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Eh, it's not that bad. Lord Justice is just filling in for Squidster who completely failed to shitpost, I am disappointed.
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Shinjobi posted:I think I'm ready for this thread to go away now. I think the ideal of the thread itself, is something worth fighting for.
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May 26, 2015 20:40
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Compendium posted:Eh, it's not that bad.
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May 26, 2015 20:42
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Cake Attack posted:I think the ideal of the thread itself, is something worth fighting for. I want to protect this threads smile.
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May 26, 2015 20:42
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Twiddy posted:I feel like he decided not to follow through after he realized that most of the posters who would be arguing with him here have known the material for at least like 4 years so they might have a strong understanding of why Archer being Shirou's future self works as apposed to whatever he was gonna post. he may have also just stopped watching a show he doesn't enjoy, which would be entirely fair
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May 26, 2015 20:43
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Cake Attack posted:he may have also just stopped watching a show he doesn't enjoy, which would be entirely fair
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May 26, 2015 20:45
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Twiddy posted:Not all shows are for everyone. Unfortunately it's impossible to have universal appeal. *cough Cowboy Bebop
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May 26, 2015 20:46
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Cake Attack posted:he may have also just stopped watching a show he doesn't enjoy, which would be entirely fair Yeah, that's definitely understandable. And to be fair, any place on the net that's discussing Fate stuff is basically 
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May 26, 2015 20:47
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littleorv posted:*cough Cowboy Bebop
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May 26, 2015 20:52
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Twiddy posted:I forgot about the one time anime producers tried to save literally every single person their entire life and succeeded. That is an accurate description imo
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May 26, 2015 20:57
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Cake Attack posted:I think the ideal of the thread itself, is something worth fighting for. littleorv posted:I want to protect this threads smile.
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May 26, 2015 21:13
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littleorv posted:I want to protect this threads smile. This thread cannot be saved. I must destroy it no matter the cost. Saving it is not worth sacrificing my ideals.
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May 26, 2015 21:29
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Iretep posted:This thread cannot be saved. I must destroy it no matter the cost. Saving it is not worth sacrificing my ideals. If by gassing one thread I can save 10 others, I will gas 100 threads to save 1000.
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May 26, 2015 21:46
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Madoka was good, but it's insanely hosed to me, that alot of the fans think that the show invented the concept of a Faustian bargain, or that it was a pioneer in pretty much any way, and not just a really cool show with some great stylistic decisions. Well, thanks for reading this post.
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May 26, 2015 22:18
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Madoka was good, but it's insanely hosed to me, that alot of the fans think that the show invented the concept of a Faustian bargain Except that premise basically is a Faustian bargain, so I don't know what you were watching. Madoka is good because there's pretty much nothing wrong with it. The music is amazing, the art is amazing, the story is amazing, the direction is amazing, etc. It's a great idea that was near perfectly executed.
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May 26, 2015 22:23
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ViggyNash posted:Except that premise basically is a Faustian bargain, so I don't know what you were watching. He's saying that the concept of a Faustian bargain was around before Madoka.
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May 26, 2015 22:25
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Compendium posted:Eh, it's not that bad. I warned you about Fate threads bro!!!!
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May 26, 2015 22:26
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ViggyNash posted:Except that premise basically is a Faustian bargain, so I don't know what you were watching.
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May 26, 2015 22:27
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Madoka was good, but it's insanely hosed to me, that alot of the fans think that the show invented the concept of a Faustian bargain, or that it was a pioneer in pretty much any way, and not just a really cool show with some great stylistic decisions. Well, thanks for reading this post. Don't let foolish people change your enjoyment of a well-done piece. The Faustian Bargain was invented before Faust; there's nothing new under the sun after all. The creators of Madoka are perfectly aware of Faust though since they actually had a quote from Faust sprinkled in the art IIRC.
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May 26, 2015 22:30
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Well yeah, I don't hold any ill will towards the show itself but it spawned probably one of the worst group of fans in recent memory.
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May 26, 2015 22:33
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Well yeah, I don't hold any ill will towards the show itself but it spawned probably one of the worst group of fans in recent memory.
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May 26, 2015 22:38
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I was still in highschool when I regged and thought 40k was badass as hell.
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May 26, 2015 22:39
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I was still in highschool when I regged and thought 40k was badass as hell. my twin with the same reg date with me... this is where our paths separate 40k has always been a fail
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May 26, 2015 22:41
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I liked the book series my username is from, because it was basically just a war story in space, without all the space marines and poo poo. I doubt I could go back and re-read them now though. RIP.
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May 26, 2015 22:42
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ChronoReverse posted:The creators of Madoka are perfectly aware of Faust though since they actually had a quote from Faust sprinkled in the art IIRC. Madoka's witch name was also Gretchen, which is rather blatant.
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May 26, 2015 22:43
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I liked the stealth reference to Fate/Extra in Archer's flashback. That scene where he agrees to become a Heroic Spirit in the nuclear plant was first mentioned in F/E, and people have always argued whether it (and the entire game for that matter) was canon. Guess so! Honestly though, instead of random mujaheddin getting shot by arrows, if they really wanted to bring home how much Archer's life sucked they should have shown him shooting down a plane full of people carrying a deadly virus so they wouldn't land and infect an entire city. Like father like son!
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May 26, 2015 22:52
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So those unlimited blade works huh. Why does Archer even use a bow? Shirou is a huge sword geek and Archer's an even bigger sword geek, but in the flashbacks of Archer's counter-guardian career, he exclusively shot dudes with his longbow. It feels a little suspect to me that the Counter Force would be like "okay so you took archery club in high school, so I guess we'll assign you a magic bow." Is his bow even a noble phantasm?
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May 26, 2015 22:52
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Cephas posted:So those unlimited blade works huh. Being a completely unknown hero, Archer doesn't really have a Noble Phantasm in the first place. UBW is the closest thing he has to one.
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May 26, 2015 22:58
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Shirou is freakishly good with a bow and iirc so long as he's not leeching his sword skills from a NP he's no better than Taiga. Obviously this no longer applies to EMIYA but much of EMIYA's projections are altered to serve as arrows like Caladbolg or Hrunting. When given the option he'll almost always try to kill from a distance. It's what he's better at and it's more practical than trying to fight say, Saber, head on.
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May 26, 2015 23:01
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Cephas posted:So those unlimited blade works huh. Just to further muddy the waters, in his one flashback scene in Fate/Extra, he's shown holding a sniper rifle. http://imgur.com/2cres0R
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May 26, 2015 23:04
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In the Extra world mana started to vanish in the 70s, so magi are more tech oriented. Of course we also know that the Moon Cell can observe parallel worlds so 
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May 26, 2015 23:06
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I think an interesting fact that people tend to glance over is how Shirou used to be in the archery club and was by all means pretty good at it before he quit the club. It's one of those first clues in regards to Archer that doesn't immediately register so it's kinda neat.
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May 26, 2015 23:10
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One of the most interesting VN scenes to me was the one where Shirou was doing a little archery practice, and it's this whole spiritual process for him. Visualizing the target and making the arrow meet the image in your mind. Apparently Japanese archery is a big deal, at least the way Nasu wrote that scene.
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May 26, 2015 23:14
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Shirou was so naturally gifted at archery that he had only missed once ever and that was because he wanted to see what it was like to not hit the target. As Sylphid says, it's a mental image thing and ties directly to Shirou and his projections which also rely on his "image" of the sword. His twin sword skills were real too but that came after a lifetime of training and refining it (our current Shirou is drawing out that ability ahead of schedule).
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May 26, 2015 23:16
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If you want to see Archer actually out on the hunt and not hamstrung by Rin or a moon tournament or whatever, play Hollow Ataraxia.
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May 26, 2015 23:19
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Sylphid posted:One of the most interesting VN scenes to me was the one where Shirou was doing a little archery practice, and it's this whole spiritual process for him. Visualizing the target and making the arrow meet the image in your mind. Apparently Japanese archery is a big deal, at least the way Nasu wrote that scene.
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May 26, 2015 23:29
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quote:To give oneself completely to the shooting is the spiritual goal, achieved by perfection of both the spirit and shooting technique leading to munen musō, "no thoughts, no illusions". there's a lot of zen buddhist stuff in there. some of it comes from a german author who spoke only a little japanese but his 'research' had an impact on the perception of the sport even by the japanese, in a weird little feedback loop.
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May 26, 2015 23:33
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Yeah, if there was anything that could get me into Japanese archery (far from an impossibility), it would be that scene. It's not only good foreshadowing, but it's very Shirou-like diligence in that scene. I had just assumed Japanese archery was as utilitarian as Western archery seems to me, but that scene was certainly educational.
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May 26, 2015 23:42
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Sylphid posted:One of the most interesting VN scenes to me was the one where Shirou was doing a little archery practice, and it's this whole spiritual process for him. Visualizing the target and making the arrow meet the image in your mind. Apparently Japanese archery is a big deal, at least the way Nasu wrote that scene. I think he was speaking to his and Rin's mutual friend then.
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Another important part about the whole Philosophy of Japanese archery (or at least how Shirou works with it) is specifically that you imagine yourself already hitting the target. You see the endgoal already happening and that's how you reach your goal. So basically he's an archer because his entire philosophy and way of life is connected to archery just as strong as his connection to swords. I brought up earlier that they just completely dropped this stuff which is kind of sad but I can see it being hard to work in naturally.
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