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I'm probably in the minority here but I hate modern interiors. Luxury German cars are especially heinous and derivative in design. They all have the same Rubbermaid-like textured rubber for siding and the dash, the leather is too thick and has no give to it, and they all have the same wood panel running across the middle of the dash.
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A question to all the people who have had issues with their VAG products. Did you buy the vehicle new or used? I have owned 3 watercooled VWs over the past 18 years, and the only 1 that was a solid piece of poo poo was the 95 Jetta stripper model that came from Mexico. My dad's 98 Passat (German made) had no issues either. VW's actually need to be maintained, my guess is you're all just buying cars with lovely previous owners.
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May 29, 2015 21:56
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veedubfreak posted:A question to all the people who have had issues with their VAG products. Did you buy the vehicle new or used? I have owned 3 watercooled VWs over the past 18 years, and the only 1 that was a solid piece of poo poo was the 95 Jetta stripper model that came from Mexico. My dad's 98 Passat (German made) had no issues either. VW's actually need to be maintained, my guess is you're all just buying cars with lovely previous owners. We've had a MK 4 Golf from new, which is now 14 years old. It's done 70 or 80 thousand miles, mostly around London and the so far the most it's needed is a steering rack (Very recent.) I have a 2004 MK 4 TDI wagon, bought used, all its needed has been a door lock and a set of injector seals, but i've done a lot of stuff to it trying to make it perfect and just how i want, so there's a long list of stuff done and parts replaced. I also have a 2007 VW Crafter van, which has never let me down but as a work vehicle with 170k has needed a few things. It snapped a spring, killed a flywheel, clutch pedal return spring guide snapped, burns oil. Still keeps going, but it does fine for a 3.5t van that gets run loaded quite heavy almost every day, and have gone all over Europe too, and frequently been run for like 16h/day. My previous car was a MK4 Golf 1.6, which i was given with a broken gearbox (common issue with the diff shearing rivets and smashing the casing) but still drove 2 weeks with a broken gearbox with no oil in it, and didn't give me any grief. In the year or so i had it all it needed was a fuel pump relay (occasional non-start when cold) but i also did loads of other stuff to it. (TT suspension, Polo Sport cams, etc.) Mooseykins fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 22:03
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I bought my 07 GTI new and it was mostly problem free until about a year ago when it started getting random electrical bugs. But I didn't have part of my intake and most of my A/C system replaced under warranty. And there's been a check engine on light on for a fee months now that I should bring to the mechanic as I've run out of things to try and fix it.
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May 29, 2015 22:12
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1500quidporsche posted:All interiors are cheap garbage now anyways. Mooseykins posted:VAG are the best cars and that's the end of it. MY2012 was that strange period between their old look and their new look, the interiors were still pretty lackluster. They did a face lift on the exterior but didn't really touch the interiors much I think it was MY2014 where they re-did the whole interior and exterior, which is what you see now with the LED headlamps and side markers. It seems they've taken styling from the S class and spread it across the board. Even the C class interior looks and feels way nicer than it's price point would allow.
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May 29, 2015 23:11
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veedubfreak posted:A question to all the people who have had issues with their VAG products. Did you buy the vehicle new or used? I have owned 3 watercooled VWs over the past 18 years, and the only 1 that was a solid piece of poo poo was the 95 Jetta stripper model that came from Mexico. My dad's 98 Passat (German made) had no issues either. VW's actually need to be maintained, my guess is you're all just buying cars with lovely previous owners. 97 Jetta, coilpacks dying every 20k, vacuum actuated locks freezing in the winter, trunk pop stopped working, went through three stereo head units. Trim falling off the doors. 2001 Jetta 1.8t, window regulators failing, coolant leaks, electric driver's seat stopped working 2000 passat, nothing but coolant leaks and electrical gremlins much the same as above. Oh and the 5 speed shat itself I believe (this was an ex's car) In my experience it was mainly the electrics being utter horseshit and the typical german needlessly complicated solutions to simple problems. It sucks because they are really fun to drive. Totally scared me away from ever owning an audi, too, which also sucks because those are even more fun to drive!
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May 30, 2015 02:20
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I loved my Scirocco 16v, but it was a nightmare of weird shorts until I went through and rewired the entire loving car.
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May 30, 2015 02:58
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I loved my Scirocco 16v, but it was a nightmare of weird shorts until I went through and rewired the entire loving car. Sup Scirocco 16v bud. Never had a problem with the 16v engine once I swapped it in, mine was originally an 8v. Thing runs like clockwork despite me thrashing on it. Definitely my favorite engine. 
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May 30, 2015 03:04
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Haha, that's awesome.
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May 30, 2015 03:16
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Mooseykins posted:We've had a MK 4 Golf from new, which is now 14 years old. It's done 70 or 80 thousand miles, mostly around London and the so far the most it's needed is a steering rack (Very recent.) I have a beaten up jap import toyota tercel that is now 18 years old and has 200,000km's. All it's needed is a timing belt and a CV boot. A new steering rack at 80 thousand miles is not normal or acceptable somehow. Just saying.
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May 30, 2015 04:21
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1500quidporsche posted:Sup Scirocco 16v bud. The engine was the bomb. The lights and every electric accessory freaking out on a regular basis not so much.
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May 30, 2015 04:56
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Mooseykins posted:Odd, i went in a ~2010 E-Class in Amsterdam last year and it was sooooo nice inside i instantly knew i had to have one. Hoping in a couple years i can afford an E350 CDI, so i cruise Europe in utter comfort with 300hp of diesel V6 on tap. You actually like the W212 interior? To me it looks like someone vomited some extra buttons into an Accord, replaced all the plastics with stuff with gross textures and added a comedy oversized steering wheel 
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May 30, 2015 06:20
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Mooseykins you say you've worked on Multiplas before? 
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May 30, 2015 09:04
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veedubfreak posted:A question to all the people who have had issues with their VAG products. Did you buy the vehicle new or used? I have owned 3 watercooled VWs over the past 18 years, and the only 1 that was a solid piece of poo poo was the 95 Jetta stripper model that came from Mexico. My dad's 98 Passat (German made) had no issues either. VW's actually need to be maintained, my guess is you're all just buying cars with lovely previous owners. My parents bought a 1993 Cabriolet (Rabbit convertible, red with white top, white leatherette interior) in 1995. I think that car was either the last year they built them in Germany, or the first year they were built in Mexico. Anyway, the passenger side door card fell off, the top interior tore, the head was improperly torqued from the factory so it was weeping coolant down the front of the block, and then at about 20,000 miles, the oil pump failed. How the hell? I think a lot of the issues came from that car sitting on the lot for two years before being sold, honestly. It was a really fun car and looked great, it just had a lot of issues. It replaced a 1991 Ford escort that only needed its throttle cable lubricated because it was sticking.
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May 30, 2015 12:35
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Mooseykins posted:Italian cars are like French cars to work on, up to a point, then they do something stupid like have a single 3" long stud for the bellhousing, where the other 7 or so threaded connections are bolts. Oh, and you need to rotate the gearbox to remove it, but before you get to that point the tailcase has hit the chassis rail and you've still got half an inch of stud stuck in the bellhousing bolt hole. I usually remove that stud before dropping the gearbox because I'm not a moron
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May 30, 2015 16:37
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Sappo569 posted:MY2012 was that strange period between their old look and their new look, the interiors were still pretty lackluster. They did a face lift on the exterior but didn't really touch the interiors much The new C-class (w205) has a nicer looking interior, granted, but everything inside feels cheaper and less solid.
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May 30, 2015 17:59
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Slavvy posted:I have a beaten up jap import toyota tercel that is now 18 years old and has 200,000km's. All it's needed is a timing belt and a CV boot. A new steering rack at 80 thousand miles is not normal or acceptable somehow. Just saying. 14 years and 80k mostly around London with poo poo roads, i think it's done ok. Also, my dad has probably run it through every pot hole possible and nailed the kerb more than one, so it's taken some abuse. My Golf with the same type rack just rolled over 120k last week and the steering is tight with zero play, i know a number of MK 4s that've passed 200k miles without major work, and a TDI with 450+k miles the same. dissss posted:You actually like the W212 interior? To me it looks like someone vomited some extra buttons into an Accord, replaced all the plastics with stuff with gross textures and added a comedy oversized steering wheel Yep, i like it a lot. Especially with that wheel and not the naff 3-spoke one that looks like it was styled on a thong. Not sure if i want a saloon or wagon though, as if i get one it'll see some mileage around Europe roadtripping. Cakefool posted:Mooseykins you say you've worked on Multiplas before? The last one i worked on made me so angry i puched the wing hard enough to buckle it in. But yes, more than once, they're hateful cars. corn in the fridge posted:I usually remove that stud before dropping the gearbox. I would too, if the fuckers had come out. From memory there was no hex/etc on the end, and not enough exposed thread to do the double-nut jam to remove it, so it had to stay in. If i could've had it off, i would've done. I can't remember exactly what the Doblo's issue was, difficult starter bolt acces and a stud that couldn't be removed or something. corn in the fridge posted:I'm not a moron. Umm.. congrats?
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May 30, 2015 20:58
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Who is this horrible poster not posting content?
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May 30, 2015 21:14
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Preoptopus posted:Who is this horrible poster not posting content? You! Here, have a failed concentric hydraulic slave.  FWD van, big gearbox, bailing out a friend. Changed it on a gravel driveway, in the rain. Took 10 hours, got absolutely soaked.   My life is pain.
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May 30, 2015 21:36
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gently caress concentric clutch slaves. gently caress 'em, gently caress 'em, gently caress 'em. There may be a few ways that a regular slave or cable setup can fail that mean you're going to have to go into the bellhousing (and I've experienced it firsthand), but at least they tend to be unusual events rather than something that makes you go "well, I guess it was only a matter of time".
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May 30, 2015 22:03
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InitialDave posted:gently caress concentric clutch slaves. gently caress 'em, gently caress 'em, gently caress 'em. There may be a few ways that a regular slave or cable setup can fail that mean you're going to have to go into the bellhousing (and I've experienced it firsthand), but at least they tend to be unusual events rather than something that makes you go "well, I guess it was only a matter of time". When i first drove my van, long before i bought it, the clutch bit right at the top of pedal travel and it was like an on/off switch. It would either bog down or you'd launch off the lights like a tyipcal van driver. It got a new master, slave, flywheel and (self-adjusting) clutch. I was fine for 2 days then back to its old tricks. Some time later the clutch pedal broke, it turned out that the over-centre spring guide (To compress it straight and not let it bend.) had broken and somehow the pedal was allowed to depress more than it should've been. Too much pedal travel, too much slave travel, too much clutch opening, self-adjusting mech would open all the way like it would for a worn clutch. Pedal got replaced, gearbox out, clutch adjustment reset. Was fine for bite point, but wouldn't engage gears nicely like the clutch wasn't disengaging properly.. Out comes the box..  Protective boot removed, found the culprit:  New master, slave, clutch, flywheel, bolts. Cost £635 @ trade price, all LUK parts with an FTE master. 
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May 30, 2015 22:10
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Mooseykins posted:You! Was skimming on my lunch break. Heres something that probably made a cool sound.  Its a figure skater! 
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May 30, 2015 23:04
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Good idea using one of the off wheels to anchor that tarp.
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May 31, 2015 06:37
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Slavvy posted:Late model mercs are great in mechanical and interior terms, yeah. They're like the only german brand who have gone forward in logical design and quality. Easy to work on, logical layouts for everything, great interiors, nice to drive, friendly diagnostic architecture. They also design their suspension with comfort instead of ~~nurburgring laptimes~~ in mind so they actually feel like a luxury car to roll around in instead of a really expensive kart-with-a-beer-crate like BMW's do. Umm what model years are you talking about. Lately at work ive been working on a lot of the 2010-2015 bensuvs like the 500 and 350 and those things are utter SHITT. I would rather work on a pt cruiser then touch those things. AND I loving HATE PT CRUISERS. But all the bmws I have ever worked on were decent cars with there own quirks. But truthfully if the cars didn't have quirks I would be out of work.
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May 31, 2015 15:13
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SouthsideSaint posted:I would rather work on a pt cruiser then touch those things.  I hate PT Losers so much. Cam belts and heads gaskets on them made me want to either kill people or cry. Sometimes both. Engine mount with built-in serpentine belt tensioner? Great idea!
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May 31, 2015 15:19
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I was in a brand new C class recently, and I really don't see what people are excited about. The interior materials are barely, just BARELY better than a new Chevrolet or Honda. In some ways, the design is actually worse. Mercedes' stop/start tech is pretty clunky, as well.
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May 31, 2015 15:22
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Mooseykins posted:
As do I. Ever replace the heater core. And BEG BEG BEG the customer to do something about the chryco OEM radiator with 160k on it. Then have them come back two weeks later cause the radiator leaks. Same guy also accused us of breaking the top dash part. Even though it was sun faded and cracked when it came in. My boss still ordered the part and ate the cost. Even after I told the guy to stick his dick in a wet outlet. edit: and in response to horrible Mercedes failures. Why does the multispeed auto transmission shift like a drunken baby?
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May 31, 2015 15:25
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C class is the poor man's Mercedes, they start in the 30k range though you can add options to them to push the price over 70k. Which amuses me because the most rear end in a top hat yuppie FYGM drivers in my area are always in a C class. It's just a bunch of kids acting like they're loaded without the bank account to really back it up. The start/stop is definitely a mechanical failure. A co-worker drives a Mercedes and because the thing is always in the shop, he gets a lot of loaners and most of them have the eco thing on them these days. Shutting the engine down without an electric motor to back it up is a comically dumb decision.. there's no responsiveness whatsoever on launch. Many of them have no way to permanently disable it either, every time you turn the car on you have to press the button again. xzzy fucked around with this message at 19:34 on May 31, 2015 |
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May 31, 2015 19:32
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xzzy posted:C class is the poor man's Mercedes, they start in the 30k range though you can add options to them to push the price over 70k. Since we have the A-Class, that's the poor-mans Merc here. The W203 C-class, older Mercs and A-classes are popular with posers. Typically bought by people who protest "But it's still a Benz!" even though it's a crap one.
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May 31, 2015 19:35
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Just came back from Paris. Marketing failure. "Bipper" is bad enough...  United Colors of Mediocrity. 
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May 31, 2015 19:44
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PainterofCrap posted:Just came back from Paris. Did you drive around Paris? It's.. an experience.
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May 31, 2015 19:49
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Mooseykins posted:Did you drive around Paris? It's.. an experience. No, but I did spend a week driving around Zurich. Got my fill of winding medieval horse paths, thank you
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May 31, 2015 20:18
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SouthsideSaint posted:Umm what model years are you talking about. Lately at work ive been working on a lot of the 2010-2015 bensuvs like the 500 and 350 and those things are utter SHITT. I would rather work on a pt cruiser then touch those things. AND I loving HATE PT CRUISERS. But all the bmws I have ever worked on were decent cars with there own quirks. But truthfully if the cars didn't have quirks I would be out of work. Late 00's/early 10's. Not the SUV's though, I don't see those very often so they may very well be poo poo. BMW"s seem well engineered but really poo poo to work on (I'm tired of the electric water pump idea) and the engines seem really, really sensitive. Every e90 and onwards I see has some sort of engine problem or runs like crap or makes a ticking noise or has a hosed transmission or whatever. Nowhere near VAG level though.
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May 31, 2015 20:36
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Slavvy posted:BMW"s seem well engineered but really poo poo to work on (I'm tired of the electric water pump idea) New Generation straight sixes with the external exectric waterpump and that huge plastic coolant housing. Oh, and there' a steering rack in the way. (Which thankfully comes out quite easy.) I've done loads of 2-litre diesel turbos on BMWs. I swear they're made of chocolate.
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May 31, 2015 20:47
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PainterofCrap posted:United Colors of Mediocrity. I loving love these terrible things. E: you have to drive them like you're French though. cakesmith handyman fucked around with this message at 21:05 on May 31, 2015 |
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May 31, 2015 21:03
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Mooseykins posted:New Generation straight sixes with the external exectric waterpump and that huge plastic coolant housing. Oh, and there' a steering rack in the way. (Which thankfully comes out quite easy.) Yup those. SO MUCH FUN IN AN X5!!
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May 31, 2015 21:10
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Slavvy posted:Yup those. SO MUCH FUN IN AN X5!! Down by the sump, under the exhaust, on the side where the engine is canted over, with the steering rack in the way! Thanks, BMW!
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May 31, 2015 21:16
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Can anyone from a not-stupid country comment on whether it's easier on a LHD version of that car?
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Slavvy posted:Can anyone from a not-stupid country comment on whether it's easier on a LHD version of that car? I have had the good fortune of only working on V8 Beamers and older straight sixes. And diesel BMW are a rare thing in the US. But I will say I would rather do a BMW water pump then the horrible mechanical failure that is a Toyota v6 water pump.
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