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So what kind of answer are they expecting to the question "where do you see yourself in five years?" My thought is always to say something dumb like "hopefully here" and then ramble for a minute or so. And is "why do you want to work here?" where they want to know what you like about the company or what you like about the job specifically?
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myron cope posted:So what kind of answer are they expecting to the question "where do you see yourself in five years?" I know these seem like gotchas, but you can kind of just talk generally about where you hope your career goes.  Where do you see yourself in five years? Well, I've always enjoyed doing (something that's currently a small part of your job but could be more specialized, like virtualization or project management), so I hope to be in a role where I can use those skills more.Seriously, what do you hope you're doing? Systems architect? Devops lead? DBA? Tell them. They want to know that you might actually kind of have an idea of what you wanna do with your career. As for "why do you want to work here", you've hopefully at least looked at their webpage and you can bullshit that one. Interest in learning the challenges of whatever industry they work in, chance for career growth and taking on more responsibility or touching some tech you haven't seen before, etc.
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evol262 posted:As for "why do you want to work here", you've hopefully at least looked at their webpage and you can bullshit that one. Interest in learning the challenges of whatever industry they work in, chance for career growth and taking on more responsibility or touching some tech you haven't seen before, etc. This is something a surprising number of applicants don't bother to do. Research the company you are applying to. It's super easy and shows you have an interest in where you want to work. It can be a red flag when a candidate is asked "what do you know about our company?" and they reply "not a whole lot". I mean, yes, I get it. You want to work so you can make money and not live on the street. But WHY did you apply to this particular company?
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Just regurgitate the first bullshit sentence of their ad posting. "I want to work with the industry leader in widgets so they can make more/better widgets".
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incoherent posted:Just regurgitate the first bullshit sentence of their ad posting. "I want to work with the industry leader in widgets so they can make more/better widgets". If it's a public company, check out the investor relations page. They'll have their latest public filings at last, and usually some promotional material as well, that covers their latest initiatives and such - that can provide some good answers.
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evol262 posted:I know these seem like gotchas, but you can kind of just talk generally about where you hope your career goes. quote:As for "why do you want to work here", you've hopefully at least looked at their webpage and you can bullshit that one. Interest in learning the challenges of whatever industry they work in, chance for career growth and taking on more responsibility or touching some tech you haven't seen before, etc. Che Delilas told me basically the same thing (in this thread? another thread? who can remember anymore), that pretty much every interview asks something about the company and it's definitely in your interest to research them. I am having a little trouble since they're a relatively new company (in one sense; they've been around forever but only spun off on their own (again) a couple of years ago) and they're not public. And actually I didn't apply for the job, my friend just sent my resume to his boss. But their website mentions some stuff about community and they've won some business ethics awards and also since they're a utility...they help people? I don't know. I'll definitely look more since I clearly don't know a ton. I more didn't know if the question was about the company or the position itself. I guess that depends on how they phrase it.
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By the time you're mid-career you should be picking jobs based on more than "will they hire me" and "will they pay me more than I could make busking." So you should have honest answers to both "why do you want to work here" and "where do you want to be in five years" that don't require you to make up a bunch of bullshit. Those are things you should have already thought about before you even apply for the job. If you feel like you need to make up an answer to those questions then maybe the job isn't a good fit for you and you shouldn't apply for it. Early career though, when you're just trying to get a little experience, just stick with the usual platitudes.
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NippleFloss posted:By the time you're mid-career you should be picking jobs based on more than "will they hire me" and "will they pay me more than I could make busking." So you should have honest answers to both "why do you want to work here" and "where do you want to be in five years" that don't require you to make up a bunch of bullshit. Those are things you should have already thought about before you even apply for the job. Early/mid you might also talk about the vertical they're in if you're less familiar with the specific business. Something like wanting to work with medical so you can feel like your work is really helping people (it won't).
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myron cope posted:I more didn't know if the question was about the company or the position itself. I guess that depends on how they phrase it. There's something interesting about almost every job. Personally, I'd find the idea of working at a business that relies on facilities operating at 4 or 5 nines fascinating. Without knowing what the job is, it's hard to say, but since it's in IT, something about the challenge of keeping systems for a necessary service running without interruption in the face of inevitable failures (which is a common thing in this industry, but not at utility/telco scale) is a great reason to want to work there. Nothing gets you better at interviewing than interviewing. It's a skill you need to learn, like anything else.
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NippleFloss posted:By the time you're mid-career you should be picking jobs based on more than "will they hire me" and "will they pay me more than I could make busking." So you should have honest answers to both "why do you want to work here" and "where do you want to be in five years" that don't require you to make up a bunch of bullshit. Those are things you should have already thought about before you even apply for the job. e: I think fundamentally this is something that hurts my career, if I'm honest. I am completely dispassionate with regard to just about every aspect of my job. I love IT and I love learning, but my job itself is just the thing that allows me to do IT work, if that makes any sense. My career is IT and I take it very seriously, but my job is just the thing I have until I have the next job. e2: That said, if I was to fall over backwards into a role which was like, senior/lead architect, building out datacenters, managing a team but still doing a little bit of everything from Powershell to Exchange to SQL to vSphere, for a company who does something I believe in, I would adore both my career AND my job. But right now, it's like "I work for a college. now I work for a city. now I work for a big corporation. whatever, pay me." MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 30, 2015 |
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Eh, I mean, I feel ya, but I'm senior level and my only concerns are will I enjoy this job, will I work with cutting edge technology, and will you pay me more than I deserve. As long as the company isn't morally reprehensible I really don't give too much of a poo poo what else they do. I have to make up answers to these questions because my honest answers would have me escorted off the premises. Why do I want to work here? Because I think your IT budget is going to be my personal expense account. Where do I want to be in five years? Somewhere else. You don't have to care about what the company does to be able to explain why you want to work there. "I want an opportunity to work with technologies x, y, and z" is a perfectly legitimate answer that has nothing to do with what that company does. Likewise, "in five years I would like to be a team lead, or a virtualization SME, or an automation engineer" are answers that don't require you to commit your everlasting devotion to said company. In general the people interviewing you, especially for senior work, aren't dumb. They also like to get paid a lot and they also have had a few jobs and they probably won't be there forever either. They just want to gauge how interested and engaged you will be because that is what determines whether you will be good at the job.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Eh, I mean, I feel ya, but I'm senior level and my only concerns are will I enjoy this job, will I work with cutting edge technology, and will you pay me more than I deserve. As long as the company isn't morally reprehensible I really don't give too much of a poo poo what else they do. I have to make up answers to these questions because my honest answers would have me escorted off the premises. Why do I want to work here? Because I think your IT budget is going to be my personal expense account. Where do I want to be in five years? Somewhere else. Well, I should say that this is the longest I've been at any company other than my first job (and there only because I went from ops -> ops lead -> sysadmin). I don't really care about what the company does, and it doesn't bear into what jobs I apply for or the interview process. I like the ethics and culture at Red Hat, but I'm basically here because I get to do bleeding edge stuff all the time, work remote full-time, and get paid Boston wages in Phoenix. I never really gave two shits about the stuff I was working with in finance, or usenet, or whatever, and I avoided being on the on-call rotation by completely focusing on Linux and making sure the enterprise VMware team didn't take over our VMware environment, meaning that I only had to touch our terrible in-house stuff when it broke because they tried to install binaries linked against RHEL5 libraries on RHEL6 or whatever. Unless I'm building something, I don't really have a vested interest in it. I always kind of feel like I should move to Austin or SF and be employee #2 at a startup somewhere, since that matches my skillset really well (jack of all trades, master of some), but other than that, it's hard to find a job that really interests me. Doesn't mean you can't still find interesting and unique challenges (or bullshit them for the interview process) at colleges or cities or F500s or utility companies or software vendors or whatever.
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I used to work on the broadcast / entertainment side of my company. I mentioned to someone on the west coast that I was surprised when a colleague left she told me that a lot of people start here as *whatever* but they come in wanting to be a writer, director or talent. When they realize that being an admin assistant or IT guy doesn't get them there after a while they bail out. Must be a LA thing, it never occurred to me.
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myron cope posted:Honestly I haven't been exposed to enough things yet to know for sure. I like the administration side, I guess. That's part of the problem I have with that question. This was the position I was in for my interview for my first IT related job, and I honestly told them that: I didn't have a specific idea as to where I'd probably be at in five years, but that I hope to take my experience learning and working with this company to find the areas I enjoy working in related to computers and develop my skillset along those lines; security and databases both had me a little interested so I told him as much, and being as he was in HR that was plenty enough. You don't have to relate it to the business though if they're a big company with a lot of room for growth you could pick out a department that you might be curious about. The one I applied to had two IT positions including mine, so room for position movement internally basically doesn't exist, but room for practical and knowledge growth in the IT field was a big deal to me, and I've gained a lot out of it already. Along those lines I've found the aspect I enjoy most is coding stuff, so I'm likely going to tailor my learning focus towards that and away from IT activities (though Powershell is giving me a nice use of both).
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PTO chat: I have unlimited vacation, sick leave and PTO/WFH as long as my boss approves. Haven't been denied so far but I've only been here for 3 months, been out for a week (more like got told to take a week off to destress) and sick for one. Acquired startups are weird
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Eh, I mean, I feel ya, but I'm senior level and my only concerns are will I enjoy this job, will I work with cutting edge technology, and will you pay me more than I deserve. As long as the company isn't morally reprehensible I really don't give too much of a poo poo what else they do. I have to make up answers to these questions because my honest answers would have me escorted off the premises. Why do I want to work here? Because I think your IT budget is going to be my personal expense account. Where do I want to be in five years? Somewhere else.
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I might be  soon, so there's a couple questions I'd like to add to this interview chat:Is there actually an honest answer to the "What makes you a better fit than the other candidates?" types of questions? I usually try to side step it by saying what I think makes me a good candidate for the position, without mentioning the other candidates. Interviewers sometimes fire back with something such as "That's great, but you didn't really answer my question...", and I'm back to not having an answer. Stating that I don't feel that I can honestly answer the question without knowing the other candidates doesn't seem to fly either. What's your opinions on not mentioning having a neurological disorder to a potential employer, even if it doesn't really affect your job performance? I'd like to be honest about this, but in the interviews where I brought it up the energy in the room went from positive or neutral to "How quickly can we get this guy out of here?" None of the interviews where I've mentioned it have resulted in me getting a job, and none of the interviewers contacted me again despite saying that they would even if I didn't get the job. Although that last bit seems to happen more often than not in all interviews. I have Dyspraxia, and while I have a good handle on it misunderstandings still happen eventually. Small things like people thinking I dislike them or am angry because my face isn't very animated, which is hard for me to hide since forcing bolder expressions always looks unnatural. I regret not bringing it up at my current job because after getting to know them it seems they would have been totally cool with it, and I feel my not disclosing it has ultimately put a wedge between me and my coworkers. Am I just overreacting to some bad interviews? I'd really like that to be the case; keeping something like this secret really sucks.
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I've worked for both companies where I thought their product/service was awesome and legitimately helping people, and companies where I gave zero fucks about their worthless poo poo but it paid the bills. To me personally, it makes a difference. It's certainly not the most important thing. But it's part of your overall work life and worth taking into account when you're looking at jobs. It's also worth noting that, in some ways, it's impossible to do your best IT work if you don't know or care about the business you work for. At least once you're senior or management level. That's basically the entire subject of The Phoenix Project. Edit: Also, thanks for your post above mine, VC. You just gave me a ton to think on. As you usually do. 
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Holy poo poo listening to my wife try to explain to her grandma what I do for a living makes me want to go insane. I have to leave the room.
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Docjowles posted:I've worked for both companies where I thought their product/service was awesome and legitimately helping people, and companies where I gave zero fucks about their worthless poo poo but it paid the bills. To me personally, it makes a difference. It's certainly not the most important thing. But it's part of your overall work life and worth taking into account when you're looking at jobs. I agree. My current job is in public education, which I think is a great cause and I want to do what I can to help out. I'm certainly more motivated here than at my last job where the people were mostly great, but the knowledge of the environmental damage they ultimately cause was always eating away at the back of my mind. The difference isn't night and day, but it's certainly there. The only reason I'm considering leaving the current job is the lovely internal politics. Squatch Ambassador fucked around with this message at 03:14 on May 31, 2015 |
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May 31, 2015 03:12
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Holy poo poo listening to my wife try to explain to her grandma what I do for a living makes me want to go insane. I have to leave the room. I am really horrible at this. Not to other tech people; that's fine. But to random folks? Especially my circle of friends who are mostly ecologists/farmers? "uh i make sure the website works most of the time. uh huh huh huh... uh huh huh huh... :beavis:" Gotta work on dat Elevator Pitch. BRB trademarking "Elevator Pitch Perfect" and starting an insufferable Silicon Valley reality show. Docjowles fucked around with this message at 03:17 on May 31, 2015 |
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Man, the hits just keep on coming. Yesterday was our unit detachment decommissioning ceremony and change of command ceremony, and during the commander's call afterwards everyone was told that there had been no bids received for the new contract (or the bids that came in were so incredibly high that they weren't affordable), and as such we were looking at another contract extension for at least one more year, and possibly as long as two years. Our commander then admitted that he'd been sitting on this news for a few weeks now, which made leadership absolutely furious - we'd lost several personnel in the last two weeks who jumped ship to other contracts, and as such the 2nd shift, 3rd shift, and weekend shift are all seriously under-staffed, and more people have submitted their notice. We're still awaiting an email from leadership confirming this, but it will have to wait until next week because all of them left just as soon as our commander took off, and they were really pissed when they walked out the door. We're pretty sure they all went to the nearest bar and got drunk.
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Hungry Computer posted:I might be Hungry Computer posted:What's your opinions on not mentioning having a neurological disorder to a potential employer, even if it doesn't really affect your job performance? I'd like to be honest about this, but in the interviews where I brought it up the energy in the room went from positive or neutral to "How quickly can we get this guy out of here?" None of the interviews where I've mentioned it have resulted in me getting a job, and none of the interviewers contacted me again despite saying that they would even if I didn't get the job. Although that last bit seems to happen more often than not in all interviews. If it does come up, don't call it a "neurological disorder," don't use the word "developmental," etc. because these words set people's imaginations at work. You have a condition that causes you to have an unusually neutral facial expression most of the time. Most people try to keep a poker face during the interview anyway. Hungry Computer posted:I have Dyspraxia, and while I have a good handle on it misunderstandings still happen eventually. Small things like people thinking I dislike them or am angry because my face isn't very animated, which is hard for me to hide since forcing bolder expressions always looks unnatural. I regret not bringing it up at my current job because after getting to know them it seems they would have been totally cool with it, and I feel my not disclosing it has ultimately put a wedge between me and my coworkers. Am I just overreacting to some bad interviews? I'd really like that to be the case; keeping something like this secret really sucks. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 03:32 on May 31, 2015 |
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Docjowles posted:BRB trademarking "Elevator Pitch Perfect" and starting an insufferable Silicon Valley reality show.
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Vulture Culture posted:That's a really weird line of questioning. I've only gotten it once before, and my response was that I have more humility than all their other candidates put together. I don't remember whether I got that offer or not. I wouldn't worry about it, because someone who is obsessed with how you compare yourselves to your peers is probably not someone you want to ever work for. Yeah, that is a strange question. The one I've always heard (or given in an interview) is "what about yourself do you think makes you stand out as a candidate?" But that's a different question entirely than "why are you a better fit than other candidates?" I know it's a variation on the "what's your greatest strength", but I think it's a valuable question in that it shows who exhibits some introspection vs. "lol, I work long days without complaint."
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Holy poo poo listening to my wife try to explain to her grandma what I do for a living makes me want to go insane. I have to leave the room. We stopped trying to explain what I do to people a long time ago. My wife tells people I'm an "IT Guy", and I tell people I do "computer stuff" for large companies. People usually leave it alone after that. The large companies part is my way out of helping them with PC/Printer/other help requests.
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skipdogg posted:My wife tells people I'm an "IT Guy" They all think you fix printers and the wifis.
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"Why makes you think you're better than other interviewees..." Is a awfully common interview question despite myself not enjoying it either, if you haven't seen it in person it's in all the interview books at your local bookstore.
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flosofl posted:Yeah, that is a strange question. The one I've always heard (or given in an interview) is "what about yourself do you think makes you stand out as a candidate?" But that's a different question entirely than "why are you a better fit than other candidates?" I suppose I've hard it less when interviewing for IT positions than previous service industry jobs, but it still seemed to crop up a lot for help desk positions. Luckily I'm not looking to get into help desk anymore. Although GoG does have an open help desk position that includes a relocation package and doesn't require you to know Polish... Edit: on the other hand working at a help desk that primarily serves gamers sounds like it would be an unending nightmare Squatch Ambassador fucked around with this message at 04:16 on May 31, 2015 |
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skipdogg posted:We stopped trying to explain what I do to people a long time ago. My wife tells people I'm an "IT Guy", and I tell people I do "computer stuff" for large companies. People usually leave it alone after that. She told her grandma that I'm working in "the cloud" and tried explaining it, and her grandma literally thinks I work on satellites. edit Docjowles posted:I am really horrible at this. Not to other tech people; that's fine. But to random folks? Especially my circle of friends who are mostly ecologists/farmers? "uh i make sure the website works most of the time. uh huh huh huh... uh huh huh huh... :beavis:" I live in TN. Several acquaintances of ours work in landscaping or steelmills. I know your pain. Fiendish Dr. Wu fucked around with this message at 04:49 on May 31, 2015 |
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This is going to sound like a joke, but I promise you it's not. I once thought that the best way to describe what I do was by saying that "I make sure computers can talk to each other", and I swear to god the person thought I dealt with talking computers. I've settled on "IT Guy" as skipdogg has - it works as false humility, because they can think I unjam printers and I can know I don't. I have much to reply about because Nipplefloss and evol262 and Misogynist all make substantive replies to my earlier comment, but it's a Saturday night and the new Prurient LP is killin it, so it's just gonna have to wait.
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Your Mom’s 6 Best Attempts At Describing What You Do For A Living
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Hungry Computer posted:Small things like people thinking I dislike them or am angry because my face isn't very animated, which is hard for me to hide since forcing bolder expressions always looks unnatural. "Hey, FYI, when I'm focusing hard my facial expressions can be a bit muted, like a natural poker face, I just wanted to let you know so that you don't think I'm bored or upset. It's actually the opposite!"
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e: Post disclaimer, I realize I am responding to a post which is talking about an actual disorder, and using it as a way to complain about people using too many exclamation points. It's not a great comparison. Person-to-person I have no problems, but I can feel a bit self conscious in emails. Everyone else has so diluted the meaning of the exclamation mark that I always feel like I'm coming off as dismissive. "Stripe, we'd like to set up a conference call with the vendor, are you available from 1pm to 4pm today?" "Sounds good!" Love that guy, always a team player! "Stripe, we'd like to set up a conference call with the vendor, are you available from 1pm to 4pm today?" "Yeah that'll work." Whoa, what's eating Stripe? So I find myself just dropping exclamation points at random points in the email to convey my good mood. (e: As an example, even this last sentence. I drat near want to drop an lol and a smiley at the end of it to convey the light hearted nature of the comment. Read on its own, it looks like I'm just droning or being sarcastic. It is funny to me though, my coworkers were like oh man Stripe's so good at sarcasm, and I'm like, I'm almost never sarcastic, which of course sounds even MORE sarcastic... But trust me, if I say "That sounds like a lot of fun.", I actually mean it, I can't really help that other people say "That sounds like a lot of fun!!") MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 05:13 on May 31, 2015 |
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:So I find myself just dropping exclamation points at random points in the email to convey my good mood. I also do this. I believe that extraneous exclamation points are now as fundamental a part of the human condition as awareness of our own mortality. !
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I feel like I should contribute more than Onion articles but they're so drat relevant: Stone-Hearted Ice Witch Forgoes Exclamation Point 
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What a bitch lol jk For me, I guess it's this. I spend 99% of my day in a great mood. I live where I want to live (within reason), doing what I want to do and on the way to better things, make good money, am married to an amazing woman, and work for a company which allows me to do whatever I want to do. I'm living a charmed life. So nearly everything I write is written by a guy who's having at least as good a day as you are, maybe even better. But if I was to communicate the light hearted tone in every single thing I post or email, the message would be unparsable through all of the smileys and hahas. So just, Stripe's in a good mood, know that, and stuff your exclamation points (teehee) MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 31, 2015 |
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