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I agree, Gaelic Football is the best form of football
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Xandu posted:Right, I may have misinterpreted this ah, yeah, but that still only gives them the right to refuse extradition if they prosecute for the exact same charges themselves, and given that the Fed is customized to produce hundreds of charges from singular acts they likely can create scenarios that the Swiss wouldnt be able to prosecute even if they wanted to. in theory. as a spitball. in the most casual observation. in other words dont ask questions I dont have answers.
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May 28, 2015 18:07
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Strange Americans thinking anybody cares what their justice department calls football. Nobody here will start calling it soccer.Xandu posted:He's Swiss, pretty sure they can refuse. I don't even think that the Swiss are really against putting Blatter behind bars, so I don't see why they would refuse to extradite him.
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May 28, 2015 18:11
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Torrannor posted:I don't even think that the Swiss are really against putting Blatter behind bars, so I don't see why they would refuse to extradite him.
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May 28, 2015 18:15
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If someone else was willing to clean up their mess, they'd be mad to not step back and say "have at it".
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May 28, 2015 19:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d6UKHaHvKw if anyone finds a better quality gif please let me know. Baron Porkface fucked around with this message at 20:59 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 20:52
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Just imagine if Blatter gets arrested right after he is declared the winner for the next term of FIFA presidency.
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May 28, 2015 20:56
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OhYeah posted:Just imagine if Blatter gets arrested right after he is declared the winner for the next term of FIFA presidency. There's probably another round of bribes involved in the elections to nail him for.
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May 28, 2015 20:57
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OhYeah posted:Just imagine if Blatter gets arrested right after he is declared the winner for the next term of FIFA presidency. Apparently Jack Warner has said that he's going to flip on Blatter so we won't have to imagine for long.
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May 28, 2015 21:06
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America, gently caress yeah! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32909908
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May 28, 2015 21:10
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I imagine it's easier to cheer for America being world policeman when they're busting criminals instead of randomly-determined dictatorships. 
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May 28, 2015 21:16
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Nessus posted:I imagine it's easier to cheer for America being world policeman when they're busting criminals instead of randomly-determined dictatorships. FIFA sounds like a randomly determined dictatorship to me.
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May 28, 2015 21:25
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saintonan posted:FIFA sounds like a randomly determined dictatorship to me. "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Soccer forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
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May 28, 2015 21:31
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Well you know it is a sport played by military aged males. They knew the risks.
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May 28, 2015 21:41
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Orange Devil posted:Well you know it is a sport played by military aged males. They knew the risks. How often is soccer played at weddings?
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May 28, 2015 21:47
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The Swiss wouldn't even extradite noted child rapist Roman Polanski to the U.S., I doubt they'll extradite Blatter. Hopefully they can build a case against him with the Americans' help though and punish him domestically. The thought of Blatter sitting in a swank Swiss prison may not be as emotionally satisfying as the thought of him rotting in some desperate American dungeon, but ultimately it will mean the end of him and his grip over football and that's still a big win for everybody. The thought of Russia losing its World Cup over corruption brings joy to my heart. It probably won't happen, but I'll hold out hope for a while.
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May 28, 2015 21:52
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Wasn't Polanski hiding out in France?
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May 28, 2015 22:08
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Gen. Ripper posted:Wasn't Polanski hiding out in France? Polanski hides out and whines about how persecuted he is in a lot of different places.
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May 28, 2015 22:15
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Gen. Ripper posted:Wasn't Polanski hiding out in France? He was arrested on a US warrant in Switzerland when he went to attend a film festival. He fought the U.S. extradition order and won.
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May 28, 2015 22:16
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Gen. Ripper posted:Wasn't Polanski hiding out in France? He decided to fly to Zurich for a film festival and was stopped at the airport upon landing. The swiss used the fact that Polanski technically served most if not all of the slap on the wrist sentence he was going to get to deny the request.
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May 28, 2015 22:19
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Remember that time that Roman Polanski was facing RICO charges? That must be why we're talking about him now, right?
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May 28, 2015 22:25
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Radbot posted:Remember that time that Roman Polanski was facing RICO charges? That must be why we're talking about him now, right? I'm just saying, in the pantheon of crime child rape still trumps white collar crime, even as lovely as FIFA is, and the Swiss used a half assed excuse not to extradite someone who wasn't even their citizen.
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May 28, 2015 22:30
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A Pale Horse posted:I'm just saying, in the pantheon of crime child rape still trumps white collar crime, even as lovely as FIFA is, and the Swiss used a half assed excuse not to extradite someone who wasn't even their citizen. Polanski wasn't running a massive world-wide child sex trafficking ring whose business was blatantly obvious to anyone with two functioning brain cells, though.
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May 28, 2015 22:38
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saintonan posted:FIFA sounds like a randomly determined dictatorship to me. It's not really random if you bribe everyone to vote for you though.
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May 28, 2015 22:45
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A Pale Horse posted:The Swiss wouldn't even extradite noted child rapist Roman Polanski to the U.S., I doubt they'll extradite Blatter. Polanski's case was controversial, he has many friends and the offense was 40 years old. Also, rape was not what he was charged with. Blatter has no chance of contesting extradition if and when it happens.
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May 28, 2015 23:42
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What's the etiquette for offering and accepting bribes for big-ticket items like becoming a World Cup host? Do you come to a handshake agreement before transferring the funds? Do a bunch of different countries get into a bidding war and you just go with the high bidder while pocketing everyone else's "deposits"? Or do you just throw a bunch of money at these guys all the time and wait for them to come through on something big? edit: vvv obviously, but I was hoping for immediate satisfaction Grey Fox fucked around with this message at 01:17 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 01:10
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Grey Fox posted:What's the etiquette for offering and accepting bribes for big-ticket items like becoming a World Cup host? Do you come to a handshake agreement before transferring the funds? Do a bunch of different countries get into a bidding war and you just go with the high bidder while pocketing everyone else's "deposits"? Or do you just throw a bunch of money at these guys all the time and wait for them to come through on something big?
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May 29, 2015 01:14
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Oh, hey! Ask and ye shall receive: quote:Thereafter, in a private meeting, LEOZ told Co Conspirator #2, in sum and substance, that Co-Conspirator #2 would make a lot of money from the rights he was acquiring and that LEOZ did not think it was fair that he (LEOZ) did not also make money. LEOZ told Co-Conspirator #2 that he would not sign the contract if Co-Conspirator #2 did not agree to pay him a bribe. After Co-Conspirator #2 agreed to make the payment, LEOZ signed the contract. Co-Conspirator #2 caused the payment—a six-figure U.S. dollar payment—to be made to an account designated by LEOZ. http://screamer.deadspin.com/how-many-ways-can-you-hide-a-bribe-the-best-of-the-fif-1707221505
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Some of those stories are great.quote:In a March 2014 meeting with Co-Conspirator #2 in Queens, New York to discuss the status of Traffic’s ongoing bribe schemes, including the Gold Cup/Champions League schemes, the defendant AARON DAVIDSON said, referring to the practice of paying bribes to obtain commercial rights: “Is it illegal? It is illegal. Within the big picture of things, a company that has worked in this industry for 30 years, is it bad? It is bad.”
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May 29, 2015 01:57
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Is FIFA hosed? Yes, they are hosed.
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May 29, 2015 02:01
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Not defending FIFA at all, but what are the actual criminal charges these people are facing? All I've been able to find in all the stories I've read just vaguely mention "bribery" and "corruption," but what laws were broken? There don't seem to be any government officials involved, the only examples given seem to involve one commercial enterprise bribing another. Anyone know any legal details here?
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The Born Approx. posted:Not defending FIFA at all, but what are the actual criminal charges these people are facing? All I've been able to find in all the stories I've read just vaguely mention "bribery" and "corruption," but what laws were broken? There don't seem to be any government officials involved, the only examples given seem to involve one commercial enterprise bribing another. Anyone know any legal details here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud for starters.
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The Born Approx. posted:Not defending FIFA at all, but what are the actual criminal charges these people are facing? All I've been able to find in all the stories I've read just vaguely mention "bribery" and "corruption," but what laws were broken? There don't seem to be any government officials involved, the only examples given seem to involve one commercial enterprise bribing another. Anyone know any legal details here? http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nine-fifa-officials-and-five-corporate-executives-indicted-racketeering-conspiracy-and quote:A 47-count indictment was unsealed early this morning in federal court in Brooklyn, New York, charging 14 defendants with racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, among other offenses, in connection with the defendants’ participation in a 24-year scheme to enrich themselves through the corruption of international soccer. The guilty pleas of four individual defendants and two corporate defendants were also unsealed today. somewhat beaten...
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The Born Approx. posted:Not defending FIFA at all, but what are the actual criminal charges these people are facing? All I've been able to find in all the stories I've read just vaguely mention "bribery" and "corruption," but what laws were broken? There don't seem to be any government officials involved, the only examples given seem to involve one commercial enterprise bribing another. Anyone know any legal details here? Just a quick note here, you are aware it is illegal to bribe people who are not government officials right?
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May 29, 2015 03:08
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I don't give a poo poo about football/soccer and am enjoying this thread and the one in SAS immensely. It's the first time in my life the US has done something big and so unambiguously good that most of the world is cheerleading us.  Can we please have more of this and less military adventures and GOP insanity?
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farraday posted:Just a quick note here, you are aware it is illegal to bribe people who are not government officials right? It's also illegal to bribe government officials if other officials who weren't in on the deal, and likely won't be in the future, find out. E: Also, there's generally a certain amount of style and subtlety involved. Be too blatantly corrupt and other powerful people who have no objections whatsoever to your graft might take you down just because you make them look bad. Alkydere fucked around with this message at 03:38 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 03:36
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farraday posted:Just a quick note here, you are aware it is illegal to bribe people who are not government officials right? As far as I know, bribery of other than government officials is a matter of state law, and not universally illegal. It's not even clear to me that it would constitute commercial bribery if the people at the very top were in on it, though I might very well be wrong on that. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 03:47 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 03:42
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Strudel Man posted:Under what law? When you do it interstate or internationally it is wire fraud. Wire fraud makes Uncle Sam mad.
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May 29, 2015 03:51
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Commercial bribery sounds a lot like regular ol' capitalism to me.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It's one of several types of fraud depending on circumstances.
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