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FAUXTON posted:Hopefully you start by vaccinating and quarantining them. Then you find a way to teach them poo poo like "planes aren't birds" and "that wasn't thunder." Basically you're starting with comedy but growing into some neat statecraft poo poo.
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Phanatic posted:And yet in every society that industrializes people flee the farms for the cities as soon as they possibly can. Here's a few basic reasons for that. The proto phase of industrial revolution is marked by an increase of agricultural productivity which lead to dropping prices and a growing population. Depending on laws of inheritance this led either to shrinking plots for farmers or the landless surplus wandering elsewhere, looking for subsistence e.g. the cities (unless there was land to be made arable). In Germany we're facing shrinking plots, which led to concentration of landownership and lots of tenant farmers and farmhands looking for work that tugged along somehow each year. What you got to know is, that farmers and their families needed to supplement their income with crafts in the cold months. Weaving of fabrics was a widespread source of income for these people. When the IR hits, it takes away this source and the people who were barely making it every year as is face real existential problems. Subsistence farming is an impossible situation, a tool breaks or somebody gets sick and you run up debt that you'll never be able to pay off. Sooner or later you'll lose everything. The German word for this trend tells what it is: Landflucht. Rural flight.
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SlothfulCobra posted:How far would a roman legion get if they were transported into the present day, assuming that the army wasn't immediately called on them and they just had to deal with local police forces? Um pretty far, since a legion has more than 5,000 soldiers. Think of your police force, could 50-100 donut-jockey civilians take on 5,000 veteran soldiers? I don't think so. The Romans win it in a rout unless we're talking about a metropolitan city with thousands of cops, or one of those hosed up rural counties that got every deputy a machine gun and a grenade launcher from the military to edit: Fauxton has apparently confused "Romans" with "Neanderthals". Pretty sure that they aren't going to walk blindly into moving traffic, or run away from loud noises, or whatever the gently caress. These guys spent 20 years killing for a living the hard way - they're not going to be deterred with tear gas and some water cannons. The average police force, even in America, doesn't have anywhere near the resources or training to fend off an entire army. Kaal fucked around with this message at 08:28 on May 27, 2015 |
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Arquinsiel posted:Remember when I said this? Arquinsiel posted:There's a school of thought that the entire story is a Romance fabrication Arquinsiel posted:"Health" is not exactly the same thing as "fitness". I saw a claim a while back that humanity as a whole is far less physically inclined today than it was even a thousand years ago. We're evolving fast. I did not claim that you distinctly believed this theory. I did not claim even that it was wrong. I confess that the central idea is related to anger and violence and not sitting on the couch and I was wrong to keep talking about sedentary lifestyles. I will claim that more than skull and brain size changes is needed to demonstrate that claim and could fall apart easily. There are a host of other factors that need to be dealt with before. Maybe the patients were from an environment which adversely affected neurological development? There can be real arguments about cultural evolution but if we are talking about physical change in response to that, that one will be much harder to demonstrate. To me, the biological changes described are more of a knock against the theory than for and suggests that they likely don't have enough evidence but are making the claim anyway. The rest may be fine but the biology feels off. Halp, I am a biologist stuck in a history thread. I just wanna post silly and read about Roman tank destroyers versus the police.
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May 27, 2015 08:29
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Kaal posted:edit: Fauxton has apparently confused "Romans" with "Neanderthals". Pretty sure that they aren't going to walk blindly into moving traffic,
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May 27, 2015 08:46
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What if Napoleon had the USS Enterpries, and he was up against Romans with Plague Marine armour. And they meet at Sommes in 1916.
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HEY GAL posted:didn't we used to walk into the paths of trains a bunch, right after they were invented? figuring out how soon something moving right toward you will get there is a learned skill What, onto the tracks? I'd say that they're a pretty good clue. There was a lot of excitement over them, but I think that the idea of people were walking right in front of a speeding train is largely an urban legend. Most early trains were traveling at about 30 mph, not much faster than a galloping horse that everyone was familiar with (this is also what enabled horsemen to rob trains as opposed to be passed by them without incident). Plus these days there's visual signs everywhere for that sort of thing that intentionally avoid relying on words. midnightclimax posted:What if Napoleon had the USS Enterpries, and he was up against Romans with Plague Marine armour. And they meet at Sommes in 1916. None of the USS Enterprises are rated for landing in atmosphere, not even the aircraft carrier. Riker tried and Red Shirts died. Kaal fucked around with this message at 09:01 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 08:57
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Visual design language is itself a huge and fascinating field of study. I remember seeing an hour+ documentary a couple of years back about the design of this sign and how much effort it took to make the subject matter obvious via careful wiggling of whatever the dude is digging. ETA: the woman who designed it, and all the rest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Calvert
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Kaal posted:What, onto the tracks? I'd say that they're a pretty good clue. There was a lot of excitement over them, but I think that the idea of people were walking right in front of a speeding train is largely an urban legend. Most early trains were traveling at about 30 mph, not much faster than a galloping horse that everyone was familiar with (this is also what enabled horsemen to rob trains as opposed to be passed by them without incident). Plus these days there's visual signs everywhere for that sort of thing that intentionally avoid relying on words. I know for a fact that train tracks in a crowded city caused fatalities. It was a major reason, the other being smoke, that Chicago had a law mandating all train lines be grade separated (when trains were still new, the law did eventually get repealed or something.) Edit: not to mention that train crossings still kill people that are somehow unaware/uncaring of the danger. In the transport engineering thread theres a post saying that one of the complaints/objections that some sort of rail plan had was that their kids played on the tracks. Communist Zombie fucked around with this message at 09:06 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 09:03
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That dude is obviously lifting up an umbrella, though.
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May 27, 2015 09:03
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Tekopo posted:That dude is obviously lifting up an umbrella, though. In Britain, they dig with umbrellas.
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Arquinsiel posted:Visual design language is itself a huge and fascinating field of study. I remember seeing an hour+ documentary a couple of years back about the design of this sign and how much effort it took to make the subject matter obvious via careful wiggling of whatever the dude is digging. It's extremely interesting, where I studied there was just a new branch of visual communication about to be established. Centered on political communication, but we also discussed things like warning signs e.g for radioactive waste, that should be understood centuries or millenia in the future. Speaking of language, I'm just reading Hobsbawm's book on nationalism and there's a chapter about language where he treats the problem of expressing e.g. modern political and economic concepts in old languages. Apparently it's super hard and mostly impossible if the speaker doesn't know a modern language and the concepts that are weaved into it.
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Communist Zombie posted:I know for a fact that train tracks in a crowded city caused fatalities. It was a major reason, the other being smoke, that Chicago had a law mandating all train lines be grade separated (when trains were still new, the law did eventually get repealed or something.) Not to mention that train crossings still kill people that are somehow unaware/uncaring of the danger. In the transport engineering thread theres a post saying that one of the complaints/objections that some sort of rail plan had was that their kids played on the tracks. Well sure, and roads remain one of the highest sources of fatalities in America to this day. But that's from recklessness and inattentiveness, not "Oh what's that mysterious speeding object? Is it dangerous?" A kid playing on the tracks here in the US knows that it's dangerous, that's half of the fun.
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Kaal posted:Well sure, and roads remain one of the highest sources of fatalities in America to this day. But that's from recklessness and inattentiveness, not "Oh what's that mysterious speeding object? Is it dangerous?" A kid playing on the tracks here in the US knows that it's dangerous, that's half of the fun.  (It's a petard, included it because a bucket on a plank doesn't look frightening) Why assume only stupid people won't know what the deal with cars is? They've never seen one before.
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May 27, 2015 09:22
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JaucheCharly posted:It's extremely interesting, where I studied there was just a new branch of visual communication about to be established. Centered on political communication, but we also discussed things like warning signs e.g for radioactive waste, that should be understood centuries or millenia in the future.
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May 27, 2015 09:39
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One of my earliest memories was being terrified of buckets with the drowning child warning. It featured a silouete toddler upside down in the bucket in a shallow body of liquid, with a cut away of the lungs also filled with liquid. I did not understand what I was really supposed to be afraid of but I remember I was. If a 4 year old can associate fear with it, your warning sign probably works across a lot of divides.
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May 27, 2015 09:45
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The real question is what happens if the hypothetical legion showed up in Palmyra just in time to see ISIS going to town on the ruins.
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I'm experimenting with posting these at different times of day and seeing whether it has any effect on my numbers. (There appears to be a small-but-noticeable variance depending on whether they go at the top of a milhist page, in the middle somewhere, or at the bottom...) 100 Years Ago Do you like genocide? Then today is your day, since we're looking at the law that's just been passed in the Ottoman Empire, and provided the legal underpinning for this war's most notable crime against humanity (it beats the treatment of African porters by a quarter of a length), the crime that later drove Raphael Lemkin to invent and define the word "genocide", because all the other words just weren't good enough to describe what had been done. Meanwhile, General Joffre stops talking about "nibbling" and starts speaking of "attrition", a Croatian defensive expert arrives on the Italian Front, Herbert Sulzbach goes back into hospital, and Kenneth Best looks out to sea to find HMS Majestic sinking gently, the latest victim of U-21. (There's also another staggeringly fantastic advert for patent medicine.)
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HEY GAL posted:didn't we used to walk into the paths of trains a bunch, right after they were invented? figuring out how soon something moving right toward you will get there is a learned skill I was always told that you can't accurately assess car speeds until you're a teenager. First google result I found to support it was this: http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/Press_Releases/children%27s%20vision%20of%20car%20speeds%20and%2020%20mph.pdf I imagine that it's also a learned skill as you say though. How fast were chariots, though?
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May 27, 2015 10:52
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I'm still waiting for that Reddit post that was going to be turned into a movie about a Marine Corps FOB that gets transported in time to meet Julia Ceaser. It was going to be called "Rome, sweet Rome".
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Trin Tragula posted:I'm experimenting with posting these at different times of day and seeing whether it has any effect on my numbers. (There appears to be a small-but-noticeable variance depending on whether they go at the top of a milhist page, in the middle somewhere, or at the bottom...) If you care about hits/visibility, maybe make a tumblr with those ads and link back to your blog. They're fun outside a milhist context.
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May 27, 2015 11:35
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HEY GAL posted:i thought roman traffic sucked bad? they wouldn't understand cars, but they'd probably "get" cities Well, uh, double dumb-rear end on you!
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May 27, 2015 12:10
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I think the Romans would probably last until they discovered distilled spirits and then expire from alcohol poisoning.
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SlothfulCobra posted:How far would a roman legion get if they were transported into the present day, assuming that the army wasn't immediately called on them and they just had to deal with local police forces? Probably not far. They'd stumble around confused in this new, alien world until they find someone who can talk Latin. Then they get shown ruins from the old empire and get depressed. A wave of suicides decimates them. The survivors become guests in talkshows.
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May 27, 2015 12:42
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Well there would still be 9/10th of them alive so that would be a lot of survivors.
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Tekopo posted:Well there would still be 9/10th of them alive so that would be a lot of survivors. 
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Trin Tragula posted:I'm experimenting with posting these at different times of day and seeing whether it has any effect on my numbers. (There appears to be a small-but-noticeable variance depending on whether they go at the top of a milhist page, in the middle somewhere, or at the bottom...) Super minor niggle - 'Yes, U-21 has struck again, and another dreadnought has gone down.'. No it hasn't  , HMS Majestic was built in 1895.
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May 27, 2015 13:09
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What was I thinking, posting immediately after a time travel question?
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May 27, 2015 13:23
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Should prolly ban time travel questions.
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Disinterested posted:Should prolly ban time travel questions. Eh, they'd show up again in the future.
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my dad posted:Eh, they'd show up again in the future. 
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my dad posted:Eh, they'd show up again in the future. 
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JaucheCharly posted:It's extremely interesting, where I studied there was just a new branch of visual communication about to be established. Centered on political communication, but we also discussed things like warning signs e.g for radioactive waste, that should be understood centuries or millenia in the future. This one is cool in a way that if you described to some people a radioactive waste storage facilities it just sounds enticing in a D&D adventurer sort of way. "A picture of a pile of laughing skulls and cruel spikes? Sign me up! Who knows what goodies they're hiding!"
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Raenir Salazar posted:This one is cool in a way that if you described to some people a radioactive waste storage facilities it just sounds enticing in a D&D adventurer sort of way. "A picture of a pile of laughing skulls and cruel spikes? Sign me up! Who knows what goodies they're hiding!" Get out of here STALKER.
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Raenir Salazar posted:This one is cool in a way that if you described to some people a radioactive waste storage facilities it just sounds enticing in a D&D adventurer sort of way. "A picture of a pile of laughing skulls and cruel spikes? Sign me up! Who knows what goodies they're hiding!" 'Buried under this location is a source of immense power that kills people' Yeah a post-apocalyptic warlord isn't going to be tempted by that at all.
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I saw a TV special on that a few years ago and the experts conclusion was to just bury it as far away from everything as possible and hide it as well as possible because any other approach would just make people curious which would result in exploring and etc
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If they could decipher additional info to the signs, it would probably sound like some superstitious warning about evil spirits to them.
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my dad posted:Eh, they'd show up again in the future. Not if you are in China.
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bewbies posted:I saw a TV special on that a few years ago and the experts conclusion was to just bury it as far away from everything as possible and hide it as well as possible because any other approach would just make people curious which would result in exploring and etc It must have been kinda depressing, but perhaps not surprising for those experts to realize that there really is no way to tell human beings "Don't open this loving door, it will kill you" and have it stick.
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If the humanity descended to such a level they couldn't understand the concept of radioactivity any more, they would probably have a lot more pressing problems than accidentally digging into a nuclear waste storage facility. Kinda like worrying that refugees from Syria would choke on packing peanuts that came with their aid packets.
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