.
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Well at any rate, he's not a neo-reactionary outside of them including him in lists of "insight porn". At any rate, the point of posting the article was to show that they formulated some kind of NRx leadership just to throw some people out of their internet movement. It's like the Night Of Long Knives but with unfollowing people on twitter.
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Pussy Cartel posted:Following a March 4, 2004 lecture on time preference at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV), a student complained that Hoppe created a hostile classroom environment by stating that homosexuals tend to be more shortsighted than heterosexuals in their ability to save money and plan (economically) for the future, in part because they tend not to have children. Hoppe also suggested that John Maynard Keynes's reputed homosexuality might explain his economic views. even if you totally buy into the idea of time preference this doesn't even make any sense. not having children is easymode for saving money.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Well at any rate, he's not a neo-reactionary outside of them including him in lists of "insight porn". What's funny about this is that their The Official Hestia Black List is literally three dudes from twitter, only one of which even identifies with his name.
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Dangit Ronpaul posted:even if you totally buy into the idea of time preference this doesn't even make any sense. not having children is easymode for saving money. Fake answer: the gays are only thinking in terms of their own lifetime, which is shortsighted in comparison to people who are concerned about the fortunes of their dynasty. Real answer: Time Preference has long since stopped being about actual time preference to people like HHH; it's just a codeword for how "civilized" you are. neonnoodle posted:Good lord they link to The Last Psychiatrist on there, are they so dumb that they think TLP is/was on their side? That guy is like if @dril and Zizek had a baby. That is a tough phrase to live up to, but I looked him up and goddamn if it doesn't fit perfectly.
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Pope Guilty posted:There's a real concept of time preference in non-horseshit econ which simply expresses that an individual's utility calculations can be influenced by the tradeoff of gratification now vs gratification later, without being an estimate of individual worth, but of course if you're busy sucking off Ludwig von Mises you don't really care.
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coyo7e posted:I worked at a psych research center for a good while and they did a lot of studies around this stuff. In every peer reviewed study which I am aware of, they found a direct correlation between cortisol (stress hormone) levels being higher, and people having a more difficult time delaying gratification when given a choice - even when they are aware of a superior potential outcome down the road, be it more candy for waiting a few minutes, or more money for turning down a small fee, in lieu of a larger reward being given weeks later. Stress levels are generally abnormally high among the children of first-generation immigrants, the poor, etc. See, that's an explanation that doesn't glorify white nerds. What kind of SJW mindkilled prog are you?
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