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Gestalt Intellect posted:A number of games recognize when they put their female characters in nonsensical outfits and it really doesn't make it any better. It's a bit like when games try to have some kind of genre commentary by saying "heh, isn't it annoying and dumb when games make you do this thing? Now we'll drive in the point...by making you do the thing anyway!! Commentary!" Recognizing you're doing something dumb doesn't make it any less dumb. Basically I think the game operates under movie logic, where everyone is sexy and beautiful because it is entertainment. At least the pandering makes sense in the context of the plot and characters. I still hate Star Trek: Into Darkness for making a woman strip naked for absolutely no reason. Wolfenstein's sex stuff felt out of place to me but the dissonance is part of the charm in that game. Lord Lambeth has a new favorite as of 17:19 on May 26, 2015 |
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Lord Lambeth posted:Wolfenstein's sex stuff felt out of place to me but the dissonance is part of the charm in that game. The first one is weirdly porny but the second one doesn't have serious competition for "least pervy sex scene in a video game ever".
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May 26, 2015 17:25
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DStecks posted:The first one is weirdly porny but the second one doesn't have serious competition for "least pervy sex scene in a video game ever". The Nurse and her hunky patient with a dangerous past. Yeah that sounds like one of those schlocky books.
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May 26, 2015 17:39
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poptart_fairy posted:Pretty much. The sex stuff simply appears to be there for fan service more than anything - that's fine but seeing the fanbase try to slap on some pseudo-intellectual bollocks about character development and realism is funny. At the end of the day those are characters in a game, it's obvious that - regardless of the devs' stance - sex scenes, nudity and all that stuff is added for nudity, but for all the flaws The Witcher III has (and it has quite a few) "there are optional sex scenes" does not seem like a particular sore point.
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May 26, 2015 18:15
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Witcher? drat near killed her.
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Lord Lambeth posted:Basically I think the game operates under movie logic, where everyone is sexy and beautiful because it is entertainment. They really aren't though. Witcher 2 and what I've seen of 3 have a lot of incredibly ugly or otherwise very ordinary people. It's mostly minor characters and unnamed peasants, but most of the setting is still very grounded and unattractive, which is partly what makes it feel like pandering to me. The setting is so ugly in a lot of ways that I had a hard time enjoying witcher 2 in fact. I know it's meant to be an awful setting and it's well-crafted but it's not really my thing.
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cthulhoo posted:childe problems itt For the record, I don't live with my grandma in her house, my grandma lives in my house with me because she's old and I take care of her so like, shut up Hunky Joe posted:Why are you engaging in the sex scenes though? You do know you can just deny the people. Kiera's side quest allows you to turn her down. So really it's the player's choice of what to see and guess what? You chose to see two characters have sex. So don't blame the game. I'm not engaging in them, I only made that mistake once. Just because I'm choosing not to watch them doesn't mean they're suddenly not annoying. It just makes them easier to ignore. edit: Szurumbur posted:At the end of the day those are characters in a game, it's obvious that - regardless of the devs' stance - sex scenes, nudity and all that stuff is added for nudity, but for all the flaws The Witcher III has (and it has quite a few) "there are optional sex scenes" does not seem like a particular sore point. And that's what I said on the previous page, too. It's really not THAT big a deal because it's an excellent game otherwise but I just have no idea why people in this thread are trying to tell me about the things I should and should not be disappointed by in a video game CJacobs has a new favorite as of 19:48 on May 26, 2015 |
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Gestalt Intellect posted:They really aren't though. Witcher 2 and what I've seen of 3 have a lot of incredibly ugly or otherwise very ordinary people. It's mostly minor characters and unnamed peasants, but most of the setting is still very grounded and unattractive, which is partly what makes it feel like pandering to me. I think the only people who are conventionally attractive are a) Dandellion and b) sorceresses. In the first case, he's a ladykiller bard, and in the latter, they're canonically all several hundred years old and only as beautiful as they are due to literally magic. Also all the gratuitous nudity and sex scenes is, well, firmly grounded in the source material. They wouldn't be able to cut down on it even if they wanted to.
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CJacobs posted:For the record, I don't live with my grandma in her house, my grandma lives in my house with me because she's old and I take care of her because you're a baby idiot fucker, not just about this but about everything, hth
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It does seem weird to complain about pandering in a game where you're the biggest badass in the world and you walking around solving everyone's problems with violence because you can always win any fight.
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swamp waste posted:It does seem weird to complain about pandering in a game where you're the biggest badass in the world and you walking around solving everyone's problems with violence because you can always win any fight. Yeah, but gratuitous violence is different than gratuitous sex because (to be clear, I'm not digging at anyone individually. It's a societal thing.) For content, the thing dragging Crypt of the Necrodancer down is that I can't see the end of the story unless I can beat the game as Aria. Who dies in a single hit or a single missed beat. I mean, I'm sure I could Youtube it, but...
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FredMSloniker posted:Yeah, but gratuitous violence is different than gratuitous sex because It is different. Not a good thread to discuss it in detail, but they are two extremely different things, and there's a lot of subtleties that go into how they're presented which means you could absolutely have a case where the presence of one feels out-of-place despite the presence of the other. FWIW I have an issue with the violence and gore in the series too (which is more of a personal thing than a criticism), although in the witcher 2 it didn't feel overboard while what what I've seen of 3 looks a lot more gratuitous. quote:For content, the thing dragging Crypt of the Necrodancer down is that I can't see the end of the story unless I can beat the game as Aria. Who dies in a single hit or a single missed beat. I mean, I'm sure I could Youtube it, but... I just accepted that I'm never going to win with her and stick to cadence. Every other character feels like a gimmick that isn't fun for very long anyway.
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FredMSloniker posted:Yeah, but gratuitous violence is different than gratuitous sex because Exactly - for example, I've been offered to be beat up or stabbed a few times, but no stranger on the street has offered me sex; I'd demand some amount of realism from my games.
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Tevery Best posted:I think the only people who are conventionally attractive are a) Dandellion and b) sorceresses. In the first case, he's a ladykiller bard, and in the latter, they're canonically all several hundred years old and only as beautiful as they are due to literally magic. The sorceresses are all gorgeous because they augment themselves with glamour spells. To be totally fair I think if anyone had the power to change their appearance they would use it to make themselves sexually appealing so I can't blame them.
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RagnarokAngel posted:The sorceresses are all gorgeous because they augment themselves with glamour spells. Not anyone. I would use that power to make myself look like a bear. e: a regular bear, not a sexy bear
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Szurumbur posted:Exactly - for example, I've been offered to be beat up or stabbed a few times, but no stranger on the street has offered me sex; I'd demand some amount of realism from my games. Stabbing was a euphemism. You should have said yes,
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Nostradingus posted:Not anyone. I would use that power to make myself look like a bear. You could just buy a leather cap, assless chaps and some chains, you'd be the talk of the Blue Oyster Bar. PS: Also, grow a mustache.
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RagnarokAngel posted:The sorceresses are all gorgeous because they augment themselves with glamour spells. That or the opposite. Some people would make themselves look monstrous instead.
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Tiggum posted:That or the opposite. Some people would make themselves look monstrous instead. But enough about your mom.
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From what I remember in Witcher 2 the male sorcerers all make themselves look like nondescript middle aged men wrapped head to toe in robes.
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Some of the bullshit tracking enemies do in Dark Souls 2 seems to have gotten worse with Scholar of the first sin.
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I've seen a couple of witches/sorceress' around who aren't super duper sexed up. I assume being sexy is a power thing, since basically all the main sorceress' are former lodge members.
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Witcher 3's tutorial/five hour long beginner area begins and ends with the main character naked taking a bath, and getting out of it dripping wet, so at least there's some steps towards equality that way! There's not even a woman in the second scene. On the other hand, dragging down Witcher 3 is that picking up literally anything flags that tab in your inventory as 'something new' even when it's just added to your stack of other flowers you plucked from the ground.
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one of the advertising points of Witcher 3 was Genuine Geralt Dick Glisten
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Alouicious posted:one of the advertising points of Witcher 3 was Genuine Geralt Dick Glisten Be sure to turn on NVidia Dickworks though to get the full experience.
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Only thing bringing down the Witcher 3 for me is that I can't buy Gwent booster packs in a nerd store filled with sweaty overweight guys playing Warhammer. Immersion ruined.
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Hunky Joe posted:Only thing bringing down the Witcher 3 for me is that I can't buy Gwent booster packs in a nerd store filled with sweaty overweight guys playing Warhammer.  Witcher 3 is actually a collectible card game with an open world RPG stapled on to it
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The Antistasi Altis mod for Arma 3: The AI is way too happy to throw armor at you. Provided the creator did tone it down a bit, just now instead of having light tanks thrown at me in response to literally everything I do and proper tanks after 20 minutes of gameplay the AI now starts at the bottom... with an armored personnel carrier that my rifle cannot pierce, my poorly trained AT units using the only non lock on launcher in the entire game who will miss, and take multiple rockets to actually blow up, and it has a turret on top that will do the usual Arma AI snap shot one shot one kill BS. Yaaaay.... Basically all my gameplay for the past couple of hours was "Task complete: Anything. APC located 100 meters nor-"*entire squad dies*
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Blackwell Unbound is a really good adventure game, and Dani Marco and Abe Goldfarb play the two protagonists really well, but there are three old women in the game and they're all played by young women, and their voices are just terrible. The youngest of them is almost passable, but the other two are just really bad and it makes me start skipping over dialogue and then I miss the actually good bits. Also, Dave Gilbert (the writer) plays two roles and, knowing his voice, it's really obvious.
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Leal posted:
Well it is a sim and that does sound like the Genuine Warfare Experience 
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I just beat Dragon Age: Inquisition and in true modern Bioware fashion the ending was anti-climactic and unsatisfying. Also, they must think they're so clever with the Solas reveal, and it would have been had they not telegraphed it so loudly since the first couple hours of the game that you'd have to be dense not to know at least something was up with him. I think there's a good chance this may be the last Bioware game I buy.
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I didn't see the reveal coming but at the end of the day I thought it was dumb because it didn't matter and actually made everything seem even dumber.
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Esroc posted:I just beat Dragon Age: Inquisition and in true modern Bioware fashion the ending was anti-climactic and unsatisfying. Reminds me of Starcraft 2's story, wherein Tychus betrays you in the closing cinematic. It would be a spoiler if the following didn't happen:
And Raynor is all surprised at the end, likely because he's the kind of gamer who skips all the cutscenes and dialog. It was so blatant I was sure he wasn't the traitor because how could anyone write that ham-handedly? E: Got the name wrong 
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At this point, that Blizzard even tries to make games with stories, I want to give them a little white "Participant" ribbon for their effort. They've been so deficient for so long that it's just kind of cute and plucky at this point. Playing Darksiders 2, and I'm really not too into the Loot system. I think the God of War/Onimusha/Dark Siders 1/etc progression of items is a really solid idea, and I don't get that same sense of constant progress with a loot system. It just doesn't do a lot for this type of game, particularly a single-player one.
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Evilreaver posted:Reminds me of Starcraft 2's story, wherein Marcus betrays you in the closing cinematic. The dude's name is Tychus, and I've always felt that it was extremely obvious that Raynor knew Tychus was going to betray him. They set it up pretty well that Raynor had screwed over Tychus in the past and was going to take his pound of flesh eventually; the surprise at the end was that Tychus was going to take that out of someone else and not him. The thing that dragged Starcraft 2 down was trying to pimp out the e-sports nature of it.
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I like the part in Borderlands 2 where you meet a guy and in the background another character yells out "HE'S GONNA BETRAY THE gently caress OUTTA YOU!" because that's like 90% of video game plots to the point where it's more surprising when you aren't betrayed by somebody.
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Sleeveless posted:I like the part in Borderlands 2 where you meet a guy and in the background another character yells out "HE'S GONNA BETRAY THE gently caress OUTTA YOU!" because that's like 90% of video game plots to the point where it's more surprising when you aren't betrayed by somebody. And as I recall, there are no betrayals in Borderlands 2 anyway.
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Cleretic posted:And as I recall, there are no betrayals in Borderlands 2 anyway. It's in the Torgue DLC
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Cleretic posted:And as I recall, there are no betrayals in Borderlands 2 anyway. Well there's Angel. But they make a similar joke out of it there since the villain spends the entire lead up to it literally snickering about it.
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