goattrails posted:I've dogfighted a lot in SC. Its a game.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:29 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:14 |
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MoraleHazard posted:As an average line member, I thought it was a fun event with the added bonus of Boat's character being in MOA for the loss, which had me giggling privately even today. The surprise of 'huh it's red. Wait it's MOA!' still has me chuckling and giggling.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:33 |
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You can fly spaceships, shoot other spaceships with lasers, bullets and missiles, land, takeoff, walk around, push buttons. I'd say it qualify as A game.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:37 |
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A game that can't handle more than six people doing that in one area.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:42 |
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Anything that ruins MOA's day is just the best.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:43 |
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Alright, I'll bite. EG does things things that are literally impossible at an alliance level because some goonswarm line members are loving useless. Our doctrines are limited by our player ability and we have never had any sort of culture that promoted competency at a line member level. You will never get kicked for being bad at eve and so everything that gets done, from harpy fleets to tengus to loving supers is restricted by the lowest common denominator, which happens to be really loving low. EG and reavers are the only groups that are tight knit enough, selective enough, AND have enough members which enables them to form actual fleets with complex doctrines. The biggest problem really is that mainfleet by and large sucks dick, and people telling you to join sigs or squads to have fun doesn't really solve that problem. If I see a all-all ping go out, I have no way of knowing if the FC is pants on head retarded or not (other than prior experience) because there really isn't any mechanism to prevent criminally stupid people that think untanked algos are a good idea to fight worms with. And even if the FC is good, any wonderful idea he has is again limited by the competency of his members. If I see a reavers broadcast however, I know its going to either be led by asher or the FC will have his seal of approval and I know that at the very least the other members in the fleet are there to kill poo poo. Groups like this also develop a cadre of people that help out the FC. A huge advantage of reavers is Asher knows the people that are supporting him. His scouts, his logi anchor are going to be people he has flown with before over and over again and he doens't need to micromanage them and can simply do his thing. Look at the revenant kill thing. I wasn't there but I'm going to assume EG was fairly outnumbered but were stomping dicks because it was fleets led by oxygen composed largely of karmafleet retards and only half the people were in the right ships. You can't really just say GET GOOD FAGGOTS when its impossible to do so without drastically changing the alliance. There is also this idea that people become too good to on on mainfleet ops because of these reasons. Instead of making fleets better by filling crucial roles in fleets to support the FC such as scout, being logi anchor, or otherwise taking any sort of initiative to help the FC during fleets, its just much easier to join EG, reavers, hole squad or any other group that is selective because god drat sometimes you just get tired of no one else giving a poo poo. As a result, there is an alliance wide brain drain where good pilots leave mainfleet behind so they can fly with like minded pilots. Is it annoying that EG gets toys like nightmare doctrines? Kind of, but I mean our alliance isn't good enough to use ishtars for fucks sake. The only real way to fix this is by doing alliance level deployments like the one that laz did a few months ago, and just fighting a lot of other dudes alongside the same pilots every day but I think the leadership is fine with the GET GOOD niche being filled by EG and reavers. PookBear fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jun 1, 2015 |
# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:55 |
Reverand maynard posted:Alright, I'll bite. This is a lot of words probably 99%of people are going to scroll past btw
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 20:57 |
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Reverand maynard posted:Alright, I'll bite. uhhhh holy poo poo dude no one cares that eg has a nightmare fleet, this whole arguement is the dumbest thing ive ever heard you guys showed up to a npsi and didnt die o well the rest of us will have to try harder next time. Different strokes for different folks
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:09 |
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I'll use comic sans over MS paint images for you next time.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:09 |
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various cheeses posted:Anything that ruins MOA's day is just the best. The unhappy result of EG's fleet comp does reinforce a thing I've been banging on about for the last couple years, which is that logi is killing eve. The winners have all the fun because they're owning everything and can't die, they've got god-mode on in a pvp game without cheating. The losers have very little fun because they can't even make a dent in the other guy, they have to run away or just lose all their ships. Even at a NPSI "just for fun" event. This pattern is why people have gotten super risk-adverse even in lowsec T1 frigates, and why 2/3rds of nullsec are members of the imperium. Losing isn't fun anymore.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:09 |
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Reverand maynard posted:Alright, I'll bite. This is why I live in syndicate. 99% of our coalition is loving retarded and need the fc to fly their ships for them.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:12 |
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Klyith posted:Losing isn't fun anymore. Nerf logi
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:12 |
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Quit gettin' mad at video games
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:15 |
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Logo needs a hard cap, only x amount of reps before stacking penalties make them worthless.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:16 |
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Pookum posted:Quit gettin' mad at video games Cmon, half the fun of Eve is the nerd slapfights
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:20 |
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CashEnsign posted:Logo needs a hard cap, only x amount of reps before stacking penalties make them worthless. Delete logi ships, skills and remote repairs all together. Refund SP and make all tanks buffer or local rep. If 50 guys face 100 guys then the larger fleet will leave the field short 30 or so ships instead of fights being win all versus lose all.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:20 |
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Since bombers need to get even better than they already are
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:22 |
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Zephyrine posted:Delete logi ships, skills and remote repairs all together. Refund SP and make all tanks buffer or local rep. Instead of getting rid of them, change them to all buffs similar to tracking links. So you can link 2-5 combat ships with different buffs. Some could help increase local tanks on target ships to a point. Others to help damage application. Believe it or not some people like playing direct support roles. I'd be sad if there were no support roles other than offensive.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:23 |
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Numismancer posted:No more discussion of "who did something to offend some kind of sensibility at a Vile Rat memorial op". The idea that people who did not know VR are offering views on what he would or would not enjoy in a blueshoot thunderdome and what is appropriate or not under the circumstances of such an op sends me into an unthinking rage. Is this Martin?
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:28 |
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Klyith posted:After the drama of the last couple pages, MOA has ended up looking like the most chill guys in all of this actually. :/ You'd think it would be a sign that something is wrong when the basic premise of every single fleet doctrine for the last few years has been "blow up the target in 1-2 volleys because killing anything is impossible once reps land" might have been a sign of a fundamental design problem. ...obviously, it became even more fun scaled up to the logical extremes where alpha was no longer a reasonable option.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:29 |
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CashEnsign posted:Is this Martin? Yes, numismancer is the mittani
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:30 |
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Nostalgia4Murder posted:This is why I live in syndicate. 99% of our coalition is loving retarded and need the fc to fly their ships for them. The closer you get to VFK (YA0 nowadays?) the higher pitched everyones' voices get and the more giggling you hear on comms. ----------------
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:30 |
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Reverand maynard posted:hole squad Reverand maynard posted:selective lol
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:35 |
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You don't remember the rigorous application process?
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:38 |
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The problem really is logi when combined with t2/t3/faction BS resists. A celestis gets 565 EHP per second from every exeq repairing it, while a tengu with bonuses gets 2.9k ehp/s for every logi repping it and gets 3.6k ehp/s with overheated hardeners, and that's not even taking into account damage mitigation from its low sig radius. A usual roaming doctrine will do from 200-700 DPS which means that in order to kill a FYF celestis you need 2-3 times more dps ships than they have logi which is easily doable, while you need 16 harpies to counter the reps from one scimitar when shooting a tengu. This is also why taking harpies up against t3s is loving laffo as you just get blasted by medium guns without any hope of doing more than scratching some paint. You're much better off using ewar frigats against t3s instead of harpies as you just don't really do much.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:48 |
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What I mean is that you only get people that want to be there. At the very least they have to actually make it into the hole, which is really easy but it ups the lowest common denominator by quite a bit.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 21:51 |
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hi pooki
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:02 |
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What if resists adversely affected rep amount? Hard to break, hard to fix.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:13 |
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Someone here posted an idea about logi increasing resists rather than directly repping as a balancing fix for large fleets which I really liked but I'm not going to go through 1000+ backposts trying to find it.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:23 |
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We've had a bunch of BLOPs vets say that we should become more ~elite~, because you know how well that worked for the long-term health of BLOPs and TG. He's right about the effort bar, though. Loss of SRP is another consideration.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:23 |
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Everyone just empty quote my post for Eg.Txt. Drama free and informational. Now you can go back to your regularly scheduled poo poo posting
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:25 |
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scandoslav posted:He's right about the effort bar, though. Loss of SRP is another consideration. What I'm saying is we're road warrior madmax viking spartan 300 toughmans because of natural selection, not any of these ~artificial~ vouches.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:34 |
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vyst posted:Everyone just empty quote my post for Eg.Txt. Drama free and informational. Now you can go back to your regularly scheduled poo poo posting
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:34 |
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I like being in GoonWaffe. You guys, FC's, sig/squad leaders, directors of various kinds etc. are doing a fantastic and wonderful job, keeping me entertained when I do log on. Thank you.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:53 |
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vyst posted:Everyone just empty quote my post for Eg.Txt. Drama free and informational. Now you can go back to your regularly scheduled poo poo posting I'd advise you to think very carefully in future before making statements like this in a public forum
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:54 |
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scandoslav posted:What I'm saying is we're road warrior madmax viking spartan 300 toughmans because of natural selection, not any of these ~artificial~ vouches. Anyone can join hole squid (except for karmafleet, they need 2 vouches for some reason or another) and if they don't like it they slowly just disappear, and hole squad just keeps on that real poo poo.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:55 |
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Devilish Ledoux did his black and yellow brawl fleet thing this weekend and while I didn't go due to RL time commitments, however the idea of using cheapo t1 module ships to thunderdome with and not having postmonkeys throwing their turds around about it is about as in the spirit of VR as it gets. Now that the rev kill has been 'd, maybe dudes who want to get mad about not-rules for shootblues events should nut up and get in on a brawler's club match or two. At the very least, no one bringing his event up in the last 5 or 6 pages is a drat shame.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 22:58 |
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orange juche posted:(except for karmafleet, they need 2 vouches for some reason or another) Three months of membership and good standing. I guess uncle pilot really wants them to have a good showing. orange juche posted:and if they don't like it they slowly just disappear, and hole squad just keeps on that real poo poo. I assume some of them are spies who discover that we don't do anything worth reporting, and/or thieves who find out we're poor.
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 23:02 |
dbrb is bad and dumb
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 23:02 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:14 |
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same
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# ? Jun 1, 2015 23:04 |