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James The 1st posted:Expect for Schoenberg's school of atonal junk. That's quite harsh, at least Alban Berg is often discarded too early. He didn't write much (his work style was extremely slow and careful), but he used the new composing techniques highly imaginatively. Mederlock posted:I've been listening to Mahler's 5th and 6th Symphonies, and I've especially loved the poo poo out of the first two movements of the 6th (in the correct andante/scherzo order Bruckner and Richard Strauss are the first that come to my mind, although both can be very different to Mahler, who certainly composed the most "massive" music.
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How about some of Mahler's other work? I've only listened to the 2nd, 5th, and 6th Symphonies
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Rachmaninoff's 2nd might fit the bill as well, I've been listening to that on the car quite a bit recently.
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Yea, might as well check out the rest of Mahler's works. 3rd and 7th come to mind to check out first, but they all have great brass except the 4th. Shostakovich 1, 5, 7 come to mind. Bruckner 4, 7, 8. Also check out Hindemith, Sibelius, Rimsky-Korsakov.
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Honj Steak posted:That's quite harsh, at least Alban Berg is often discarded too early. He didn't write much (his work style was extremely slow and careful), but he used the new composing techniques highly imaginatively I wholeheartedly agree with Berg. I absolutely love his music. His Violin Concerto and Lyric Suite are certainly worth exploring.
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krampster2 posted:Please don't die on me thread, I need recommendations. Can anyone recommend me good books on classical music? Something beginner friendly and not too bogged down in theory. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0393326381?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
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Mederlock posted:How about some of Mahler's other work? I've only listened to the 2nd, 5th, and 6th Symphonies you should really check out Kindertotenlieder.
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opus111 posted:you should really check out Kindertotenlieder. Will do! Went to the Edmonton symphony Orchestra last night, they started with a Bach chorale prelude on the sweet rear end organ which was awesome, and then we were treated to Stephen Hough on piano for Beethoven's 4th piano concerto, followed by a short Sibelius piece and Nielsen's 5th symphony. Nielsen's 5th was sorta weird but really loving cool. This is like the 4th time I've ever gone to see classical music live and I think I'm hooked. My wallet is going to hurt next season...
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Mederlock posted:My wallet is going to hurt next season... Or you come to glorious socialist Europe, live here, and have almost free classical music and opera houses in every town.  This is a slowly dying thing, though. gently caress the current cultural policies. 
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God drat I would love that. Maybe I should look seriously at one of the Scandinavian country's wicked foreign student university programs...
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Mederlock posted:God drat I would love that. Maybe I should look seriously at one of the Scandinavian country's wicked foreign student university programs... To help you find the definitive place for your future home, have a map:  But like I said, a lot of these orchestras are vanishing slowly but steadily, so hurry up. 
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honestly I find going to concerts frustrating as hell cos of all the coughing and sneezing and snuffling that goes on. Also unwrapping sweets. WTF? People can't just sit still.
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My closest orchestra only plays collections of movements from various compositions. All their performances have a theme like a country or a composer and they just play a bunch of bits and pieces from that theme but no complete compositions  At least I can go for almost half price because of student discounts.
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opus111 posted:honestly I find going to concerts frustrating as hell cos of all the coughing and sneezing and snuffling that goes on. Also unwrapping sweets. WTF? People can't just sit still. Holy poo poo this. I still love going to concerts(well only been to 4 so far), but it's pretty obnoxious how inconsiderate people are. Like, if you're coughing your lungs out every 40 seconds, I'm sorry, but you need to realize you're ruining everyone else's experience and leave.
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I swear there is some economics paper (maybe it was even linked in this thread, I'm not sure) about how people in a concert setting cough more often than a normal setting. I don't think the paper concludes why exactly but yes, it is a thing.I understand the frustration for sure but at the same time that is part of the experience -- being deahtly ill from hw you described isn't though!
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Lumius posted:I swear there is some economics paper (maybe it was even linked in this thread, I'm not sure) about how people in a concert setting cough more often than a normal setting. I don't think the paper concludes why exactly but yes, it is a thing.I understand the frustration for sure but at the same time that is part of the experience -- being deahtly ill from hw you described isn't though! No yeah, for sure. But this guy would go on a 10-15 second coughing fit every minute or two, and he had a pretty distinctly annoying whine to it.
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Sometimes I've got the impression that it's particularly guys who don't want to be emotionally affected by the music that make the most noise. Also reverse psychology - "you're not allowed to cough here!".
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Mederlock posted:Will do! James The 1st fucked around with this message at 05:56 on May 31, 2015 |
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Arise, wake up from the dead once more oh classical thread. In the past 8 months or so I have really taken to classical music to the point where now it's almost all I listen to. Although I'm still annoyed at the narrowness of my listening, I haven't discovered that much so in the hopes of doing so here is a short list of what I really loved, stuff I listened to again and again, the cream of the crop in my opinion. Can anyone recommend music based off my taste? I find it so drat hard to discover new music for some retarded reason. Beethoven: Violin Sonata No.9, Op.47 Beethoven: Symphony No.5, Op.67 Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.32, Op.111 Beethoven: Symphony No.9, Op.125 Brahms: Violin Sonata No.2, Op.100 Mahler: Symphony No.2 Mahler: Symphony no.6 Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No.2, Op.18 Rachmaninoff: Piano Transcription, Kriesler - Love's Sorrow Saint Saens: Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso, Op.28 Saint Saens: Violin Concerto No.3, Op.61 Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1, Op.23 Berg: 3 Pieces For Orchestra, Op.6
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Hmm I can't think of any particular pieces right now, because right now I'm not able to listen to the things you posted, but the first names that came to my mind when reading your list were somehow Schubert and Fauré. Are you already familiar with their works? If it's not what your looking for, give them a fair try anyway. Especially Schubert is an incredibly limitless composer imo. 
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Honj Steak posted:Hmm I can't think of any particular pieces right now, because right now I'm not able to listen to the things you posted, but the first names that came to my mind when reading your list were somehow Schubert and Fauré. Are you already familiar with their works? If it's not what your looking for, give them a fair try anyway. Especially Schubert is an incredibly limitless composer imo. I haven't actually looked into them yet but have been meaning to try out Schubert for a while.
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Well I'm going to go with some very safe suggestions that stick pretty close to the list you gave to start off with, hell you've probably been listening to them. If so I can drag up some more stuff. Dvorák - New World Symphony (kind of a more popular piece that I don't think gets as much credit as it's due) Mahler - Symphony no. 5 (I like this one equally as much as the 6th, those loving brass parts in the first movements just do it for me) Chopin - Piano Concerto no. 1 (this and his nocturnes are absolutely amazing) Beethoven - Symphony no. 3 (what's up with Beethoven and his odd numbered Symphonies being the And now this one is a little out of right field, as it's a CD by a fantastic Euphonium soloist with a British style brass band, but it is absolutely sublime. I can pretty much guarantee you'll enjoy it, and if you're not aware of what an euphonium is, it's basically like a tenor tuba that's pitched the same as a trombone, and it's awesome. Shameless plugs for the instrument I play abound itt Thomas Ruedi - Elegie (on iTunes for sure and I think amazon music)
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Mederlock posted:Well I'm going to go with some very safe suggestions that stick pretty close to the list you gave to start off with, hell you've probably been listening to them. If so I can drag up some more stuff. Thanks! Actually Beethoven's 3rd is the only one of those I've listened to (I liked it) so I'll give everything else a go. Found Thomas Ruedi on Spotify and am listening to Elegie right now.
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krampster2 posted:Arise, wake up from the dead once more oh classical thread. His supposedly weaker symphonies are still amazing. The piano sonatas are also fantastic. Don't forget the concertos as well, more amazing stuff. Beethoven is totally badass. Also Saint Saens symphony 3 with high volume, it will knock your pants off. I highly reconmend Faure, his music is so beutiful. Dvorak is really good, especially symphonies 7-9, his Requiem, and of course the Cello Concerto. Tchaikovsky's orchestral works are great, I really enjoy them. You can't go wrong with Brahms either, especially his chamber music. I've been listening to a lot of Brittish composers lately, there's a lot of good ones like Vaughan Willams (one of the great masters in my view), John Ireland (nice piano concerto), Holst (The planets!), Delius (cool impressionist music), Walton to name some. James The 1st fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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krampster2 posted:Thanks! Actually Beethoven's 3rd is the only one of those I've listened to (I liked it) so I'll give everything else a go. Found Thomas Ruedi on Spotify and am listening to Elegie right now. Nice, let me know what you think of it by the end! The last piece is super cool. As for a few more suggestions to throw in the mix, here's a few more I like too Beethoven - Symphony no. 4 Mozart - Symphony no. 41 Holst - The Planets Suite Igor Stravinsky - Firebird Suite Edward Elgar - Enigma Variations Edvard Grieg - Piano Concerto + Peer Gynt Suites 1&2 (I guarantee you'll know a few movements of the first suite) Bach - Toccata and Fugue (gently caress yeah 15 minutes of organ) Dvorák - Cello Concerto
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krampster2 posted:Arise, wake up from the dead once more oh classical thread. Check out the rest of Beethoven's piano sonatas if you haven't. If you like No. 32, his late sonatas 28-32 are all great, with 31 being my favorite. Pollini and Richter both have made great recordings of these. Check out Richter's performance of Schumann's piano concerto. Great choice on Brahm's Violin Sonata 2... it is a favorite and I have performed it before... both the violin and piano parts are incredible. Have you listened to Brahms Violin Sonata No's 1 and 3? They are also great, esp 1. Also have you heard Brahms's Piano Concerto 2? For other violin works, try - Sibelius' Violin Concerto - Berg's Violin Concerto. - You might also check out Schubert's song cycles. Like the Brahm's Violin Sonata 2, I really find Schubert wonderful in that the piano accompaniments are just as interesting as the lead (in this case voice)... try Winterreise and Die Schone Mullerin. Obvious other rec's if you like Mahler, try his other symphonies (try 1, 3, 5, 9, and Das Lied Von der Erde), but also check out - Bruckner (4, 7, and 8). - Rachmaninov's Symphonic Dances - Shostakovich (5 and 10 to start with). You also might want to explore more chamber work: - Beethoven's String Quartet No. 13, Op 130 - Shostakovich String Quartet No. 8. - Bartok's String Quartets - Brahm's Clarinet Quintet - Schubert's Trout Piano Quintet 80k fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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James The 1st posted:I've been listening to a lot of Brittish composers lately, there's a lot of good ones like Vaughan Willams (one of the great masters in my view), John Ireland (nice piano concerto), Holst (The planets!), Delius (cool impressionist music), Walton to name some. Britten's cool too. As is Elgar. Dream of Gerontius is brilliant
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I really like Saint-Saens Danse Macabre. I'm not really sure what it is about it that makes it so great to listen to. Here's a more traditional orchestra version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM And Secret Chiefs 3 doing a great rendition (and probably where I first heard the piece): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JULsxBm1Uiw Would you guys have any recommendations of pieces similar to it?
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Beethoven's 8th symphony is my favourite, be sure to check that out. It's quite short. Maybe you should also look at: Handel's recorder and violin sonatas (the recorder ones are really underrated imo) Mozart flute quartet K285 (the rondo part especially) Mozart symphony no. 40 Mozart piano sonata K332 Mozart piano concerto 11 K413 opus111 fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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Here's a lovely little canon by beethoven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwGDmuKCths There is so much beethoven worth looking at in his WoO works (without opus). You should try to find a collection of everything he did. It will keep you occupied for years.
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Thanks for the recs guys! Going to listen to as much of it as I can, update my list and then get back to you. Will probably take me a while, some days I just don't feel very musical, then others days all I'll do is listen to music (it's weird like that). Anyway most of what I've listened to has come from this thread and it has not let me down so far. I finished listening to Elegie yesterday and enjoyed it quite a lot actually (might even add it to the list after a few more listens). Ziguenerweisen by Pablo de Sarasate was my favorite piece from the collection, particularly when it got really fast paced. It was nice to hear what brass instruments are capable of as up until now I'd mostly just viewed them as instruments to create dramatic effect in Mahler's symphonies haha.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it and that I spread the good news of the euphonium and it's brass brethren. The fun thing about that piece is it was actually written by Sarasate who was a violin virtuoso and composer in the late 1800's. It was originally written for Violin and Orchestra, here's a good recording of the original https://youtu.be/xir-5oAWxXE
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krampster2 posted:Arise, wake up from the dead once more oh classical thread. Here are some more recommendations! Someone recommended Holst, along those lines you might wish to check out Howard Hanson. In particular Op. 22 More along the lines of Mahler or Berg- Waldemar von Bassnern, symphony no 7 and Alberic Magnard For something more powerfully romantic like beethoven's later work I would suggest Jan Vaclav Vorisek. And if you like brahms at all (I love Brahms) absolutely look into not only the aforementioned Dvorak, but Robert Fuchs as well. Fuchs was a composer Brahms admired, and it's evident enough. I'd really like some recommendations as well, I'm woefully illiterate when it comes to music. What I'm looking for is music similar to: Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Messiaen, Dutilleux. Any recommendations in general would be appreciated!
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Quantumfate posted:I'd really like some recommendations as well, I'm woefully illiterate when it comes to music. What I'm looking for is music similar to: Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Messiaen, Dutilleux. Any recommendations in general would be appreciated! For 20th century music, you can't go wrong with the Russian crop: Scriabin (late works), Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Stravinsky. Check out Alfred Scnittke too, he's pretty baller. Dragas fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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Quantumfate posted:And if you like brahms at all (I love Brahms) absolutely look into not only the aforementioned Dvorak, but Robert Fuchs as well. Fuchs was a composer Brahms admired, and it's evident enough.
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By the way these recorder sonatas of Handel's, very nice. I don't listen to a lot of baroque music but I like this. Might trying giving a recorder a toot sometime, seems like a good entry drug into woodwind instruments. Thanks for the rec opus.
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np, always happy to share good music. btw here's the best thing he did for the keyboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UliqxvIwJ0 also he has the exact same face as my mate, who is also a creative genius, but with paint instead of music.
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Quantumfate posted:What I'm looking for is music similar to: Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Messiaen, Dutilleux. Any recommendations in general would be appreciated! If you like Schoenberg, you might like Roger Sessions, who moved from spiky Stravinsky influenced neo-classical style (Black Masker's Suite) to intense chromaticism cum atonality (Violin Concerto and 2nd Symphony) to full blown idiomatic use of 12-tone music. I'm particularly fond of the 3rd Symphony, I just wish there was more than the one lackluster recording of it! Yeah, I know he's an acquired taste. gently caress all y'all. Roger Sessions Violin Concerto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwndZGzTPM Roger Sessions Symphony no. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKZI9unk9yc Dutilleux is my jams as well. Some of his pieces are sooooooo tight. Métaboles is easily in my top [number] favorite pieces. 2nd Symphony "The Double" is ridiculously good as well, and features a chamber orchestra nestled within the full orchestra. It's hard to really compare modern composers and recommend stuff because a lot of composers' outputs are so singular. I guess Boulez would be a good bet if you like Dutilleux and Messiaen. That said, I really recommend the music of Witold Lutosławski who along with Penderecki is one of Poland's musical giants of the 20th century. He's notable for his controlled use of aleatory (or "random") techniques, giving players some measure freedom as to their interpretation, usually tempo. Among the double fistful of masterpieces he's written are the Cello Concerto (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twumi_6ET5M ) and the 3rd Symphony, which is massive and insane. I'm a fan of tons of his stuff, including early gems like the Symphonic Variations and the First Symphony (one of the central targets of a major Stalinist crackdown on the arts!), full blast mind-blowing aleatory techniques in middle period pieces like Livre pour Orchestre and the aforementioned Cello Concerto, and the assured late-period works like the Piano Concerto and Fourth Symphony. And for the Schnittke lovers out there, you have to check out the new recording of his batshit insane 3rd Symphony (a lot of those in this post). I once ordered a score of this piece and for some points you can't really read along with it because it's already almost 2 feet tall, and you need to take out these huge loose papers cuz all the individual string instruments are playing their own line in a canon. Yeah... there's a giant fuckoff canon at the start. The second movement is like taking a bad trip through music history, the third movement scherzo features electric bass. The fourth movement chills out a bit, kind of a take on the last movements of Mahler 3 or 9. Worth checking out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HLlsODXbWk Mahler fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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