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History Comes Inside!: Nov 20, 2004

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# ? Jun 2, 2015 12:11

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# ? May 16, 2024 17:44

dsriggs: May 28, 2012; MONEY FALLS...

...FROM THE SKY...

...WHENEVER HE POSTS!

Ok... but what does your personal have to do with this thread?

:hurr:

# ? Jun 2, 2015 14:24

Danny LaFever: Dec 29, 2008; Grimey Drawer

That man is in the right place to scoop up the ladies who're crushed at a Jhon Cena loss.

# ? Jun 2, 2015 15:30

Sydney Bottocks: Oct 15, 2004; Can't post for 12 days!

What is up with these posts a grown men saying that they love another man

# ? Jun 3, 2015 08:57

Doomsday Jesus: Oct 8, 2004; Doomsday Jesus we need you now.

Sydney Bottocks posted:

What is up with these posts a grown men saying that they love another man

Austin 316 says I just licked your rear end

http://youtu.be/d3HNU66LEy4

# ? Jun 3, 2015 13:42

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

Can anyone tell me what the first sentence of this post has to do with any of the rest of it?

# ? Jun 3, 2015 14:34

super macho dude: Aug 9, 2014

NomDePlume is a national treasure

# ? Jun 3, 2015 14:36

NickRoweFillea: Sep 27, 2012; doin thangs

I love him

# ? Jun 3, 2015 14:54

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

nomdeplume_ is a work

# ? Jun 3, 2015 15:17

Muddy Burphy: Dec 4, 2010; The #RXT REVOLUTION has two words for ya..
SCOOP IT!

he knows...

He could certainly get a gold medal for those mental gymnastics.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 15:18

coconono: Aug 11, 2004; KISS ME KRIS

Vince Russo, a famous wrestling writer, doesn't understand how characters work

http://csrwrestling.com/why-cant-wrestlers-just-act-like-people/

# ? Jun 3, 2015 15:29

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

Speaking of mental gymnastics, this looks like it's a piece from TNAMecca but was actually on the F4W front page.

quote:

ROH, TNA and Destination America: Fact or Fiction

Monday, 01 June 2015 10:31

Submitted by Ben Miller

Oh, what a great time of year. Baseball is in full swing, motion-enabled comics are packing the theaters and middling pro wrestling companies are eating up the news cycles. What does that mean for you, loyal readers? Why, it means that it is time for another edition of Fact or Fiction (a.k.a Coors Light Cold Hard Facts [because Bud Light doesn't pay me]).

The gimmick of "Fact or Fiction" is that I present four straw men statements, and then determine/predict whether the statement is factual or not. The previous Fact or Fiction covered an MMA-related topic, so I wanted the next one to be on wrestling. And boy, oh boy, did the wrestling Gods give us a ridiculous/interesting/ridiculously interesting topic to discuss: ROH, TNA and Destination America.

Fact or Fiction: ROH is now the number two wrestling company in North America

Fiction.

How does one define success in promoting wrestling? TV viewership? Live attendance? Revenues? Profits? Positive cash flow? Awareness in the culture? "Cool" factor? Least risk of going out of business? Arguments can be made for any or all of these metrics. If ROH has a claim on any of the aforementioned success metrics, it is a tenuous claim. My overall promotional rankings would have ROH below number two: 1) WWE, 2) NXT, 3) TNA, 4) ROH.

It should be pointed out that almost nobody in wrestling would consider NXT to not be a part of WWE. WWE corporate funds NXT, WWE PR publicizes NXT and WWE management schedules NXT shows. WWE talent has no ability to field competitive offers from NXT and NXT is not allowed to air on networks that compete with NBC Universal, which has a contract with WWE. From the inside looking out, NXT is part of WWE.

From the outsiders' perspective (aka the fans' perspective), however, NXT is viewed as mostly a separate promotion. NXT runs its own shows. There are numerous fans, myself included, who love watching NXT, but have a hard time stomaching what airs on Raw and Smackdown. And I don't think that WWE's ownership of NXT should disqualify them from being viewed separately.

Even if NXT is not considered a separate promotion from WWE, at best ROH has a tenuous case for number two. ROH may be profitable and a have lower risk of going out of business, but they lag in so far behind in revenues, talent payroll and other areas that ranking them above TNA in overall promotional capacity is a stretch.

Still, though, there are television ratings. Television ratings are a very sexy metric for measuring promotional success in the wrestling world. NXT does not have a rated television product, so they cannot be number two by that metric. TNA has a rated television product, but they will soon fall behind ROH technically.

Fact or Fiction: ROH's television ratings will equal or surpass TNA's.

Fact. (but fictional)

Once ROH begins airing on Destination America, their aggregate viewership in the United States will surpass TNA's. According to Dave Meltzer, ROH was viewed in 350,000 households in Neilsen's top markets over the weekend of May 9-10. At 1.2 to 1.5 viewers per home (a good estimate based on typical pro wrestling viewership), ROH probably drew in the range of 450,000 to 550,000 viewers. That range of viewers is also the range of viewers that TNA gets on Destination America in a typical week for the Wednesday, 9-11 pm (Eastern time) show. So, by adding Destination America and NESN, ROH will draw more total eyeballs each week than TNA.

ROH's impressive viewership numbers, however, are a house of cards. ROH's 350,000 households includes viewership for multiple airings of the same show. (To be fair, TNA's weekly viewership numbers also aggregate audiences from multiple airings.) ROH's show on Sinclair is broadcast on major local television stations, many of them affiliates of NBC, Fox or other large networks. TNA's show airs on a little-known, under-distributed cable/satellite network. The fundamental difference is that almost all of TNA's audience comes from TNA, not the network it airs on. ROH operates with the safety net of popular local television stations that help bring in viewers. On Destination America, ROH will essentially be in TNA's predicament: whatever viewership they draw will be because of them, and them alone.

This whole thing feels like the Delusional Television Ratings Predictions epidemic of 1999 all over again. In 1999, WCW stunk. The Internet wrestling community loved to hate WCW (and for good reason) more than just about anything. By fall of 1999 WCW ratings had sunk to right around the 2.0 mark. Also in fall of 1999, TNN (now Spike TV) agreed to begin airing ECW's weekly TV show.

WCW sucked, and it drew a 2.0. Good wrestling, like Raw and mid-90's WCW, drew way above a 2.0. ECW had a good wrestling product on a relatively well known network. 2.0 was seen (by some Delusional Televisions Ratings Prediction sufferers) as a realistic possibility for ECW's debut rating.

In reality, what happened in 1999 vis-a-vis television ratings ended up being one of the sad, sad stories in modern pro wrestling history. TNN bigwigs started to believe the Internet hype, and were hoping for a debut that would rival WCW's 2.0 ratings. Word leaked out on the Internet that ECW's debut show on TNN was a barnburner, with WCW signee Raven making a shocking return to win a share of the ECW tag team titles with his long time storyline nemesis, Tommy Dreamer, thus stoking expectations ever higher. Then the show aired, and it looked like it could've been produced by first-year film school students.

After that, the ratings came out and it did a 0.9, well below even the most pessimistic expectations at TNN. (Memories of certain Internet wrestling journalists' literary contortions in attempting to spin the 0.9 as a positive still hold a fond comic place in my heart to this day.) TNN almost immediately lost confidence in the show. ECW petulantly blamed the network. The supposed three-year contract between ECW and TNN ended after less than 60 weeks with ECW's arena and pay-per-view levels lower than before making national television, and with Paul E.'s dream on a clear path to insolvency.

(Oy. What a disaster. Let's hope that ROH and Destination America have a much better marriage than ECW and TNN.)

So, no, it is in fact unlikely that a relatively unknown wrestling promotion with substandard production values is going to draw more viewers on Destination America than an established product with acceptable production values.

Despite ROH's impending lead over TNA in aggregate national viewership, an apples-to-apples comparison of television numbers is almost certain to look bad for ROH. There are also worrying parallels between Destination America’s gambit with ROH and that sad, sad story about ECW on TNN. And that's what leads us into Coors Light Cold Hard Fact number three:

Fact or Fiction: ROH moving to Destination America is a no-lose situation

Fiction.

Read the following, and try to think of where you might have read this before:

In the mid twenty-teens, TNA stunk. The Internet wrestling community loved to hate TNA (and for good reason) more than just about anything. By summer of 2015 TNA viewership had sunk to right around the 300,000 mark. Also in summer of 2015, Destination America agreed to begin airing ROH's weekly TV show. While ROH had begun showing signs of decline from it's peak in the late double-ohs, it was probably still the only thing the Internet wrestling community loved more than hating TNA. TNA sucked, and it drew 300,000 viewers. Good wrestling draws way above 300,000 viewers. Even the very first episode of TNA on Destination America drew decisively more than 300,000 viewers. And ROH has a good wrestling product on the same network.

Got the answer? Give up? That was a condensed version of the ECW/TNN debacle of 1999, with a few substitutions made. I took out WCW for TNA, ECW for ROH, TNN for Destination America and 2.0 ratings for 300,000 viewers.

Most likely ROH's relationship with Destination America is going to be less of a mess than ECW's relationship was with TNN, but it is far from a no-lose situation. Destination America execs could freak out when they see ROH's amateurish lighting and presentation. TNA's ratings from 9-11 pm Eastern Time could double or triple ROH's ratings in the eight o'clock hour. ROH's viewership could be good enough for Destination America to choose them over TNA in September, but only if ROH gets Sinclair to spend more money on production. (Something that Sinclair is unlikely to do.) Jeff Jarrett could swoop in and make a deal to replace ROH in December. None of those things would be good for ROH. All of those things would likely have a chilling effect on locker room morale and possibly lead to bigger problems in the future.

Adding ROH to the schedule is also far from a no-lose for Destination America. Unless ROH has made an astonishing leap in production quality in one week, Destination America is about to air a television program that looks like it came straight from a student film festival. Ad buyers -- who are the people who really run the television business -- might notice that. If the ad buyers who had already been avoiding TNA see that the added wrestling product looks rinky-dink, they may start to wonder if Destination America is a network that is advertiser-friendly.

But at least Destination America heeded advertisers in canceling TNA, right?...

Fact or Fiction: iMPACT Wrestling will no longer air on Destination America after September.

Fact. (But it's close.)

It seems very unlikely that TNA is going to be on Destination America past September. The move to make ROH's weekly TV into a lead-in for iMPACT appears to be one last chance for TNA. If Internet hype and a wrestling lead-in and maybe a little bit fresher product can't boost TNA's viewership over these last few months, then what would? In September Destination America would be able to cancel TNA with a strong feeling that the network gave the best effort they could at making iMPACT a success.

The problem is that ROH is fool's gold as a lead-in. Yes, it's wrestling. But it's wrestling that has never had a national television presence, that features (talented, enjoyable-to-watch, friendly people, but) relative unknown talent on a show that will instantly be among the most cheap-looking in all of prime time cable television. So, it's unlikely that the ROH lead-in will boost TNA's ratings to a level that would ensure iMPACT's survival into autumn.

There is, however, a more morose scenario that could keep iMPACT on Destination America: ROH's viewership could be so ugly that it makes TNA look good by comparison. On Destination America, a network which appears to have never had a single hour of prime time television make the top 100 in daily cable/satellite TV ratings, ROH's viewership could be downright miniscule. Sinclair claims that ROH draws around 500,000 viewers per week. That is viewership on over-the-air television stations, some of which air hit shows from NBC, Fox and other networks that draw over ten million viewers per week, nationally.

Now ROH is on a cable/satellite television network that has no signature shows, 60% distribution and a name that the average ardent television watcher is unfamiliar with. In short, an ROH number in the five figures is quite possible. In fact, if you asked me whether I thought ROH would beat UFC Tonight on Fox Sports 1 (which drew 85,000 viewers this week in the time slot that ROH is going to be in) head-to-head, I think I would say, "no".

A five-figure viewership number for ROH would be bad for ROH and Destination America, but it would not guarantee TNA's survival on the network. And ultimately, I do think that TNA will be off Destination America after September. I think that TNA's best chance is the possibility that the ROH lead-in will boost TNA's viewership enough to make the network reconsider. I think that ROH will flop, and then the network will look elsewhere for what it perceives to be red-state programming.

*****

This is all very negative. ROH's ratings are going to be awful, the move to Destination America could hurt the company and those events still won't keep TNA on the network and in a solid number two position. Those are the Coors Light Cold Hard Facts, as I see them.

There is also hope. Some other company (one with a higher quality production) could emerge. TNA could view these events as a warning sign, switch to a fresher product and find a different network. And, of course, there's NXT (and PWG for us Los Angeles area wrestling fans). As long as NXT keeps producing killer shows in a style that is different from WWE, I'm happy to have them as (what I would consider) the USA's number two wrestling promotion for English-speaking audiences.

This is sub-Sack level analysis right here.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 16:16

Abrasive Obelisk: May 2, 2013; ~~I joined th~~
ROVPACK IN THE HOOUUUUSE!

he still knows...

TNA has not sold a ticket in this entire year. Attendance doesn't matter to them.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 16:25

Blast Fantasto: Sep 18, 2007; USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

flashy_mcflash posted:

Speaking of mental gymnastics, this looks like it's a piece from TNAMecca but was actually on the F4W front page.

This is sub-Sack level analysis right here.

According to his logic, 10 years ago the #1 promotion was Raw and the #2 promotion was Smackdown.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 16:57

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

Blast Fantasto posted:

According to his logic, 10 years ago the #1 promotion was Raw and the #2 promotion was Smackdown.

Ben 'Nom De Plume' Miller posted:

How does one define success in promoting wrestling? TV viewership? Live attendance? Revenues? Profits? Positive cash flow? Awareness in the culture? "Cool" factor? Least risk of going out of business? Arguments can be made for any or all of these metrics. If ROH has a claim on any of the aforementioned success metrics, it is a tenuous claim.

The only metric here that TNA can claim a win on is 'Awareness' after being on Spike for years. Outside of that it's ROH hands down, except for the nebulous and worthless 'Cool Factor'.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 16:59

SamuraiFoochs: Jan 16, 2007; Grimey Drawer

Junpei Hyde posted:

Nah.

Crow Foochs.

I'm down.

(No beef with you though rov)

Also God bless NomDePlume.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:03

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

Someone on The Board did a surgical takedown of the article

mattb425 posted:

ben_miller posted:
The absolute best was rovert getting pissed on Twitter because Christopher Cruise agrees with me and loved the column.

Oh, and I have yet to read one BOARD comment that refutes (using logic, that is) anything at all that I stated in the column.

Bye now!

First off I just want to say I didn't think your writing was bad, just that you were very wrong. So, here we go. I will be quoting directly from the article posted here: http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/104-ring-of-honor/42838-fact-or-fiction-roh-tna-and-destination-america

ben_miller posted:
Fact or Fiction: ROH is now the number two wrestling company in North America: Fiction

First off let's rule out NXT as a singular promotion. While you point out some fans may view it that way, it is in fact not. WWE owns NXT and does not view it as competitive promotion. Paul Levesque has been quoted that he wants NXT to be a "full touring brand". The word brand implies it would have a similar status as Smackdown did as a separate entity, but still a member of the WWE family. So, that leaves us with ROH and TNA as the largest singular promotions in the United States that aren't WWE.

ben_miller posted:
Even if NXT is not considered a separate promotion from WWE, at best ROH has a tenuous case for number two.

Let's use the guidelines you use in the article to see where TNA and ROH match up:

�TV viewership: To quote the June 1 2015 Wrestling Observer Newsletter: "With its syndicated package, Destination America and NESN, ROH will clearly be the No. 2 wrestling company in the U.S. as far as exposure goes". Winner: ROH
�Live attendance: I'm not sure how to fairly compare this since TNA doesn't even have a show that doesn't have free entry until September 17th in York, PA. But here's a simple example, Impact Wrestling is shot on Soundstage 20 at Univseral Studios Florida which has a capacity of 1,100. Of course, none of these fans paid. The most recent ROH tapings in Toronto were reported in the Observer as a sellout with 1,500 fans having paid. Winner: ROH
�Revenue: There is no way to know each company's total revenue. We do know that ROH has far more sources of revenue and is more successful on PPV, but without having seen both their tax returns it is hard for me to place a victor. Winner: Tie
�Profits: Forgetting that TNA has a recent history of being untimely in paying their employees, Dave Meltzer has said numerous times that TNA in its entire history was only profitable for a short period. Ring of Honor by just not running at a loss wins this one. Winner: ROH
�Positive cash flow: For the same reason as above. Winner: ROH
�Awareness in the culture: TNA was on Spike television for years which was enormously bigger than ROH's deal with HDNet. TNA has more than five times the amount of Twitter followers than ROH. Winner: TNA
�"Cool" factor: This is subjective so I will omit it.
�Least risk of going out of business: Being that ROH is having growth and TNA is losing its only television deal in the United States in September the victor here seems clear. Winner: ROH

If you tally that up it is 5-1-1 in favor or ROH. Even with that, you still say that ROH's claim as #2 is still "tenuous".

ben_miller posted:
Fact or Fiction: ROH's television ratings will equal or surpass TNA's: Fact. (but fictional)

ben_miller posted:
The fundamental difference is that almost all of TNA's audience comes from TNA, not the network it airs on. ROH operates with the safety net of popular local television stations that help bring in viewers.

This argument may be true, but you have zero evidence of this when TNA has been unable to convert their loyal audience into any sort of profitability. If ROH TV viewers are mostly channel surfers it hasn't hurt them, as they have sold more tickets this year alone than TNA has in the past 5 years.

ben_miller posted:
This whole thing feels like the Delusional Television Ratings Predictions epidemic of 1999 all over again. In 1999, WCW stunk. The Internet wrestling community loved to hate WCW (and for good reason) more than just about anything. By fall of 1999 WCW ratings had sunk to right around the 2.0 mark. Also in fall of 1999, TNN (now Spike TV) agreed to begin airing ECW's weekly TV show.

These two deals, ECW on TNN and ROH on DA, do not compare. ECW's deal with TNN was not to syndicate ECW's already recorded shows. If you remember TNN was upset with ECW because they were not getting more original programming. As you state, TNN had high expectations for ECW and expected it to be on par with other major wrestling shows. ROH's deal with Destination America is for syndicating a show they are already producing. DA should know exactly what to expect because they can already see the show now. Whether DA expects ROH to get the same rating as TNA, I do not know, but I doubt it.

ben_miller posted:
So, no, it is in fact unlikely that a relatively unknown wrestling promotion with substandard production values is going to draw more viewers on Destination America than an established product with acceptable production values.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTDI73nhM-U[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqLxo1ZhH8[/youtube]

While TNA is a bit better, they are not worlds apart. No one would watch TNA and think they are on some other level than ROH like they would watching Raw.

ben_miller posted:
Fact or Fiction: ROH moving to Destination America is a no-lose situation: Fiction

ben_miller posted:
Read the following, and try to think of where you might have read this before:

In the mid twenty-teens, TNA stunk. The Internet wrestling community loved to hate TNA (and for good reason) more than just about anything. By summer of 2015 TNA viewership had sunk to right around the 300,000 mark. Also in summer of 2015, Destination America agreed to begin airing ROH's weekly TV show. While ROH had begun showing signs of decline from it's peak in the late double-ohs, it was probably still the only thing the Internet wrestling community loved more than hating TNA. TNA sucked, and it drew 300,000 viewers. Good wrestling draws way above 300,000 viewers. Even the very first episode of TNA on Destination America drew decisively more than 300,000 viewers. And ROH has a good wrestling product on the same network.

Got the answer? Give up? That was a condensed version of the ECW/TNN debacle of 1999, with a few substitutions made. I took out WCW for TNA, ECW for ROH, TNN for Destination America and 2.0 ratings for 300,000 viewers.

Once again, the comparison with ECW just does not work. ROH has NOT been showing signs of decline since 2005. Joe Koff stated on the Greg DeMarco show on May 28 2015 that ROH is selling more than three times the amount of tickets than they did when SBG first bought ROH and are now running more than 40 live events a year. Not only that, but they are now running shows on PPV which they never did before. ROH, right now today, is doing more business than in any time in their history.

In 2015 "good wrestling" can draw well below 300,000 viewers. Just look at Lucha Underground which has had many episodes run below 300,000 viewers. If ROH gets below 300,000 viewers no one is going to think it is a massive failure.

ben_miller posted:
Destination America execs could freak out when they see ROH's amateurish lighting and presentation.
How is this even possible when they can already see the exact episode that is going to air tomorrow? There are no surprises here like there was for TNN. Joe Koff isn't going to pull the episode and send in a crappy compilation tape.

ben_miller posted:
ROH's viewership could be good enough for Destination America to choose them over TNA in September, but only if ROH gets Sinclair to spend more money on production. (Something that Sinclair is unlikely to do.) Jeff Jarrett could swoop in and make a deal to replace ROH in December. None of those things would be good for ROH. All of those things would likely have a chilling effect on locker room morale and possibly lead to bigger problems in the future.

So you are suggesting that DA only brought in ROH with the explicit agreement that they would have to increase their production values. There is no evidence of this. Outside of your opinion that ROH not continuing with DA would be bad on locker room morale, it is a no lose for ROH. If DA doesn't continue with ROH then on 12/2/15 Ring of Honor would be in the exact same position they were on 6/2/2015, except with months of exposure on a cable network.

ben_miller posted:
Adding ROH to the schedule is also far from a no-lose for Destination America. Unless ROH has made an astonishing leap in production quality in one week, Destination America is about to air a television program that looks like it came straight from a student film festival. Ad buyers -- who are the people who really run the television business -- might notice that. If the ad buyers who had already been avoiding TNA see that the added wrestling product looks rinky-dink, they may start to wonder if Destination America is a network that is advertiser-friendly.

DA obviously wants pro-wrestling on their network. I do not know what they are paying ROH, but I am certain it is far, far, less than whatever they are paying TNA. Destination America is having trouble selling ads on ANY of their shows. Just last night I watched one of their reality shows and it only had advertisements for other Discovery Network shows. And once again, Destination America knows exactly the product they are getting into with ROH. Because it is a syndication deal they can already see the episode long before it airs.

ben_miller posted:
Fact or Fiction: iMPACT Wrestling will no longer air on Destination America after September: Fact. (But it's close.)

ben_miller posted:
The problem is that ROH is fool's gold as a lead-in. Yes, it's wrestling. But it's wrestling that has never had a national television presence, that features (talented, enjoyable-to-watch, friendly people, but) relative unknown talent on a show that will instantly be among the most cheap-looking in all of prime time cable television.

"Relative unknown talent." Relative to...TNA? I'm pretty sure TNA fans would know the Young Bucks, Chris Sabin, Jay Lethal, AJ Styles, Frankie Kazarian, Nigel McGuiness, Christopher Daniels, and Samoa Joe. They may even recognize Kevin Kelly, Matt Sydal, Maria Kannelis, and Alberto El Patron from WWE.

ben_miller posted:
There is, however, a more morose scenario that could keep iMPACT on Destination America: ROH's viewership could be so ugly that it makes TNA look good by comparison.

What you believe may be an awful rating for ROH may not be awful to DA considering the low financial risk they are taking on. And so what if ROH's "bad" ratings make TNA look more like a major league promotion? As far as we know TNA is already cancelled with the ratings they are getting now. I cannot see how ROH looking worse in comparison to TNA would somehow convince DA to keep TNA on the air. Destination America is under no requirement to have pro-wrestling on their station. They could just cancel them both.

ben_miller posted:
This is all very negative. ROH's ratings are going to be awful, the move to Destination America could hurt the company and those events still won't keep TNA on the network and in a solid number two position. Those are the Coors Light Cold Hard Facts, as I see them.

These are not facts. These are opinions and conjecture.

To which Alvarez responded:

then Miller proceeded to melt down

ben_miller posted:

If someone wants to write a response, then write a response. Chopping up a column and responding piece by piece is cowardly and weak.

ben_miller posted:

It's cowardly and weak. Respond with an independent, well reasoned piece. The next time the Wall Street Journal picks apart a New York Times Op-Ed in fractured quotes, let me know. Until then, it's a classless move and I'll continue to ignore whatever he wrote.

ben_miller posted:

I honestly could not tell you what the long, cowardly response contained. The "5-1-1" caught my eye, so I thought "how is that even possible"? Much of that section was ludicrous, but the coup de grace was the revenue "Tie". I'd be embarrassed if I ever wrote anything that could so easily and obviously be refuted with obvious facts.

ben_miller posted:

You People don't know that I accepted an offer to work for the Torch fourteen years ago? When I told Dave that WrestleLine looked like a sinking ship (NOT AT ALL LIKE ROH RIGHT GUYS RIGHT?) and that I was going to work for Wade, he made me the offer to write in the Observer. Wade got so pissed that he never spoke (it was all via email, so technically not "spoke") to me again and he made sure to attempt to bury the first position I ever took in an Observer website column.

My point is, that I wouldn't write for the Torch if you paid me Charles M. Blow's salary.

flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jun 3, 2015

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:07

CobiWann: Oct 21, 2009; Have fun!

I want to say ben_miller has drunk the TNA Kool-Aid long and deep, but can TNA even afford Kool-Aid right now?

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:18

bobkatt013: Oct 8, 2006; Youâre telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

CobiWann posted:

I want to say ben_miller has drunk the TNA Kool-Aid long and deep, but can TNA even afford Kool-Aid right now?

They have flavor aid

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:20

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

What the poo poo is up with the F4W front page

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:21

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

"Responding to each of my points point by point is cowardly and weak".

Amazing.

Also capitalised "You People".

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:23

Discount Trombones: Jan 22, 2014

Gonzo McFee posted:

Also capitalised "You People".

That's what happens when you're raised by wrestling TV.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:24

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

I want to meet some of this idiot's friends that doesn't know that NXT is owned by WWE. I guess the constant commercials for Raw or the WWE logos everywhere, including the SEVEN(!!) WWE logos on the NXT belt didn't register.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:25

Muddy Burphy: Dec 4, 2010; The #RXT REVOLUTION has two words for ya..
SCOOP IT!

he knows...

Good heavens

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:27

BigRed0427: Mar 23, 2007; There's no one I'd rather be than me.

coconono posted:

Vince Russo, a famous wrestling writer, doesn't understand how characters work

http://csrwrestling.com/why-cant-wrestlers-just-act-like-people/

He KIND of has a point about Ownes, but I will take what he has to say seriously when he can prove he can actually write.

Also, Game of Thrones proves that "Shades of grey" Storytelling only goes so far before it gets annoying.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:29

LanceBurrito: Jan 6, 2013

bobkatt013 posted:

They have flavor aid

Or those Jugs you'd find at a Costco or something.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:32

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Gonzo McFee posted:

Also capitalised "You People".

This immediately stood out to me as well haha. What a promo!

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:35

bobkatt013: Oct 8, 2006; Youâre telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

LanceBurrito posted:

Or those Jugs you'd find at a Costco or something.

Costco is too good for them. They prefer Jonestown.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 17:56

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

flashy_mcflash posted:

The only metric here that TNA can claim a win on is 'Awareness' after being on Spike for years. Outside of that it's ROH hands down, except for the nebulous and worthless 'Cool Factor'.

ROH is cooler than TNA

oatgan fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 3, 2015

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:09

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

TNA is far cooler than ROH and I Ben Miller am the right man to judge this.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 18:12

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

oatgan posted:

ROH is cooler than TNA

Pfft. Wake me when they get a ref cam.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:43

NickRoweFillea: Sep 27, 2012; doin thangs

so many woooooooords

# ? Jun 3, 2015 19:46

rovert: Jun 10, 2013

On Sunday before that article and before the PPV Ben Miller thought that Owens might have thought about staying in NXT. You know instead of wrestling a PPV programme with Cena, providing for his family, fulfilling his son's wish etc.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:22

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

rovert posted:

On Sunday before that article and before the PPV Ben Miller thought that Owens might have thought about staying in NXT. You know instead of wrestling a PPV programme with Cena, providing for his family, fulfilling his son's wish etc.

Just to be clear, are you saying you knew Ben Miller was a shitlord two weeks ago?

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:30

coconono: Aug 11, 2004; KISS ME KRIS

TNA is cooler than ROH because they said the N Word on television and no one cared. that's how cool they are.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:33

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

TNA is cooler than ROH because they have many lucrative television deals in hot markets like Guam

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:35

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

TNA is cooler than ROH because they revolutionized lovely lighting to hide barren crowds and innovated the wrestling commentary game by providing tremendous insight and analysis from a hotel broom closet.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:56

Skinty McEdger: Mar 9, 2008; I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

TNA is cooler than ROH because they have made way for Bullseye marathons without warning before showing their respect and love of 80's British quiz shows and Bulls.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:58

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

TNA is cooler than ROH in that it's not a hot promotion.

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:59

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# ? May 16, 2024 17:44

Joey McChrist: Aug 8, 2005

If ~~peeing your pants~~ running this shithole company into the ground is cool, then consider me ~~Miles Davis~~ Dixie Carter

# ? Jun 3, 2015 20:59

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