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NovemberMike
Dec 28, 2008

CainFortea posted:


But I am. How does someone honestly think boat is going to go gently caress goons?

Have you ever been on a boat fleet? Ever heard the words "if you took fleet warp you're dead"?

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Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

The greatest trick the devil boat ever pulled is to convince the world he doesn't exist to regularly gently caress goons while seeming useful so as not to get :commissar:

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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HappyKitty posted:

It's cute how MOA think's they're....


Revenant :frogc00l:

I'd like to thank every single little bee for this, it's beautiful.

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

vodkat posted:

Guys this isn't a pos shoot, honest

"bring lots of t1 ammo"

Fix Lag
Sep 8, 2011

There's a sale at Penny's!

Xolve posted:

"bring lots of t1 ammo"

to shoot the titan he's got tackled

Fix Lag
Sep 8, 2011

There's a sale at Penny's!
Oooh sorry guys too slow it got away

oh wow would you look at that we're in bridging range of a bunch of structures that need reinforced

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


You guys are making my point for me. DBRB lied, goons died.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This MOA alliance mail about the Revenant is amazing.

TimNeilson
Dec 21, 2008

Hahaha!
FCON are really bad: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29135400

Schlampa
Dec 28, 2006


Not sure what's worse, the fit, or him warping in on us at 100 and daring us to shoot him.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Unfunny Poster posted:

This MOA alliance mail about the Revenant is amazing.

It's like they can't understand what no longer giving a poo poo about a Revenant is like.

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Fix Lag posted:

to shoot the titan he's got tackled

To be fair, in those times you could actually warp scramble a POS... so I mean, as long as you maintained a loose definition of 'Titan' he wasn't actually lying.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

gently caress FCON.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fix Lag posted:

Oooh sorry guys too slow it got away

oh wow would you look at that we're in bridging range of a bunch of structures that need reinforced

The World of Yesterday's Goonfleet dot Com, prior to the advent of Siege Fleet, must have been a dreadful environment for those who yearn to shoot pos and take territory in this space empire simulator.

KaoliniteMilkshake
Jul 9, 2010

Nietzschean posted:

The World of Yesterday's Goonfleet dot Com, prior to the advent of Siege Fleet, must have been a dreadful environment for those who yearn to shoot pos and take territory in this space empire simulator.

The first step to dealing with a problem is to admit you have one.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

ullerrm posted:

I was only around for the 2014 one, where EG blueballed. I've heard second-hand about the 2013 one, but I wasn't there, so I'm not going to quote that as fact.

But frankly, nothing is gained by airing laundry here. Revenant sacrificed successfully, MOA killboard stats wrecked, gf, etc. Let's try to take good things away from this :)

e: Softened this post a bit. If you saw the original post (or are just curious) and want to chat with me more about it, hit me up on Jabber.

I'd advise you to think very carefully in future before making statements like this in a public forum:

ullerrm posted:

That has more to do with EG's behavior at previous Vile Rat Day events. But, frankly, if you're really that concerned about goons shooting other goons, you're probably taking this game too seriously.

Especially when there exists legitimate reasons to dislike EG :colbert:

Even more so when the information you seem to be referencing is second / third / fourth hand, and consider that those fleets were being FC'd by Mister Vee, someone likely affected far more than most by the loss of Sean.

If you ever have a genuine concern with EG's actions you're welcome to come and speak to me about it.

Dominionix fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Jun 1, 2015

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My understanding of the incident is basically that a bunch of people who were drunk/high/silly/whatever got mad that Vee's fleet had good numbers and a good doctrine. The stories that get passed around about the incident in question are all variations of people being very upset that Vee's competently-led and tightly-composed fleet did not die to whatever wacky, kitchen sink bullshit was thrown at it; and, it is implied in the retellings that having a serious face on silly day was wrong and against the spirit of the Vile Rat Day npsi event. All of my interactions with EG have all been entirely positive, in which a bunch of people who are far quieter than the shrieking masses of the US time zone patiently endured me and treated me well despite my faults; so, for me at least it seems entirely contrary for anything actually untoward to have happened.

Is there some incident within the "incident" that I just never heard about?

Bonfire Lit
Jul 9, 2008

If you're one of the sinners who caused this please unfriend me now.

Nietzschean posted:

Is there some incident within the "incident" that I just never heard about?
Not that I'm aware of, but some people are just really mad that EG is limited access and try to smear the sig at every opportunity. not talking about you, flanders

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Dominionix posted:

I'd advise you to think very carefully in future before making statements like this in a public forum:


Even more so when the information you seem to be referencing is second / third / fourth hand, and consider that those fleets were being FC'd by Mister Vee, someone likely affected far more than the rest of us by the loss of Sean.

If you ever have a genuine concern with EG's actions you're welcome to come and speak to me about it.

calm down you doofus nobody said anything like that

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Dominionix posted:

I'd advise you to think very carefully in future before making statements like this in a public forum:

EG poster spotted

quote:

consider that those fleets were being FC'd by Mister Vee, someone likely affected far more than the rest of us by the loss of Sean.

Really? That's where you're going to go?

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

MisterOblivious posted:

Really? That's where you're going to go?

Possibly a poor choice of words there, "most" rather than "the rest of us" seems more appropriate.

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
the whole thing was a poor choice of words since flanders didn't insinuate anywhere near the road you're trotting down

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

There's an irony buffet being served here in arguing about a spaceship thing between friends and allies that happened ages ago to memorialize a guy who was made space famous for shaping the diplomatic landscape. I'm not sure if that makes this thing terrible or wonderful, but its definitely goons.txt.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

Bonfire Lit posted:

Not that I'm aware of, but some people are just really mad that EG is limited access and try to smear the sig at every opportunity. not talking about you, flanders

Not claiming this is the case with you personally, but a lot of people don't seem to know that EG used to have an open-door policy to recruitment. I wish we still could, but it reached the point where our numbers spiralled out of control. At our peak we exceeded 1,400 members and every broadcast got almost a full 250-man fleet. It meant that no hostiles would engage us resulting in blueballs for everyone involved. EG now operates with approximately 300 members in the auth group (50 or so of whom are not active members, they're there for visibility purposes), and we purge every few months to ensure those who are in the group are active.

What the alliance desperately needs is another EU TZ group, something we've been saying for a long time. The problem is active EU TZ FCs. No squad / SIG is going to survive without content. I've already offered to hand-hold and support the creation of other EU TZ groups (as far as I'm concerned competition is good, and EG would welcome some), but the ingredients needed to make it work just don't exist. Find me some super-motivated EU TZ FC's and leadership-types who are willing to make large sacrifices in their personal time, and I'll help you make another EU TZ squad.

Bonfire Lit
Jul 9, 2008

If you're one of the sinners who caused this please unfriend me now.

Dominionix posted:

Not claiming this is the case with you personally, but a lot of people don't seem to know that EG used to have an open-door policy to recruitment.
I know. But I still believe (and I've also said so on jabber) that a lot of the animosity originates from people who think EG is just another squad, like Theta or Sigma, except with a focus on European players (or at least those playing in a similar time zone). They they apply, get rejected, and are angry because they think they don't meet some arbitrary elitist requirement. If EG was called something else, with no reference to Europe at all, I doubt anyone but the most angry players would bat an eye about not getting in.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

Bonfire Lit posted:

I know. But I still believe (and I've also said so on jabber) that a lot of the animosity originates from people who think EG is just another squad, like Theta or Sigma, except with a focus on European players (or at least those playing in a similar time zone). They they apply, get rejected, and are angry because they think they don't meet some arbitrary elitist requirement. If EG was called something else, with no reference to Europe at all, I doubt anyone but the most angry players would bat an eye about not getting in.

I'd agree with that. Natural progression over the years has taken EG more in the direction of a SIG than a squad.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

the whole thing was a poor choice of words since flanders didn't insinuate anywhere near the road you're trotting down

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm unconditionally stating that I can't imagine why anyone would think Vee, someone incredibly close to Sean both in real life and in-game, would do anything to taint an event taking place in his memory?

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus
I never knew Vile rat so it would be inappropriate for me to comment on matters relating to him personally. But for an event where people roam around in kitchen sink fleets. Killing each other for giggles. It would be pretty lame to bring some elite doctrine fleet that picked off the other participants uncontested.

I had a taste of that mindset as the clock passed midnight on a workday and the EG fleet slowly started repairing last nights Revenant. As if some lord überdick felt that this rag tag band peasants where bruising his ego by bringing down something he was tasked with defending and that was just unacceptable to the point where he had to be odered to stop to get him to back off.

Red54
Dec 4, 2008

Zephyrine posted:

I never knew Vile rat so it would be inappropriate for me to comment on matters relating to him personally. But for an event where people roam around in kitchen sink fleets. Killing each other for giggles. It would be pretty lame to bring some elite doctrine fleet that picked off the other participants uncontested.

I had a taste of that mindset as the clock passed midnight on a workday and the EG fleet slowly started repairing last nights Revenant. As if some lord überdick felt that this rag tag band peasants where bruising his ego by bringing down something he was tasked with defending and that was just unacceptable to the point where he had to be odered to stop to get him to back off.

EG was there to defend the revenant, it was expected that the nightmares would be swarmed and die horribly in the early part of the fight but theta and reavers were the only ones actually trying to kill them.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

Zephyrine posted:

I never knew Vile rat so it would be inappropriate for me to comment on matters relating to him personally. But for an event where people roam around in kitchen sink fleets. Killing each other for giggles. It would be pretty lame to bring some elite doctrine fleet that picked off the other participants uncontested.

I had a taste of that mindset as the clock passed midnight on a workday and the EG fleet slowly started repairing last nights Revenant. As if some lord überdick felt that this rag tag band peasants where bruising his ego by bringing down something he was tasked with defending and that was just unacceptable to the point where he had to be odered to stop to get him to back off.

EG defending the Revenant last night was supposed to be a win-win affair for everyone involved. EG would get to fight horribly outnumbered (kinda our gimmick, and we love a challenge) whilst suiciding a doctrine we have now retired for some insurance money. In return, the entire coalition could get this elitism chip off their shoulder by utterly slaughtering us. I can tell you right now, it doesn't matter how good you are or what ships you're in, nobody takes 190 up against 1,700 and expects to come out alive. We went in to that fight insured and prepared to lose every single ship. Even with nothing but frigates, a small amount of coordination on the part of the other fleets would have completely overwhelmed and decimated us.

Instead EG, who went in against impossible odds with the absolute certainty that we would just be giving everyone some free (and very expensive) killmails, came out the other side without having lost a single Nightmare or Tengu, and were made out to be the bad guys. I don't really know what more people wanted from us, but short of sitting there with our modules turned off and singing on comms I honestly don't think we can make it much easier...

Tally
May 26, 2011

Dominionix posted:

I honestly don't think we can make it much easier...

You could have FC'd it.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Honestly how could EG have known that the best FC in the game could win with a tight, blingy fleet doctrine against a bunch of uncoordinated schmucks?

Morkfang
Dec 9, 2009

I'm awesome.
:smug:

Dominionix posted:

EG defending the Revenant last night was supposed to be a win-win affair for everyone involved. EG would get to fight horribly outnumbered (kinda our gimmick, and we love a challenge) whilst suiciding a doctrine we have now retired for some insurance money. In return, the entire coalition could get this elitism chip off their shoulder by utterly slaughtering us. I can tell you right now, it doesn't matter how good you are or what ships you're in, nobody takes 190 up against 1,700 and expects to come out alive. We went in to that fight insured and prepared to lose every single ship. Even with nothing but frigates, a small amount of coordination on the part of the other fleets would have completely overwhelmed and decimated us.

Instead EG, who went in against impossible odds with the absolute certainty that we would just be giving everyone some free (and very expensive) killmails, came out the other side without having lost a single Nightmare or Tengu, and were made out to be the bad guys. I don't really know what more people wanted from us, but short of sitting there with our modules turned off and singing on comms I honestly don't think we can make it much easier...

You're totally missing the point with your selective reading/comprehending skills. As far as I'm aware EG was meant to defend the Revenant, not rep it. I hope you can see that there's a difference, given the context of the event. 1800 nerds sitting there in lovely tidi, waiting for the shield to finally go down and then EG started rep'ing it. I don't think many people appreciated that.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

Caryna posted:

You're totally missing the point with your selective reading/comprehending skills. As far as I'm aware EG was meant to defend the Revenant, not rep it. I hope you can see that there's a difference, given the context of the event. 1800 nerds sitting there in lovely tidi, waiting for the shield to finally go down and then EG started rep'ing it. I don't think many people appreciated that.

Define the word "defend" for me.

Dominionix
Feb 27, 2007

Because you touch yourself at night...

Tally posted:

You could have FC'd it.

:iceburn:

The Hambulance
Apr 19, 2011

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Caryna posted:

You're totally missing the point with your selective reading/comprehending skills. As far as I'm aware EG was meant to defend the Revenant, not rep it. I hope you can see that there's a difference, given the context of the event. 1800 nerds sitting there in lovely tidi, waiting for the shield to finally go down and then EG started rep'ing it. I don't think many people appreciated that.

Because it's what PL would have done :laugh:

There weren't a lot of people interested in fighting EG. Most of our "valued allies" were there for LOL REV KILLMAIL, and quickly exited the system as soon as it was dead.

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



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Nietzschean posted:

a bunch of uncoordinated schmucks

You're really overestimating the ability of the average Imperium line member here.

Source: I was in the papusa fleet, we still somehow managed to get pipe bombed by friendlies last night

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Caryna posted:

800 nerds sitting there in lovely tidi, waiting for the shield to finally go down and then EG started rep'ing it. I don't think many people appreciated that.

Some people just don't have a sense of humour :colbert:

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
Was a fight had? Was a Revenant destroyed? Is MOA crying? If so, I don't understand why anyone in the CFC Imperium is upset about anything in EG, a SIG squad of which they are not a member.

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Drythe
Aug 26, 2012


 
I also thought the initial broadcast made a few days ago about EG said specifically they were going to be repping it so that it would stay alive long enough for people to get on the killmail.

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