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Covok posted:Yes, there is a reason. He mentioned he hasn't been training because he has been raising his family and, as a result, lost a lot of his power. He even questions his ability to go Super Sayian at all. While it absolutely sucks it happened to Gohan, I do like the notion that people can get weaker through atrophy in the series since that never really happens in shonen. Hows he lose more power in the 2-3 years since BOG than in the 6 years between Cell and Buu?
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:chris ayers is not frieza, end of story you're a gently caress, end of story Kild posted:Hows he lose more power in the 2-3 years since BOG than in the 6 years between Cell and Buu? Because Toryiama doesn't really give a poo poo anymore as long as he gets paid.
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May 27, 2015 01:07
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Kild posted:Hows he lose more power in the 2-3 years since BOG than in the 6 years between Cell and Buu? He does train before the Buu saga begins in earnest, and it is possible that he is still keeping up with a weaker regimen during the interval while he doesn't train at all between the battle of the gods stuff.
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May 27, 2015 01:24
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Kild posted:Hows he lose more power in the 2-3 years since BOG than in the 6 years between Cell and Buu? Do we even know that? It's not like he fought in BoG.
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May 27, 2015 01:31
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mycot posted:Do we even know that? It's not like he fought in BoG. He lasted about five or six seconds before Beerus slammed him face-first into Buu's head.
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May 27, 2015 01:33
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Fuego Fish posted:He lasted about five or six seconds before Beerus slammed him face-first into Buu's head. he basically did that to goku in ss3 tho as well
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May 27, 2015 02:01
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mycot posted:Do we even know that? It's not like he fought in BoG. He could still go into his Mystic form so yes we do know that?
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May 27, 2015 02:14
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Kild posted:He could still go into his Mystic form so yes we do know that? Mystic isn't a form. Mystic is just his max power being his base power. Old Kai told him not to go Super Sayian because it wouldn't make him any stronger and just drain his energy. Since he hasn't trained at all, the effects wore off.
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May 27, 2015 02:19
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with super freeza being 200,000x times stronger than vegitto would it even matter?
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May 27, 2015 02:33
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Anyone that know Japanese watch the original Battle of Gods? I'm just confused about how Beerus says that regular ki doesn't seem to affect gods. After that Vegeta punches him in his face (is it just me or is Vegetas aura in that bit a little bit more red than usual?), and later Golden Frieza puts up a fight against SSGodku. Do Vegeta and Frieza have some sort of latent god power due to their royal blood, or is Beerus just talking out his bumhole/ignorant?
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May 27, 2015 04:39
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Bushmaori posted:Anyone that know Japanese watch the original Battle of Gods? Physical damage can still hurt gods. Remember, Vegeta hit him with a physical attack. The ki attack had no affect.
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May 27, 2015 04:49
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Bushmaori posted:Anyone that know Japanese watch the original Battle of Gods? I've just been treating it like a Pokemon style type difference. They had to learn new attacks to hurt beerus since he was resistant/immune to normal type attacks.
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May 27, 2015 04:54
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Zzulu posted:Gohan is kind of a twat A bit late but I remember reading that the dragonball mmo said he wrote a bit about ki resulting in every earthling knowing it and being able to fly in a few centuries, which is pretty impressive and probably does more to help Earth's longevity in the long run than just becoming the strongest.
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May 27, 2015 05:01
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Yeah, I can't be too annoyed with Gohan when he ends up contributing to the world probably more than any other scientist ever. Because of him, they probably don't even need Gokus.
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May 27, 2015 05:05
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Until Gohan actually does that in the show, I don't acknowledge it.
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May 27, 2015 05:19
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Fuego Fish posted:He lasted about five or six seconds before Beerus slammed him face-first into Buu's head. Buu's all pillowy and squishy. Would that even hurt?
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Squallege posted:Buu's all pillowy and squishy. Would that even hurt? I just imagine Gohan "Welp, good thing Buu is made of bubblegum and magic. CLEARLY outclassed here. Think ol' Gohan should just play dead....."
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May 27, 2015 06:16
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:I just imagine Gohan "Welp, good thing Buu is made of bubblegum and magic. CLEARLY outclassed here. Think ol' Gohan should just play dead....." He was also drunk off his rear end at the time so he might have legitimately forgotten Buu was squishy and somehow psychologically knocked himself out. All things considered Gohan didn't actually do that bad against Beerus; like he was totally wasted and still managed to put Beerus in a Full Nelson that Beerus at least looked worried about for half a second before he broke out of it. Compared to everyone else, including SSJ3 Goku who literally never even touched him that wasn't blocked, Gohan did pretty good. Too bad it means nothing.
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May 27, 2015 07:01
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Momomo posted:Yeah, I can't be too annoyed with Gohan when he ends up contributing to the world probably more than any other scientist ever. Gohan isn't Bulma.
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May 27, 2015 07:26
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Squallege posted:Buu's all pillowy and squishy. Would that even hurt? It's Beerus. He KO'd Piccolo with chopsticks. He could probably fatally stab someone AT LEAST as strong as like, #16 with a marshmallow if he wanted to.
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May 27, 2015 07:35
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Thunderbro posted:with super freeza being 200,000x times stronger than vegitto would it even matter? he's not. He's still weaker than Beerus who got punched around by a pissed off SSJ vegeta.
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Gohan's one of the more interesting characters in the series to me. Most of the characters, while fun, aren't that deep, but Gohan's got some big parental issues. His mom wants him to study all the time so that pressures him, his dad is Earth's greatest hero so he has a huge legacy to live up to, and he's traumatized by watching his dad die at like age 10 before going off for a year of hell training in the wilderness. He seems to enjoy adventuring (he has a fun time during the Frieza saga when he's not face to face with certain death) but I don't think he enjoys fighting the same way Goku does. At one point he is the strongest character in the series (SSJ2 Gohan at the end of Cell saga, obviously) while still a teenager, so he's clearly shown to have even more potential than Goku, but I think by that point he's seen so much crazy high-stakes, life-or-death conflicts that he mostly wants to stay out of it. So he doesn't devote himself to training like Goku and Vegeta do, choosing instead to have a mostly normal life with school, friends (Pan), and occasional goofy Saiyaman antics (Saiyaman being the most obvious indicator that he has some deep psychological trauma to work through). Buu shows up and since he's a major threat Gohan steps up to the plate again, just like he did against Cell, but this time he falls short and Goku + Dragon Ball shenanigans save the day. So post Buu you have Goku and Vegeta as immense powerhouses that are above him, Gotenks is about on their level, and friendly nigh-immortal fat Buu is happy to help. Gohan decides he's ever further back now than he was after Cell saga and first began to stop training like a madman, so he says screw it and tries to pass on the crazy martial arts techniques to the masses. This makes sense to me on a character level, and I agree that it's nice to see a shonen character decide not to pursue fighting despite an obvious talent for it and be fulfilled in other ways, particularly the son of the protagonist. He ends up as a happy guy with a family who balances training, work, and education better than anyone else in the series. He'll continue to be a chump in the new movies and series, but he's got the best life to go back to after the fighting's over. I still say that Bulma's family has the market fully cornered on discoveries that help humanity though. Capsule Tech, Interstellar space travel and Time Machines are a heck of a trio to try to top. Flight really only trumps capsules.
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NowonSA posted:Gohan's one of the more interesting characters in the series to me. Most of the characters, while fun, aren't that deep, but Gohan's got some big parental issues. His mom wants him to study all the time so that pressures him, his dad is Earth's greatest hero so he has a huge legacy to live up to, and he's traumatized by watching his dad die at like age 10 before going off for a year of hell training in the wilderness. He was 4 when Raditz arrived, around ten when he fought Cell.
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Stairmaster posted:he's not. He's still weaker than Beerus who got punched around by a pissed off SSJ vegeta. "Not my Bulma" Super Saiyan Vegeta was demonstrably stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I wouldn't be surprised if he was also stronger than Vegito because of the combination of Toriyama's weird storytelling and his inexplicable perspective on writing romance.
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May 27, 2015 09:06
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Heading out to Japan today. Will report back on any Goku sightings.
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May 27, 2015 09:30
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Desumaytah posted:"Not my Bulma" Super Saiyan Vegeta was demonstrably stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I wouldn't be surprised if he was also stronger than Vegito because of the combination of Toriyama's weird storytelling and his inexplicable perspective on writing romance. The more Vegeta gets that stick out of his rear end, the more absurdly powerful he can become.
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May 27, 2015 09:32
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That's My Bulma form is one of the most powerful modes in the show
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May 27, 2015 09:37
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Maybe next time a villain shows up, they just have them smack Bulma...Oh, wait, Goku already made that joke...
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May 27, 2015 10:26
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Can anyone see Goku getting that mad if Chi-Chi was hit by a villain, because I can't. Maybe if the villain ate his food perhaps. Goku: "THAT'S MY DINNER!"
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May 27, 2015 10:42
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He was pretty mad when the Spice Boys beat up his wife and Ox King and kidnapped his son.
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May 27, 2015 10:44
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Brony Hunter posted:Can anyone see Goku getting that mad if Chi-Chi was hit by a villain, because I can't. Maybe if the villain ate his food perhaps. SHE MAKES MY FOOD
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Covok posted:He was pretty mad when the Spice Boys beat up his wife and Ox King and kidnapped his son. Eh if we're counting non-canon material we might as well count the various times Goku accidentally knocked Chi-Chi through a wall on several different occasions in filler, and seemed more worried she'd be angry rather than concerned for her wellbeing.
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May 27, 2015 10:50
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Goku got really upset when Krillin died 
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Zzulu posted:Goku got really upset when Krillin died Chi-chi's a beard.
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May 27, 2015 12:04
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Webbeh posted:This is the worst thread for DBZ news. Is there a version of the trailer somewhere other than YouTube? I can't watch it in the UK.
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Veotax posted:Is there a version of the trailer somewhere other than YouTube? I can't watch it in the UK. Sort of, yes.
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So are my favorite characters gonna get benched in Super or is there a chance Tien will magically be a badass?
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:So are my favorite characters gonna get benched in Super or is there a chance Tien will magically be a badass? There's a whole sequence full of Frieza mooks that were weak back when Namek was a thing, so plenty of them should get a couple minutes in the spotlight at least. Also ignoring the fact that Tien was already badass.
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Brony Hunter posted:Eh if we're counting non-canon material we might as well count the various times Goku accidentally knocked Chi-Chi through a wall on several different occasions in filler, and seemed more worried she'd be angry rather than concerned for her wellbeing. Those weren't even filler.
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Kild posted:Hows he lose more power in the 2-3 years since BOG than in the 6 years between Cell and Buu? Wedding Rings are atleast a 10x multiplier on your "is now useless" statistic in Dragonball. Being Gohan multiplies that even further.
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