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Did you never do stuff like elections in primary/intermediate?
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Butt Wizard posted:Did you never do stuff like elections in primary/intermediate? I never had any kind of political class at all. The closest was history covering WW2. I quite literally had no idea how MMP worked until it came up in the news and I looked it up.
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Jun 2, 2015 07:11
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bobbilljim posted:how did these youngsters get onto the Internet's only troll free forum That's what I was just thinking. I'm 39 
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Jun 2, 2015 07:21
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They never taught me about MMP at school either. we didn't have it then
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Jun 2, 2015 07:23
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Butt Wizard posted:Did you never do stuff like elections in primary/intermediate? i remember doing elections in primary but i don't think it was part of the curriculum. dang i thought you were older e marx Kathleen fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 07:25
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They didn't teach us poo poo about local politics in high school, save for the Treaty. Awful lot of yakking about the wars, though.
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Jun 2, 2015 07:58
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Teacher of Social Studies in a secondary school chiming in here: It's actually a required part of the curriculum now, and is generally taught at Level 5 (which is distinct from the NCEA Levels, so please don't confuse the two), which translates to Y10 - which is Form 4 for you old fucks.  http://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/The-New-Zealand-Curriculum/Years-and-curriculum-levels The current NZC states that at Curriculum Level 5, a student must: Understand how systems of government in New Zealand operate and affect people’s lives, and how they compare with another system. Understand how the Treaty of Waitangi is responded to differently by people in different times and places. Understand how cultural interaction impacts on cultures and societies. Understand that people move between places and how this has consequences for the people and the places. Understand how economic decisions impact on people, communities, and nations. Understand how people’s management of resources impacts on environmental and social sustainability. Understand how the ideas and actions of people in the past have had a significant impact on people’s lives. Understand how people seek and have sought economic growth through business, enterprise, and innovation. Understand how people define and seek human rights. http://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/The-New-Zealand-Curriculum/Learning-areas/Social-sciences/Achievement-objectives I mean, it's the first loving achievement objective. Unfortunately, it's not required in Senior Social Studies (which isn't taught in enough schools), but it most definitely is meant to be covered in Junior Social Studies, and it is going to be covered in my Y10 class later this term. Slavvy posted:As far as I can tell, they teach sweet gently caress all. I work with a 19yo who successfully passed year 13. When you say "passed year 13," do you mean "got the 80 required credits" or "got the required credits, with at least 14 credits each from at least 3 UE-approved subjects?" The reason I ask is because those two statements are actually indicative of very different things, even if the person in question has "passed" L3 NCEA in both scenarios. If he passed via Gateway, he could have gotten the required credits to push him over the line while doing the bare minimum in subjects that are predominantly practical like the Tech ones. You friend sounds like the former. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 08:20
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I turned 18 the day before the 2011 election  This seems like a fairly significant drop in the personal popularity stakes; Key hasn't been below 40% since January last year  
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Jun 2, 2015 08:41
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He's a legitimate idiot and incredibly dedicated to lazyness. If there was some way of achieving something in that year for less effort than the proper way, he'd have done it. Assuming you mean 'latter' not 'former', then yes definitely. But shouldn't 'allowed in university' require 'knows how politics work'? Not my friend, good christ.
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Jun 2, 2015 08:46
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Slavvy posted:But shouldn't 'allowed in university' require 'knows how politics work'? Not without tanking the economy of Otago.
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Jun 2, 2015 08:51
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Slavvy posted:He's a legitimate idiot and incredibly dedicated to lazyness. If there was some way of achieving something in that year for less effort than the proper way, he'd have done it. Assuming you mean 'latter' not 'former', then yes definitely. But shouldn't 'allowed in university' require 'knows how politics work'? Did he actually get UE? The Gateway courses usually offer around 40-odd which are added to the student's total around late Term 3, so if he did the bare minimum elsewhere, it's possible for him to pass L3 NCEA. Subjects tend to offer 20~24 credits at each level (the externals are usually worth 4 each) so if he did just 1 or 2 internal assessments for each of his subjects (some of which can offer a fairly substantial amount), then he'd have "passed" by getting the 80+ required, but whether or not he has the 14 each from a minimum of 3 UE-approved subjects is an entirely different matter.
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Jun 2, 2015 08:55
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Yeah he definitely got UE, hence me asking how that is possible and ok considering uni students are the people you want to reach w.r.t. Giving A gently caress About Society.
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Jun 2, 2015 10:16
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The barest of bare minimum would be getting 80 at L1 (20 have to go to L1 literacy and L1 numeracy - 10 credits each), and 80 at L2 (10 of which must go to L2 literacy). At L3, he'd have to basically get 14 credits in 3 UE-approved subjects (here's the list of them), so that would be 2 or 3 internals for each subject and probably an external here or there. It's possible he might have done an Art subject, where they have year-long externals that provide something like 12 credits.
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Jun 2, 2015 10:25
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Vagabundo posted:It's possible he might have done an Art subject, where they have year-long externals that provide something like 12 credits. At level 3 they're worth 14 iirc
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Jun 2, 2015 10:31
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I'd also add that the lack of civics as a requirement at Senior Social Studies and the paucity of schools that actually offer it is an ongoing concern for the teachers of the subject area. That said, the unfortunate reality of it is that most Social Sciences teachers are trained in other disciplines (predominantly History, Geography, Economics and Media Studies, as well as a smattering of Tourism) and there aren't a great deal of Senior Social Studies teachers to begin with. It is something that is offered at Year 10, and there are great resources offered like an election kit that can be acquired from the Election Commission to hold mock elections in class or in year groups in election years, but Y10 is pretty much a nothing year.
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Jun 2, 2015 21:11
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I remember NCEA Social Studies. It was almost entirely focused on Maori history and the Treaty. That would be okay if it was covered in any sort of comprehensive detail, which it never was. If anything, it really watered down and underrepresented the British aggression in terms of things like the Lands Act . My knowledge from high school social studies is "British showed up, signed a treaty with the Maori in 1840, we gave women the vote because we're awesome, cut to now."
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Jun 2, 2015 21:32
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I remember NCEA Social Studies. It was almost entirely focused on Maori history and the Treaty. That would be okay if it was covered in any sort of comprehensive detail, which it never was. If anything, it really watered down and underrepresented the British aggression in terms of things like the Lands Act . My knowledge from high school social studies is "British showed up, signed a treaty with the Maori in 1840, we gave women the vote because we're awesome, cut to now." I remember going into the Lands Act stuff in 7th form but that would have been only because we did the NZ History syllabus instead of Tudor England or whatever the other choice is.
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Jun 2, 2015 22:24
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so many people at uni (Auckland) were as thick as 2 short planks, not least some of the academic staff
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Jun 2, 2015 22:38
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Butt Wizard posted:I remember going into the Lands Act stuff in 7th form but that would have been only because we did the NZ History syllabus instead of Tudor England or whatever the other choice is.
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Jun 2, 2015 23:06
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Vagabundo posted:I'd also add that the lack of civics as a requirement at Senior Social Studies and the paucity of schools that actually offer it is an ongoing concern for the teachers of the subject area. That said, the unfortunate reality of it is that most Social Sciences teachers are trained in other disciplines (predominantly History, Geography, Economics and Media Studies, as well as a smattering of Tourism) and there aren't a great deal of Senior Social Studies teachers to begin with. Add to this^ the fact that the big universities are significantly downsizing the social studies/sciences parts of their education faculties. And the fact that all 8 levels of the social sciences curriculum already fit a single page of the curriculum and that you're really likely to go through school in NZ without being taught all of those achievement objectives... Its not an area of priority for our governments. It wasn't under Labour and National have only doubled down.
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Jun 2, 2015 23:19
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The entire class demanded that we do the Tudor one for our Level 3 history. The teacher ignored us because she understood that it would be important for the middle class white Catholic School kids to learn something about our own goddamn county, no matter how "boring" the kids expect it to be.
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Jun 2, 2015 23:42
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All I remember from NCEA social studies is Maori history / treaty and watching roots...so much watching of roots. Nothing about how the country operates and I still don't really know to this day 
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Jun 2, 2015 23:51
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Yeah, we did the 15th-16th century England one. It was interesting, but I feel like people don't really understand the history of Maori/Pakeha relations and that has a lot of very real knockon effects. There seems to be a general perception from the public that white people showed up, signed a treaty, then some sort of scuffle happened later but it's not a big deal. I don't think teaching about the confiscations, Wi Parata, dawn raids, Bastion Point etc is going to make every racist white kid do a total 180 on the issue, but it couldn't hurt. I've never really understood the England option for Year 13. I mean perhaps back in the day when English History was more widely discussed at Universities than our local history but things have changed in the last 40 years. Do they still allow schools to choose between the two? Just as an aside, I feel I could have turned out a lot worse were it not for two particularly passionate Social Studies/History teachers at Year 10/Year 11 and for having done Early NZ in Year 13. Once you know that stuff, you wonder how anyone can not know it.
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Jun 3, 2015 00:37
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Yeah, poo poo. I ended up covering a condensed version of it in first-year law and that was a real adventure in learning to hate my country and my heritage. It's just case after case of "lol gently caress the mareeys" until you get to maybe the mid 70s, at which point it becomes case after case of furious "gently caress THE MAREEYS" and then you get to the present and everything is still a hosed up mess, and even our ostensibly left-wing party still don't give a poo poo about our indigenous people. I remember Foreshore and Seabed but I was too young to understand it. Looking back, holy poo poo Helen Clarke what the gently caress. Labour are responsible for both the Black Budget and Foreshore and Seabed and I really don't know how to feel about that.
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Jun 3, 2015 00:47
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Butt Wizard posted:I've never really understood the England option for Year 13. I mean perhaps back in the day when English History was more widely discussed at Universities than our local history but things have changed in the last 40 years. Do they still allow schools to choose between the two? I had to do Tudor history in year 13. Neither I nor anyone else was aware of there even being an option but this could be related to our teacher having a gigantic boner for all things british. Related: Gender neutral uniforms. quote:A Ministry of Education suggestion for gender neutral uniforms has been met with a mixed response from principals. I don't normally give a flying gently caress about social justice type stuff but jesus christ. What would suit a girl and a boy? How about pants and a shirt like you'd wear at work.
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Jun 3, 2015 01:39
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Just don't have a loving uniform for fucks sake
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Jun 3, 2015 01:44
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Isn't the only difference currently skirt vs trousers? What an insurmountable challenge.
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Jun 3, 2015 01:45
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Just don't have a loving uniform for fucks sake I think uniforms are necessary to prevent poor kids being made fun of for not having x y z label clothing etc.
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Jun 3, 2015 02:08
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Yeah, poo poo. I ended up covering a condensed version of it in first-year law and that was a real adventure in learning to hate my country and my heritage. It's just case after case of "lol gently caress the mareeys" until you get to maybe the mid 70s, at which point it becomes case after case of furious "gently caress THE MAREEYS" and then you get to the present and everything is still a hosed up mess, and even our ostensibly left-wing party still don't give a poo poo about our indigenous people. I remember Foreshore and Seabed but I was too young to understand it. Looking back, holy poo poo Helen Clarke what the gently caress. The last Labour government was really poo poo on Maori and race relations stuff at an institutional level, but were better indirectly in terms of poverty, health etc. For all their bullshit, this National government have done an excellent job of treaty negotiations (I mean holy poo poo they settled with Tuhoe). But indirectly they disadvantage Maori a lot more
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Jun 3, 2015 02:10
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Journalism is where someone can say "We have a gender neutral option for uniforms - it's not having to wear a uniform for your last year of school" and you just write that poo poo down in your notebook and publish it instead of making fun of them.
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Jun 3, 2015 02:12
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Here's a good post about the issues with Chester Burrows proposed change to abortion law (making it mandatory to inform parents for girls under 16) http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/06/03/the-real-issues-behind-the-parental-consent-debate/
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Jun 3, 2015 02:18
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Even taking into account any flaws in curriculum delivery, "THEY SHOULD TEACH X IN SCHOOLS!" is a cop-out in many cases, when you can use the skills school definitely taught you like reading, comprehension, critical thinking to inform yourself on just about any topic imaginable, like how MMP works, how to fill out a simple IRD form (hint: read the instructions, perform some simple arithmetic), basic NZ history.
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Jun 3, 2015 02:24
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Slavvy posted:I think uniforms are necessary to prevent poor kids being made fun of for not having x y z label clothing etc. except they cost many times more than "label" and last an amazingly short time?
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Jun 3, 2015 02:34
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:except they cost many times more than "label" and last an amazingly short time? I guess things have changed because uniforms used to be a LOT cheaper than buying nice clothes the cool kids wear.
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Jun 3, 2015 04:07
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Just don't have a loving uniform for fucks sake Sometimes it's not really an option available. There is only one school in Auckland with no uniform now (Western Springs), while Albany Senior ended up having to introduce uniforms due to pressure from the community.
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Jun 3, 2015 04:30
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kris_b posted:Even taking into account any flaws in curriculum delivery, "THEY SHOULD TEACH X IN SCHOOLS!" is a cop-out in many cases, when you can use the skills school definitely taught you like reading, comprehension, critical thinking to inform yourself on just about any topic imaginable, like how MMP works, how to fill out a simple IRD form (hint: read the instructions, perform some simple arithmetic), basic NZ history. But teachers don't just sit down in front of the class and say "right were gonna learn about critical thinking today". Comprehension and critical thinking are skills you learn in context, its more that its too easy for teachers to use other contexts
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Jun 3, 2015 05:27
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Vagabundo posted:Sometimes it's not really an option available. I'm suggesting schools stop living in the loving 1900s not that people send their kids to schools without uniforms.
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Jun 3, 2015 05:32
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fong posted:But teachers don't just sit down in front of the class and say "right were gonna learn about critical thinking today". Comprehension and critical thinking are skills you learn in context, its more that its too easy for teachers to use other contexts Yeah this. Vagabundo will surely elaborate on the matter but critical thinking and such is difficult to measure in a tangible way and would require time, resources and leeway to teach that teachers just don't have because they're under enormous pressure just to get everyone past a certain level. Most people seem incapable of critical thinking or comprehending what they're reading if it's more complicated than a magazine article so whatever they're doing isn't working. I've always found it bizarre how arguably the most fundamental and important profession in society is treated like poo poo. Like, teachers are actually making future society out of the kids they teach and somehow this is deemed less financially important than lawyers and poo poo. It's like, CEO's aside, wages usually scale with job responsibility to some extent. Plumbers get paid more than checkout operators, doctors get paid more than plumbers etc because their job is more difficult, entails more responsibility and demands a higher level of don't-gently caress-this-up. Teachers have the most critical profession in the world yet get paid next to nothing and get shat on by basically everyone as a group. IDGI. I can't be the only person to think this way.
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Jun 3, 2015 07:50
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Those who can't do, teach  #hoskins
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bobbilljim posted:so many people at uni (Auckland) were as thick as 2 short planks, not least some of the academic staff Auckland Uni or AUT? Because the exact type of dumbass differs between the two. Also re: Uniforms, I'm fairly certain it's a way for schools to get around being underfunded/greedy fuckers. Havelock North High had the worst loving fashion, though. Maroon wool jumpers and Grey short shorts.
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