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Antifreeze Head: Jun 6, 2005; It begins; Pillbug

Baronjutter posted:

How do you people that move around a lot, even to other countries, manage? Are you just really good at languages and forging new social networks or just not the sort of people who really need a circle of close friends nearby?

I lived in China for a while and there was not much need to be good at spoken Chinese to live there. The locals did not want to speak to me in my limited Mandarin, but were very eager to talk to me in English so long as I wanted only to discuss how awesome China is and how much of a cool guy Dr. Norman Bethune was. There is a good chance you have never heard of Dr. Bethune, but he is a really big deal there.

I was in a smaller centre that doesn't have a lot of foreigners, so I was a bit of a curiosity. I got invited over for a lot of meals with my Chinese co-workers, but the rotation of other guests from outside the company always made me think that my Chinese co-workers were trying to impress their friends by showing off the white guy. CCTV5 (their sports network) seemed to have a similar policy because I would be on TV a lot whenever I went to a baseball game.

But it was very easy to build up a social network among the foreigners there because there were a few expat bars that people flocked to just so they could talk about something other than how supposedly awesome China is. Generally these discussions were about how terrible China is.

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Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.thestar.com/life/homes/2015/05/29/mom-helping-son-with-down-payment-ends-miserably.html

loving lol.

Also 'Nickolas' claims to make 90k year.

http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0/0/ontario/superior-court-of-justice/2012/01/20/crepeau-v-crepeau-et-al-2012-onsc-418.shtml

Can the bank not go after both parties for fraud?

# ? May 29, 2015 19:47

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Saw this today, seems David Hughes is taking another set of overly optimistic energy "estimates" to task:
http://thetyee.ca/News/2015/05/26/Hughes-Natural-Gas-Report/

quote:

BC Natural Gas Reserves Inflated, Revenues Overstated, Report Finds

Analyst David Hughes offers another challenge to the province's nascent industry.

By Andrew Nikiforuk, 26 May 2015, TheTyee.ca

'Long-term supplies of gas at low prices are by no means assured,' says analyst David Hughes.

A new report on liquefied natural gas prospects for British Columbia challenges government claims that gas exports will lower greenhouse gas emissions, or generate $100 billion in profits for the province.

The report published today by David Hughes, one of Canada's foremost energy analysts and a former federal government geoscientist, also contends that the provincial government has vastly overestimated the amount of gas available for export.
The National Energy Board has approved 12 export licences to Asia or the United States with another seven under review along the B.C. coast.* The provincial government, which has lowered taxes and royalties to promote the new industry, expects only three to five terminals may be eventually built.
Due to depressed oil prices, global competition and cost over-runs in the capital intensive industry, not one project has yet announced a final investment decision.
Government fact sheets claim, for example, that "British Columbia's natural gas supply is estimated at over 2,933 trillion cubic feet," or enough gas to last 150 years.
But Hughes notes the B.C. Oil and Gas Commission estimates raw gas reserves (gas that can be drilled and recovered based on existing economics and well data) for the province at 42.3 trillion cubic feet.
The commission calculates "marketable resources," or what industry might be able to find, drill and frack -- a highly uncertain figure, due to high decline rates and the spotty nature of unconventional shale resources -- at 442 trillion cubic feet.
As a result, Hughes calls the government's inflated figure of 2,933 trillion cubic feet, or 70 times more than proven reserves listed by the commission, "a false and irresponsible statement."

Windfall profits questioned
Government claims about earning windfall profits from gas exports also have no basis in real economics, Hughes argues in his report.
The B.C. government has argued that industry could extract gas at $6 per million BTU and sell it in Asia, say, for more than $14 a unit and capture the difference with a liquefied natural gas tax. (The BTU is a standard unit of energy which represents the amount of heat energy needed to raise the temperature of a pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit.)
But landed LNG prices in Japan and Korea, reports Hughes, "were estimated at $7.45 per [million BTU] in June 2015, and $7.30 in China."
Meanwhile, North American gas prices could easily rise beyond $6 in the medium term and erase any potential for windfall profits "as sweet spots in U.S. shale gas plays are drilled off and production must come from lower quality, higher cost regions," Hughes reports.
The narrower the gap between B.C. and international prices, "the longer it takes to pay off capital costs before the maximum LNG tax rate is invoked and the smaller the returns to government. Hence the B.C. public absorbs much of the downside risk through reduced revenues," he reports.
Hughes, who lives on Cortes Island, last year challenged oil industry promotional estimates that California had enough shale oil to trigger an economic boom.
Based on his findings, David Hughes, who has mapped many of Canada's unconventional coal and gas deposits, said that British Columbians should ask their MLAs two basic questions:
"Knowing that fossil fuels are finite and will likely be needed domestically in the future -- and come with collateral environmental impacts -- why aren't you developing a long-term energy plan beyond short-term liquidation for potentially illusory financial returns?"
His other key question concerns energy revenues.
"How much will the province actually make from the reduced LNG tax given forseeable LNG prices and when will that money accrue?" -- Andrew Nikiforuk
After reviewing the math and real well production data, Hughes concluded that the potential of the Monterey shale had been "highly overstated." The U.S. federal government later downgraded its estimates. (Hughes's work has been widely quoted in the Economist, Forbes, Bloomberg and the Tyee.)

'Extremely aggressive'
According to Hughes, the B.C. government has also diminished the environmental impact of fracking shale gas fields to fill LNG terminals.
"The literature offered by the B.C. government to the public is somewhat disingenuous when it comes to estimating the amount and intensity of land disturbance and water consumption in the development of upstream supply for LNG exports," claims his report.
The government, for example, rarely includes the impact of roads, pipelines and seismic lines when assessing land disturbance by the fracking industry. Yet these account for the majority of the land disturbance -- the growth in wells, roads, and pipelines could extend across a 17,000 square-kilometre area in northeastern B.C.
"LNG exports would necessitate a major ramp-up in drilling, ranging from 14,200 wells "just to fill one large terminal," claims Hughes, and rise to 37,800 wells to fill the government's desired scenario of five terminals by 2040.
Land fragmentation by the oil and gas industry has already endangered woodland caribou in the region.
The water impacts could also be significant. B.C.'s hydraulic fracturing industry uses 25.6 million gallons a well to crack rock in the Horn River shale, and 3.5 million gallons for the Montney shale. (Conventional gas wells consume much less water.)
To feed five liquefied natural gas terminals, the hydraulic fracturing industry would require 55 million cubic metres of water per year by 2021. According to Hughes, that "is equivalent to 22,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools, or roughly half the consumption rate of the cities of Vancouver or Calgary."
"By any measure, the LNG exports planned by the B.C. government are extremely aggressive, and they are based on tenuous assumptions of available gas resources and the ability of the industry to ramp up and sustain production at the levels required," concludes Hughes.

Better than coal?
The B.C. government has long contended in fact sheets distributed to the province's high schools that exporting "clean" natural gas to China would reduce the use of dirty coal and therefore reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
But the fact sheets are based on questionable numbers, Hughes argues. For example, the 1.5 per cent methane leakage rate from shale gas fields cited by the government is an underestimation, he says. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency now uses a leakage rate of three per cent.
Using the three per cent figure on methane leakage, "burning imported B.C. LNG in China would produce 27 per cent more greenhouse gas emissions from the various processes in the LNG supply chain on a 20-year time frame," Hughes claims.
As a consequence, he reports, "building modern coal plants in China is likely to be superior on a 20-year timeline to building new gas plants to burn imported B.C. LNG."
Hughes's report, funded by the Vancouver Foundation and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, echoes the findings of a recent study on natural gas extraction in Canada by the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies.
It found that the window for exporting gas to Asia has closed for at least a decade due to global price volatility and fierce global competition.
Asian firms investing in LNG terminals, pipelines, and the fracturing of shale formations face considerable risks, because "long-term supplies of gas at low prices are by no means assured, hence neither are the profits necessary to reimburse the very large capital investments required," Hughes says.
It costs about $10 billion to build a liquefied natural gas terminal.

Guessing this will be more relevant in the short term:
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/5/28/Alberta-wildfire-threat-grows-as-blaze-moves-toward-oil-sands.aspx

quote:

Wildfires have prompted the shutdown of 230,000 barrels a day of oil-sands output, about 10 percent of Canada�s production. Heavy Western Canadian Select crude�s discount to U.S. benchmark West Texas Intermediate narrowed for a second day, shrinking 75 cents to $8.75 a barrel on Wednesday, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

Cenovus shut its 135,000-barrel-a-day Foster Creek operations, located near Cold Lake, on Saturday. Canadian Natural�s 80,000 barrel a day Primrose facility remained down Wednesday after shutting over the weekend, spokeswoman Julie Woo said in an e-mail. Production from the company�s Kirby South operations was reduced by 18,000 barrels a day.

The Cold Lake fire that started Saturday expanded to cover 17,500 hectares (43,000 acres), Alberta�s Environment and Sustainable Resource Development agency said on its website. Another fire near the town of Chard grew to 1,400 hectares and burned in an area with �numerous pipelines and well sites.�

CANADA GDP

Non-conventional oil production represents about 2 percent of Canada�s economy and the impact may slow second-quarter gross domestic product growth as much as 0.3 percentage points, Nick Exarhos, an economist at CIBC World Markets in Toronto, said in a phone interview Wednesday.

�If production itself takes a hit, that will show up in the monthly GDP numbers,� he said. �It will have a bigger effect if it persists into June.�

Haven't seen any more up to date news on this so I've no idea how well/poorly it is going.

Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 29, 2015

# ? May 29, 2015 20:12

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Cultural Imperial posted:

Those towns and villages are hundreds of years old. They weren't "planned".

You want to see European planning? Go to Milton Keynes.

Yeah I flew over the southern UK and it was all a suburban hellscape of sprawl. Terrible. Austria and Germany were gorgeously laid out in hub & spoke style.

Edit: I think it was actually the Czech Republic that I saw the most of, right before Austria. Must go there sometime.

Rime fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 30, 2015

# ? May 29, 2015 20:24

Clipperton: Dec 20, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.thestar.com/life/homes/2015/05/29/mom-helping-son-with-down-payment-ends-miserably.html

loving lol.

Also 'Nickolas' claims to make 90k year.

http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0/0/ontario/superior-court-of-justice/2012/01/20/crepeau-v-crepeau-et-al-2012-onsc-418.shtml

Canada Debt Bubble: Mom, it�s Nick, I got your letter in the mail and ah, your (sic) gonna get your money whenever I feel like giving it to you, so just ah leave us alone OK like I don�t know what the f--- you, you don�t understand so I don�t know what to tell you OK. Love you, bye, bye

# ? May 29, 2015 20:35

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Grimes' Mom just loving shived DJ GREGOR MOONBEAM, Bob Rennie, Christy 'the titties' Clark and the entire BCLP

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/opinion/mayors-speculation-tax-set?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=

quote:

Mayor's speculation tax is a set-up

Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson�s call on Friday for the provincial government to impose a tax on housing speculation has all the look of a not-very-elaborate set-up. It's a sop thrown to a furious public, and nobody's buying.

After all, the mayor just repeated a proposal made hours earlier by condo sales magnate and master ventriloquist, Bob Rennie. Rennie is one of Robertson�s most powerful financial backers and and stalwart supporter of Premier Christy Clark. Respect.

The unexpected arrival of Rennie's bouncing new proposal suggests both the Vancouver and B.C. governments are getting jumpy about the clamouring masses now openly demanding government action on the global capital flooding into Metro Vancouver�s residential real estate.

In the midst of a white-hot housing market, almost 25,000 have signed an online petition calling for restrictions on foreign buying. A major demonstration is planned for Sunday, organized by a group using the hashtag #Donthave1million.

Clark herself poured on the gasoline last week. "By moving foreign owners out of the market, housing prices will drop," she said, neatly summarizing the problem. But with unwavering loyalty to her base on the leafy boulevards of Shaughnessy, the premier cheerily proclaimed, "That�s good for first-time home buyers but not for anybody who is depending on the equity in their home to finance some other projects.�

And note how swiftly the Vancouver mayor adopted Rennie's proposal, in the complete absence of any substantiation by independent experts. After years of claiming we lack sufficient data for a major policy response to the affordability crisis, Robertson reversed himself overnight.

Where's the evidence that our real problem is investor flipping rather than the influx of global capital? Nonexistent. The provincial government doesn�t track foreign buying in real estate transactions, and it�s not going to.
On May 7, Housing Minister Rich Coleman declared that B.C. won't gather data that might tell us what's going on in our own market. Unlike such socialist sissies as Hong Kong, Singapore, Sydney and London that do track foreign buying, B.C.�s government knows the value of wilful blindness.

The provincial government doesn�t want data about global capital, and doesn't want the public to have it either.

And where is Mayor Gregor Robertson on this ludicrous provincial obstinacy? Where was he when Premier Christy Clark pitted west-side homeowners against the working poor and struggling middle class gasping for relief?

Nowhere in sight.

Robertson's speculation tax proposal isn't meant to solve a housing problem, but rather the political problem of an increasingly livid public.

Repeating Bob Rennie's policy ideas will only make things worse. According to a recent Insights West poll, 73 per cent of Vancouverites think developers and lobbyists have too much influence at city hall.
Turning developer talking points into government policy is a phony cure. Gregor Robertson must demand data and real answers from the province and the feds.
As the South China Morning Post�s Ian Young recently tweeted, affordable housing is Vancouver's most pressing social justice issue.

stinkeye for real estate

# ? May 30, 2015 06:09

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008; Can't post for 7 hours!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9DqP5a_qxc

Here's some more madness from down under. In Australia, every worker gets paid 9.5% of their wage paid into superannuation fund for their retirement. They are usually run by big firms and banks etc. But you can opt to set up your fund (usually as a trust) called a self managed super fund. Well according to this fellow, there's about 500,000 self managed super funds with 900,000 beneficiaries. Well this guy reckons (from analyzing government statistics) those funds are 70-81% property. Diversification, what's that?

# ? May 30, 2015 09:08

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Can't have an asset bubble without financing flowing from somewhere. :shrug:

# ? May 30, 2015 09:10

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008; Can't post for 7 hours!

AUS: Race Hate Flyers Distributed In Sydney Spark Rally Outside Chinese Consulate

Sydney, New South Wales
2015-05-30

http://newzcard.com/event/risvk

# ? May 30, 2015 09:18

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hahahahaha

# ? May 30, 2015 13:23

Ccs: Feb 25, 2011

So they 'escorted" the racists but arrested some of the anti-racist counter protestors? Okay then.

Good ol clash of cultures...

# ? May 30, 2015 14:58

Ceciltron: Jan 11, 2007; Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!; Pillbug

The tremendous irony of all this is that even western racists, who are content to stand around waving flags and chanting stupid slogans, are not nearly as insanely racist as the policies and general attitudes of the People's Republic of China's Government (and most of the population, to boot).

# ? May 30, 2015 16:39

Vaginapocalypse: Mar 15, 2013; B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh!

I couldnt give two shits over poor wittul australian white trash being priced out and economically genocided out of existence. Turns out the aboriginals had the last ironic laugh

# ? May 30, 2015 18:03

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Cultural Imperial posted:

Hahahahaha

The whole foreign ownership is also a red herring.

Similar to Canada it's local investor speculation, negative gearing and other factors being the main factor for the housing ubble.

# ? May 30, 2015 18:51

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

etalian posted:

The whole foreign ownership is also a red herring.

Similar to Canada it's local investor speculation, negative gearing and other factors being the main factor for the housing ubble.

I used to think that it was a red herring as well, but in a recent interview Bob Rennie said that in one of his buildings he was marketing in UBC 60% of buyers were offshore investors. With numbers that high I have to assume foreign dollars are having a notable affect on prices region wide.

Toronto is an example of an overheated market, but the fact that Vancouver is at another level is a sign of the effect of additional foreign investment element.

# ? May 30, 2015 23:00

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Femtosecond posted:

I used to think that it was a red herring as well, but in a recent interview Bob Rennie said that in one of his buildings he was marketing in UBC 60% of buyers were offshore investors. With numbers that high I have to assume foreign dollars are having a notable affect on prices region wide.

Did you read the sentence immediately after that statement?

# ? May 30, 2015 23:06

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

computer parts posted:

Did you read the sentence immediately after that statement?

Folks on the west side are selling their properties to investors and moving east with pockets full of cash.

This is plausible anecdotal evidence, and the only thing we have to work with because the government refuses to keep any data on anything.

# ? May 30, 2015 23:08

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

YoY wage growth in BC 1.2%, lowest in Canada.

East Vancouver bungalow goes for $300,000 over asking price

Doesn't add up.

# ? May 31, 2015 00:53

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

I think it's possible that foreign money might be a factor in the strange housing market in Canada, even as other, larger problems exist. It's pretty crazy, I know, but I think there might be something to it.

# ? May 31, 2015 01:13

Ceciltron: Jan 11, 2007; Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!; Pillbug

Acting against the influx of foreign capital can only have a good impact. If there IS no foreign capital problem, then it won't really have an impact at all. If there IS one, it'll relieve some of the pressure on the housing market. It's foolish not to try.

# ? May 31, 2015 01:21

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

How correlated are Vancouver house prices to the exchange rate compared to Toronto/Montreal? That should tell you how much foreign investment there is

# ? May 31, 2015 01:29

Ceciltron: Jan 11, 2007; Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!; Pillbug

Ikantski posted:

How correlated are Vancouver house prices to the exchange rate compared to Toronto/Montreal? That should tell you how much foreign investment there is

I don't think so. The Renminbi is not pegged to the canadian dollar (it's pegged to the USD!).

# ? May 31, 2015 02:01

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/oil-downturn-forcing-alberta-homeowners-into-tough-decisions?__lsa=0414-1255

quote:

Bankruptcy, foreclosure and exodus batter Calgary�s housing market

CALGARY � On Wednesday morning, one of Adam O�Keefe�s moving crews is scheduled to pull up to a six-bedroom home in Springbank, a well-to-do neighbourhood just west of Calgary, clear the contents out of the house and send it directly to a consignment gallery.

O�Keefe doesn�t know the specifics of the homeowner�s situation, but as the oilpatch reels from a prolonged downturn in prices, the president of locally based Alberta Pro Movers has seen an unfortunate increase in court-ordered repossessions.

�We�ve received a lot of calls saying �I need to be out of here right now; a lawyer will be present or a police [officer] will be present,�� he said in an interview Tuesday.

In a report Tuesday, CIBC said the number of Canadians being forced into insolvency is on the rise for the first time since the recession. The bank says the cumulative number of insolvencies rose by 1.2 per cent in the six-month period ended in February.

The overall increase came as personal bankruptcies across Canada fell by 4.7 per cent. However the number of proposals, in which consumers renegotiate with their financial institution to repay only a portion of their debt, jumped nine per cent, with Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba leading the way.

�The damage from lower oil prices is starting to show,� said CIBC economist Benjamin Tal.

Cumulative insolvencies in Manitoba and Saskatchewan rose by almost 11 per cent in the six-month period, while Alberta saw an 6.5 per cent increase, the province�s �worst showing since the recession,� CIBC said.

The report notes �there are reasons to believe that the coming quarters will see continued deterioration� in the number of bankruptcies in Canada�s largest oil-and-gas producing province.

For example, the number of bankruptcy proposals in Alberta is up 24 per cent in the six months ending in February. The province is also home to the highest share of bankruptcy proposals in Canada.

The most recent data from the Canadian Bankers Association show the percentage of its lenders� mortgages at least three months in arrears in Alberta held steady at 0.27 per cent between October and February.

# ? May 31, 2015 05:55

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

Alberta being hosed probably also means that the Okanagan in BC is hosed. Did recreational properties there ever even really recover from the 2008 recession?

# ? May 31, 2015 06:29

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Femtosecond posted:

Alberta being hosed probably also means that the Okanagan in BC is hosed. Did recreational properties there ever even really recover from the 2008 recession?

Yeah I'd love to know this too.

# ? May 31, 2015 06:44

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

So I chose a random part of the Okanagan (north!) and looked it up.

In March 2009 the median price for a house was $477k, a 20% drop from 2008.

In March 2015 the median price was $549k.

So basically they're back to 2008 numbers.

Also I'm not sure if it's a lack of data or what, but the value of duplexes and property listed as "recreational" in northern Okanagan has essentially doubled in the last year :psyduck:

edit: in southern Okanagan things aren't as rosy. Prices have gone back up, but not as much, and also they're dropping again for houses.

# ? May 31, 2015 07:23

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Fort McKay: the Canadian town that sold itself to tar sands

http://gu.com/p/4936n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Add

Great article about Alberta being a loving poo poo hole.

# ? May 31, 2015 16:02

Yeast Confection: Oct 7, 2005

Cultural Imperial posted:

Fort McKay: the Canadian town that sold itself to tar sands

http://gu.com/p/4936n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Add

Great article about Alberta being a loving poo poo hole.

Man that made me feel pretty :smith:

# ? May 31, 2015 16:22

ephori: Sep 1, 2006; Dinosaur Gum

Cultural Imperial posted:

Fort McKay: the Canadian town that sold itself to tar sands

http://gu.com/p/4936n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Add

Great article about Alberta being a loving poo poo hole.

Holy poo poo this was depressing to read.

# ? May 31, 2015 17:34

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

ephori posted:

Holy poo poo this was depressing to read.

It's a great article to save whenever a smug Albertan brags how the energy industry is providing so much jobs and benefits for Canada.

The benefits come at a great cost especially for poor first nation communities who now have mordor in their backyard.

# ? May 31, 2015 17:49

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

The Guardian is written by a bunch of hippie fuckers, though, so I take what they have to say with a grain of salt.

Alternate source?

# ? May 31, 2015 17:54

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

PT6A posted:

The Guardian is written by a bunch of hippie fuckers, though, so I take what they have to say with a grain of salt.

Alternate source?

lol

best solution would be forcing Suncor employees and their families to live right next to the tar sands.

Well you told everyone it's perfectly safe and responsible for the enviroment.

# ? May 31, 2015 17:55

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

etalian posted:

lol

best solution would be forcing Suncor employees and their families to live right next to the tar sands.

I'm okay with this. I also didn't say the Guardian was necessarily wrong, just that they are a bunch of loonies who end up in a frothing rage even time they think about Jeremy Clarkson daring to drive a car with more than 6 horsepower, so forgive me for my time-saving method of never reading their inane drivel. Whether or not it's correct, if it's important, I'm sure there will be a better source that isn't written by jerk-offs.

# ? May 31, 2015 17:59

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

PT6A posted:

I'm okay with this. I also didn't say the Guardian was necessarily wrong, just that they are a bunch of loonies who end up in a frothing rage even time they think about Jeremy Clarkson daring to drive a car with more than 6 horsepower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui5eUpF3iQQ

# ? May 31, 2015 18:03

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

ephori posted:

Holy poo poo this was depressing to read.

God drat it this is like a day ruining article.

# ? May 31, 2015 18:26

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Improve your daily life by never reading the Guardian (it's poo poo).

# ? May 31, 2015 18:28

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Ya maybe I should only read things on the Fraser Institute Approved Reading List.

# ? May 31, 2015 18:34

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

EvilJoven posted:

Ya maybe I should only read things on the Fraser Institute Approved Reading List.

The solution for the proud Albertan is to never read investigative reporting on the local energy industry, especially if it from hippy wimp newspapers like the Guardian.

# ? May 31, 2015 18:40

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

etalian posted:

The solution for the proud Albertan is to never read

# ? May 31, 2015 18:43

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# ? May 10, 2024 09:56

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

I'm Manitoban, Alberta can go DIAF. :colbert:

# ? May 31, 2015 18:46

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