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Old Man Logan was great, but when was the last time they showed Wolverine just blatantly dicing people up? Is this a recent thing? IIRC, usually panels with violence are just claws or swipes, maybe some blood. OLM had lots of body parts flying. Doesn't bother me, just wondering what the impetus for the change was. Infinity Gauntlet was great from start to finish. Can't wait for the next one to drop.
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May 29, 2015 20:46
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Old Man Logan is a more mature take on the character, so there's no real reason to censor the violence. It's kind of refreshing honestly.
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May 29, 2015 22:14
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Old Man Logan was great, but when was the last time they showed Wolverine just blatantly dicing people up? Is this a recent thing? IIRC, usually panels with violence are just claws or swipes, maybe some blood. OLM had lots of body parts flying. Doesn't bother me, just wondering what the impetus for the change was. That was the original OML gimmick. The writer just liked gore and poo poo. So they probably carried it over to mimmick the feel of the story. Its weird hearing the story is good, considering how bad the original was.
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May 29, 2015 22:22
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actually, would i need to know anything from the original story or is just "wolverine is clint eastwood in post-apocalypse marvel" all i need to know?
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May 29, 2015 23:00
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CharlestheHammer posted:That was the original OML gimmick. The writer just liked gore and poo poo. So they probably carried it over to mimmick the feel of the story. Yeah the original OML gimmick was Wolverine going around and dicing up people and killing them, and not literally the opposite of that. FutureFriend posted:actually, would i need to know anything from the original story or is just "wolverine is clint eastwood in post-apocalypse marvel" all i need to know? Basically all the supervillians were like "wait there are a billion of us" and swapped archenemies around and killed all of superheroes except a few. Wolverine was tricked by Mysterio into killing all the X-men and made a vow of pacificism after that. Blind Hawkeye shows up and they undertake a cross country journey of adventure in which Logan's new found philosophy is seriously challenged. Ultimately he recants.. zoux fucked around with this message at 23:03 on May 29, 2015 |
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May 29, 2015 23:01
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FutureFriend posted:actually, would i need to know anything from the original story or is just "wolverine is clint eastwood in post-apocalypse marvel" all i need to know? There's a recap at the beginning that explains the premise.
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May 29, 2015 23:02
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zoux posted:Basically all the supervillians were like "wait there are a billion of us" and swapped archenemies around and killed all of superheroes except a few. Wolverine was tricked by Mysterio into killing all the X-men and made a vow of pacificism after that. Blind Hawkeye shows up and they undertake a cross country journey of adventure in which Logan's new found philosophy is seriously challenged. Ultimately he recants.. Important note, Emma Frost married DOOM to create a safe place for Mutants. Also, Symbiot T-rex.
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May 29, 2015 23:08
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Also you should read it because despite what the We Hate Mark MIllar Automatically Stinkface and Can Never Shut the gently caress Up About It Brigade say, it's actually quite good.
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May 29, 2015 23:11
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zoux posted:Yeah the original OML gimmick was Wolverine going around and dicing up people and killing them, and not literally the opposite of that. I said that yes. Also I don't particularly hate Mark Millar(I don't know much about him really), but that story was just bad.
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May 29, 2015 23:17
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Old Man Logan was the best issue of The Dark Tower that I've read in a long time.
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May 29, 2015 23:21
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CharlestheHammer posted:I said that yes. Yeah and I was saying that the whole story was Wolverine refusing to use violence against overwhelming justification to do so, but with cutting sarcasm.
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May 29, 2015 23:21
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CharlestheHammer posted:I said that yes. Old Man Logan is full of a lot of Millar bullshit, but it's probably one of the more readable things he's ever done so if you didn't like it, and I completely understand why, I would suggest not familiarizing yourself with his other stuff. Especially his creator owned stuff where he doesn't have to funnel his idea through someone else.
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May 29, 2015 23:22
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Deadpool posted:Old Man Logan is full of a lot of Millar bullshit, but it's probably one of the more readable things he's ever done so if you didn't like it, and I completely understand why, I would suggest not familiarizing yourself with his other stuff. Especially his creator owned stuff where he doesn't have to funnel his idea through someone else. What MIllar bullshit are you referring to specifically with respect to OML?
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May 29, 2015 23:25
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zoux posted:Yeah and I was saying that the whole story was Wolverine refusing to use violence against overwhelming justification to do so, but with cutting sarcasm. The pacifist thing was actually rather neat, but I don; think the dude was talking about Wolverine in particular but the bloody and gory way that OML presented itself. Which didn't need to exist so I assume is just the authors thing. Though my main problem is that the story seemed more focused on the worldbuilding than the plot, which wasn't that interesting, hth. Plus everything to do with the hulks was just awful. Deadpool posted:Old Man Logan is full of a lot of Millar bullshit, but it's probably one of the more readable things he's ever done so if you didn't like it, and I completely understand why, I would suggest not familiarizing yourself with his other stuff. Especially his creator owned stuff where he doesn't have to funnel his idea through someone else. Yeah I am not a big author guy, so unless you are a big name I probably won't know who you are. Though didn't he do something with Civil War? I know he did the Ultimates. Which I liked a decent bit.
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May 29, 2015 23:27
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i'm not all that fond of millar myself, but if you guys say it's good, i'll pick it up next time it's on sale.
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May 29, 2015 23:28
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zoux posted:What MIllar bullshit are you referring to specifically with respect to OML? Spider-Bitch, the incest Hulk family.
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May 29, 2015 23:34
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As someone with no background in OML I thought it was a good issue, although he twisted my main man Punisher into the bad guys  Then again violence in a comic doesn't bother me, so...
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May 29, 2015 23:37
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I don't think "Old Man Logan" would be anywhere near as tolerable were it not for Steve McNiven's art. Yeah, Millar's a little more reined-in than usual, "Spider-Bitch" and the inbred family of Hulks notwithstanding, but McNiven makes the book.
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May 29, 2015 23:47
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FutureFriend posted:actually, would i need to know anything from the original story or is just "wolverine is clint eastwood in post-apocalypse marvel" all i need to know? Cue a two page spread:  And the claws FINALLY pop out after all this pain and losing what friends he had left to save his family. IT'S loving ON. 
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May 30, 2015 00:12
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Old Man Logan was good, but as far as Marvel-wasteland-comics go, I think the one with the Hulk being alone as the last sentient thing left on Earth was the better, yet more depressing story.
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May 30, 2015 01:40
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Vakal posted:Old Man Logan was good, but as far as Marvel-wasteland-comics go, I think the one with the Hulk being alone as the last sentient thing left on Earth was the better, yet more depressing story. That had such a brutal loving ending though. "Bruce" dies and the Hulk is finally left alone. All alone.
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May 30, 2015 02:37
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Jiro posted:It's not so much he recants is that through the story slowly he's put into situations that keep pushing him more and more to the Logan he used to be I mean by the time they make it to post apocalyptic Nazi New York (DC?). Logan dukes it out with the Red Skull and satisfyingly decapitates him with Cap's shield. His whole vow was to never pop his claws again. Which to his credit he doesn't do, until he's racing back home in some beat up Iron Man armor to pay a debt to the Redneck Hulk Family. He finally makes it back, his home in ruins and his Not Jean redheaded wife and children slaughtered. I read it on Unlimited a while ago, and it doesn't have the big Snikt.
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May 30, 2015 03:40
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IUG posted:Old Man Logan was the best issue of The Dark Tower that I've read in a long time. Almost sad how true this is.
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May 30, 2015 05:37
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Aphrodite posted:I read it on Unlimited a while ago, and it doesn't have the big Snikt. It probably wouldn't have the same effect, depending on what device you're reading it on, still kind of dumb to remove it.
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May 31, 2015 12:05
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Just spent the last few weeks catching up on A/NA hardcore in time for Secret Wars. It's all been amazing, I loving love Hickman so much. The best tie-ins so far have been A-Force, Planet Hulk, and Infinity Gauntlet. I really wanted to like Old Man Logan on the strength of its art, but I never read the original, so it didn't do much for me. I will say it did make me want to check it out, even if I despise Millar.
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May 31, 2015 19:55
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I actually just read Old Man Logan for the first time this weekend because of the SW tie in. It doesn't really have that many "Millar"isms. The worst is the cannibal Banner clan stuff but that's just the first and last issue.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:56
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muscles like this? posted:I actually just read Old Man Logan for the first time this weekend because of the SW tie in. It doesn't really have that many "Millar"isms. The worst is the cannibal Banner clan stuff but that's just the first and last issue. Spider-Bitch is a big one as well. Plus the Clan has a lot of it.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:01
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Wait, that was supposed to be her superhero name? I thought it was just the guy insulting her.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:49
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Aphrodite posted:Wait, that was supposed to be her superhero name? I thought it was just the guy insulting her. Yeah, she's called that once in the Kingpin territory right before she's about to be executed. The comic definitely doesn't make it seem like its supposed to be her name,
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Jun 1, 2015 10:09
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muscles like this? posted:Yeah, she's called that once in the Kingpin territory right before she's about to be executed. The comic definitely doesn't make it seem like its supposed to be her name, Yes, but Mark Millar also made a villian who was a poo poo golem so...
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Jun 1, 2015 10:39
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Aphrodite posted:Wait, that was supposed to be her superhero name? I thought it was just the guy insulting her. MILLAR: You see Spider-Man's granddaughter in it. She's called Spider-Bitch. IGN: -laughs- What? MILLAR: -laughs- She's this wee badass kind of girl who wants to kill the new Kingpin who rules the Utah area. And here: MILLAR: Only a few Marvel Heroes are still alive and the story mainly focuses on their descendants. There's a new Kingpin for example and Spiderman's granddaughter, Spider-bitch, is a favorite but the characters I'm most excited about are the radiation sick sons and grandsons of the Hulk Or here! MILLAR: The kind of characters he runs into is like Spider-Man's granddaughter, who is called Spider-Bitch and she is this black Spidey-Girl type of person that runs around in Utah. He runs into what's left of the X-Men. He runs into the remains of the Marvel Universe. And it's done in a way that you have never seen before. This isn't an off-hand line of dialogue that critics of Mark Millar have latched onto. This was an explicit selling point of Old Man Logan in Mark Millar's eyes. "Hawkeye's a drug dealer! The Hulks are all incestuous/inbred. SPIDER-BITCH! Ha ha, I came up with Spider-Bitch! She's black you see!"
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Spider-bitch being black and also a total piece of poo poo that you're supposed to want to see die is the most Millar thing I can think of.
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Jun 1, 2015 14:40
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Is SW#3 this week? I really need my SW fix.
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Jun 1, 2015 15:40
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Is SW#3 this week? I really need my SW fix. Yep
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Jun 1, 2015 15:43
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I think this is all the Battleworld stuff this week: Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows #1 Armor Wars #1 Future Imperfect #1 Master of Kung-Fu #2 Secret Wars #3 Secret Wars Battleworld #2 X-tinction Agenda #1 Years of Future Past #1 e: Giant Size Little Marvel AvX #1 Majuju fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Jun 1, 2015 15:52
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I'll be checking out basically all the secret wars comics eventually, this whole event has been some really high stakes stuff, and I'm interested to see where they go from here. Even just the stuff that's already happened has been great, I mean how do you top a pissed off old-man Captain America and an evil Tony Stark slugging it out with each wearing Iron Man Armor while the world literally ends around them? That's already a way better payoff than Civil War ever gave us. Also, in retrospect I'm sad that Amazing Spider-Man's original numbering ended before this event. I liked Superior Spider-Man, for the most part, but it would have been fun to have the number pick right back up, and to have it finally end with the alleged end of the Marvel Universe. It wouldn't really make sense business-wise (new #1 issues are always a business draw), but I think it would have been a fun tribute to Marvel's most famous hero. I dunno, I'm just a big nerd that sees things like issue #600 and thinks "wow, there have been 600 little stories about this guy and I could backtrack all the way through them and it would mostly make sense." NowonSA fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Jun 1, 2015 15:59
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You missed Giant Size Little Marvel AvX #1.
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Jun 1, 2015 16:02
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Endless Mike posted:You missed Giant Size Little Marvel AvX #1. Oh, I wasn't sure if this was a tie-in. The logo got kinda lost on the super-busy cover. Thanks! e: is SWA short-code for Secret Wars stuff in the shipping list?
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Jun 1, 2015 16:06
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This is seriously the best event with the best tie ins since ever.
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NowonSA posted:Also, in retrospect I'm sad that Amazing Spider-Man's original numbering ended before this event. I liked Superior Spider-Man, for the most part, but it would have been fun to have the number pick right back up, and to have it finally end with the alleged end of the Marvel Universe. It wouldn't really make sense business-wise (new #1 issues are always a business draw), but I think it would have been a fun tribute to Marvel's most famous hero. I dunno, I'm just a big nerd that sees things like issue #600 and thinks "wow, there have been 600 little stories about this guy and I could backtrack all the way through them and it would mostly make sense." Don't worry, Marvel loves to switch numbering around all the time. So whenever a big issue comes up that would have been like issue 650 or 700 or something, Marvel will put it back to that for a little bit. I think they should just put something like the current run over the total run, like 18/630 to make it easier to track and have that sense of wow that a large issue run gives.
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