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30.5 Days posted:Games always have the codebase of a 5 year old startup because the industry has a prodigious brain drain due to nobody being willing to pay for anything and the fact that someone willing to work cheap is always around the next corner. At some point game developers convinced themselves that this was charming and/or normal. it's not just games it's pretty much everything  poo poo i've seen, etc
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Going by this thread, there are no shortage of programmers in this world and infinite time to do programming. Then someone please explain to me why "The Magical Realms of Tír na nÓg: Escape from Necron 7 – Revenge of Cuchulainn: The Official Game of the Movie – Chapter 2 of the Hoopz Barkley SaGa" isn't out yet?
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May 27, 2015 21:57
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let me refer you to the newbie guide to programming stuff, scrub
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May 27, 2015 21:58
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm drawing a complete blank here. What's an example of a quest that isn't "kill a thing" or "collect a thing" or "talk to a thing"? Escort a Thing, Keep a Thing Alive, Keep your distance from a Thing, Stay near a Thing. Cyster posted:A few other common ones you see that differ in terms of back-end recognition: "use an ability on a thing," and "go to this place (with optional do a thing.)" The ability will normally have a quest credit effect on it in addition to whatever it does, and going to a place involves defining the triggering space and determining what prerequisites must be met for entering it to give quest credit. I wanted to say Vet Shiphands are pretty fun.
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May 27, 2015 21:58
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one-off stuff in games is usually so terrible its p obvious they never had the time to properly extend their poo poo for this use case and had to jury rig something using snot and matches.
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May 27, 2015 22:00
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cthulhoo posted:let me refer you to the newbie guide to programming stuff, scrub 
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May 27, 2015 22:04
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biznatchio posted:It's not quite so dire, since they also floated the idea of just going ahead and rejiggering things to allow numbers to continue to be large and grow, but they decided to squish instead because the human beings playing the game are able to handle smaller numbers better than large numbers (or "mega damage", as they portrayed it). counterpoint: Diablo 3 Red Red Blue posted:Why would it matter if player health and healing is back to that level if that wasn't actually the problem to begin with? It was always about player damage (and by extension boss health) and those both ramp up way slower than they used to Madcosby posted:these are the lovely excuses bad programmers give themselves  cthulhoo posted:it's not just games it's pretty much everything Thunderbro fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 22:05
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Givin posted:Going by this thread, there are no shortage of programmers in this world and infinite time to do programming. Because the bean counters decided to have them all work on mobile games instead.
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May 27, 2015 22:05
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going by what i read itt carbine has development practices so terrible compared to which invisible bunnies is p much nothing like literally not testing patches and putting them out on live instead of test and stuff
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May 27, 2015 22:07
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Thunderbro posted:The numbers weren't the problem, just the hilariously bad backend. And no, they're ramping up just as fast. WoW DPS has already reached the starting point it was at in MoP. Remind me how much Chaos Bolt was hitting for in MoP, and how much it's hitting for now.
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May 27, 2015 22:09
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cthulhoo posted:it's not just games it's pretty much everything I guess I've been sheltered because my experience has been that a new project at an established company is usually architected, planned, tested, etc to pretty exacting specifications, especially with regard to maintainability. Then there's the stuff that was made near the company's founding which is garbage because it was made by dumbass 20 year olds who had no senior developers present, no idea what they were doing, trying to run all nighters and then being surprised by poo poo output. Game companies can be founded by 40 year old engineers and not only still pull this poo poo, but still be doing this a decade later. I seriously watched as the oldest dude at the game company I interned at get drummed the gently caress out because he woke up one morning and realized that maintainability might be important and doing things the right way to save money down the line is a cool way to lose your job in games. It's really not an uncommon occurrence.
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May 27, 2015 22:09
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i had to interface with a bank running on a system written in coldfusion by a literal jazz musician i'll let that sink in for a moment e: my project involved rewriting web ui that bank had from scratch in rails; previous stuff was coded by ex-marines. i wish i was kidding cthulhoo fucked around with this message at 22:18 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 22:11
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<cfform format="flash" method="post" width="400" height="400"> <cfinput type="text" name="username" label="Username" required="yes" > <cfinput type="password" name="password" label="Password" required="yes" > <cfinput type="submit" name="submit" value="Sign In" > </cfform> Do you think Brad McQuaid would hire me for my skills?
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May 27, 2015 22:16
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cthulhoo posted:i had to interface with a bank running on a system written in coldfusion by a literal jazz musician Yeah, but did you ever have to write down a program on a piece of paper, give it to a another IT-person to process for you and then a week later you got a huge blank paper with ERROR written on it? And by "getting" I mean you had to go to the IT-facility in person to receive your output. (Not that I ever had to do that, but I read a book about COBOL-programming during the 60s. That poo poo was bollocks.) A lot of commercial software, not just games, is practically and stealthily written around an rear end-old core of bullshit-code. A couple weeks ago someone in my university complained their company was searching for new programmers for some stupidly obscure language, just because most of their stuff was written in it and the last guy capable of understanding that mess was only a couple years away from retirement. They still haven't found someone. OK, nevermind. Commercial software is actually worse then games. At least WoW is still written in a languages most programmers today can understand. 
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May 27, 2015 22:21
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Libluini posted:Yeah, but did you ever have to write down a program on a piece of paper, give it to a another IT-person to process for you and then a week later you got a huge blank paper with ERROR written on it? And by "getting" I mean you had to go to the IT-facility in person to receive your output. (Not that I ever had to do that, but I read a book about COBOL-programming during the 60s. That poo poo was bollocks.) Was it MUMPS? Inquiring minds must know.
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May 27, 2015 22:22
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my friend at work deals with our shitpile of homegrown work software written by clinical retards using delphi. poo poo is bad, i hear. also i had a privilege of seeing a application which was supposed to track commercial ships written in visual basic by a guy who was by trade a excavator operator. it wasn't very good. cthulhoo fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 22:23
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30.5 Days posted:I guess I've been sheltered because my experience has been that a new project at an established company is usually architected, planned, tested, etc to pretty exacting specifications, especially with regard to maintainability. Then there's the stuff that was made near the company's founding which is garbage because it was made by dumbass 20 year olds who had no senior developers present, no idea what they were doing, trying to run all nighters and then being surprised by poo poo output. It's not that this doesn't happen or that companies like this do not exist. it is that this is vastly more common than most people realize. Please note that I am not talking about software projects which are so disastrous that they collapse under their own weight. While those exist as well, what I'm really saying is that most successful projects contain a good bit of code and design that is hardly standardized as well very obvious code which was thrown together quickly because the programmer had little choice. This is common even if it may be undesirable. No one "plans" for this to happen.
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May 27, 2015 22:25
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cthulhoo posted:i had to interface with a bank running on a system written in coldfusion by a literal jazz musician The professor whose work I'm dealing with right now jumped into physics programming directly out of a music degree. Her work is 5x better than the hot garbage I see Java babies trying to cram through a compiler. Also: putting a program on paper, flow charts, all the dumb poo poo schools and companies extrapolate out of programming is hilarious.
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May 27, 2015 22:25
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cthulhoo posted:my friend at work deals with our shitpile of homegrown work software written by clinical retards using delphi. poo poo is bad, i hear. Delphi is the OO version of Pascal.
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May 27, 2015 22:27
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May 27, 2015 22:28
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WYSIWYG programming is truly the greatest thing.
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May 27, 2015 22:29
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Iron Tusk posted:Delphi is the OO version of Pascal. While technically true, it's also sort of an ide. It's really hard to explain unless you remember Borland being a thing.
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May 27, 2015 22:30
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Man, remember when Borland was a thing?
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May 27, 2015 22:30
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remember when they gone terminally dotcom and rebranded into ~inprise~ lol
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30.5 Days posted:Was it MUMPS? Inquiring minds must know. It was either PASCAL or literally COBOL, but honestly, I forgot. 
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Libluini posted:It was either PASCAL or literally COBOL, but honestly, I forgot. Aw, I was hoping for something REAL weird.
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May 27, 2015 22:33
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Wow what a bunch of nerds, just make the numbers bigger and get back to work. I have money to count.
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May 27, 2015 22:44
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pkzip -ex -r -p -&w doom.zip
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I swear to god ill insult glorious ff14 again just to get this thread back on track.
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Double Monocle posted:I swear to god ill insult glorious ff14 again just to get this thread back on track. I resent you trying to control the thread. If anything wildstar is the embodiment of libertarian values applied to a virtual space.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:wildstar is the embodiment of libertarian values applied to a virtual space. No that's EVE.
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May 28, 2015 00:21
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Iron Tusk posted:I wanted to say Vet Shiphands are pretty fun. Thanks. Making fun things is what I try to do, so it's good to hear you liked 'em.
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I feel kind of bad for mocking someone who is clearly suffering from some rather debilitating mental illness, but for some bizarre reason Franbunny has posted a picture of her teeth on Reddit. It is just too weird not to share with this thread. She even wears a Wildstar t-shirt in the pictures! How's that for free publicity? For the curious: http://imgur.com/a/PKJZb
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May 28, 2015 00:42
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I love meth before and after pictures.
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Chomp8645 posted:No that's EVE. I meant in terms of the development virtual space
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30.5 Days posted:Man, remember when Borland was a thing? Highschool comp sci in 1997.
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CoffeeBooze posted:I feel kind of bad for mocking someone who is clearly suffering from some rather debilitating mental illness, but for some bizarre reason Franbunny has posted a picture of her teeth on Reddit. It is just too weird not to share with this thread. She even wears a Wildstar t-shirt in the pictures! How's that for free publicity?  
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The lovely copy of Borland 3 that went with exposure c++doesn't count, you have to have used OWL or whatever it was called
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CodeWarrior was the poo poo also my phone autocorrects CodeWarrior for some reason
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Holy gently caress its like she walked out A nightmare before christmas. That is awful
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