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Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This only applies to people who give money to candidates. A little less than 10% of Americans have ever given to a political campaign. It's usually around 3% of the total population per election cycle. It is entirely possible for IT and Engineering to be mostly libertarians, but the donations lean Democratic.

Is there some basis for the theory that Libertarians specifically are less likely to donate to political campaigns than others in the same profession? (bearing in mind that Rand/Ron Paul are Republicans and donations to their campaign would be counted as such)

10% is a pretty great sample size unless there's some reason to assume they're unrepresentative of their profession.

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HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Samurai Sanders posted:

Law enforcement is way closer to 50/50 than I thought. Probation officers are way blue, I guess because their branch of police work is about actually helping people?

Probation officers don't come through the police academy. The field also attracts persons with social work degrees, which traditional policing does not.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Family Values posted:

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

While all the branches of the US military are conservative leanining, I'd also like to point out that the Navy is the most liberal. :smug:

(The Air Force, though? Holy gently caress. Really? :stare: I'd expect that from the Marines just based on "OOH RAH!" jingoism, but not the Chair Force.)

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 3, 2015

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

AlternateNu posted:

While all the branches of the US military are conservative leanining, I'd also like to point out that the Navy is the most liberal. :smug:

(The Air Force, though? Holy gently caress. Really? :stare: )

Isn't the airforce have a huge fundamentalist/evangelical component?

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

I read wiki leaks is offering a 100 bounty for the release of tpp. That's got to be illegal, right?

Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

AlternateNu posted:

While all the branches of the US military are conservative leanining, I'd also like to point out that the Navy is the most liberal. :smug:

(The Air Force, though? Holy gently caress. Really? :stare: )

Hahah yea the Air Force is hilariously evangelical at the top and libertarian in the enlisted ranks.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

GlyphGryph posted:

Isn't the airforce have a huge fundamentalist/evangelical component?

Yeah Colorado Springs or where ever is pretty much the Air Force academy surrounded by one big mega church.

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science

Ron Jeremy posted:

I read wiki leaks is offering a 100 bounty for the release of tpp. That's got to be illegal, right?

More illegal than leaking classified documents in the first place?

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Internet Webguy posted:

More illegal than leaking classified documents in the first place?

Yeah it would be more illegal I think? You're not a whistleblower if you're doing it for financial gain, you're just committing espionage at that point.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-red-cross-raised-half-a-billion-dollars-for-haiti-and-built-6-homes

I gave $5 to the Red Cross for Katrina thinking it had done some good when I was 17, and found out later it pretty much didn't, and now it appears Haiti donations helped erase a $200 million deficit within the Red Cross, as DWB had ceased accepting donations for Haiti, after it had raised enough money.

gently caress companies for only promoting the Red Cross when doing donations for disaster, and crisis relief. I long ago decided to give to Doctors Without Borders, above the Red Cross.

Nonsense fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jun 3, 2015

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

AlternateNu posted:

While all the branches of the US military are conservative leanining, I'd also like to point out that the Navy is the most liberal. :smug:

(The Air Force, though? Holy gently caress. Really? :stare: I'd expect that from the Marines just based on "OOH RAH!" jingoism, but not the Chair Force.)

The Air Force is significantly more white than the Army. And the Navy. And the Marine Corps.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Internet Webguy posted:

More illegal than leaking classified documents in the first place?

Differently illegal, although TPP is probably not classified but instead is just confidential.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Also the AirForce Academy in Colorado had a huge fundie influence thing going there, so many of the officers are evangelical.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

xrunner posted:

Probation officers don't come through the police academy. The field also attracts persons with social work degrees, which traditional policing does not.
Ah, that makes sense. My brother is a social worker; I'll have to ask him if he knows any probation officers.

Here's an idea: burn down the police academy and replace all cops with social workers.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Family Values posted:

Yeah it would be more illegal I think? You're not a whistleblower if you're doing it for financial gain, you're just committing espionage at that point.

Is paid international corporate espionage actually illegal? Like has been mentioned, the details of the TPP aren't actually classified to my knowledge.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

xrunner posted:

Probation officers don't come through the police academy. The field also attracts persons with social work degrees, which traditional policing does not.

Eh. A number of graduates from the program I work in (Criminology) set out to be police officers but ended up being probation officers.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
CNN is on the case. "THE NEW THREAT FROM ISIS: ENCRYPTED COMMUNICATIONS"

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The most Democratic professions are Yoga Instructor, Union Organizer, and Environmentalist.

The most Republican professions are Farmer and Oil Company Employee.

Sometimes stereotypes are true.

Don't forget Astrophysicist for most Dem!

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

GlyphGryph posted:

Is paid international corporate espionage actually illegal? Like has been mentioned, the details of the TPP aren't actually classified to my knowledge.

Yes, theft of IP is a crime. They take it very seriously because the victims are so likable with brand management strategies and all.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Eh. A number of graduates from the program I work in (Criminology) set out to be police officers but ended up being probation officers.

No doubt. I think criminal justice and social work are the two most common degrees in that field. But contrast that with policing, where you won't find the mix.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The most Democratic professions are Yoga Instructor, Union Organizer, and Environmentalist.

The most Republican professions are Farmer and Oil Company Employee.

Sometimes stereotypes are true.

I wonder how many of those "Yoga instructors" are basically unemployed or nominally self-employed.

karlor
Apr 15, 2014

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College Slice

Family Values posted:

Here's an interesting visualization of the political leanings of various professions (based on campaign contributions):

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/index.html

(I'd like to point out that engineering and IT lean Democratic)

The first several pairings (flight attendant v pilot, bartender v beer wholesaler, taxi driver v truck driver) give the impression that people lean dem the more they actually have to deal with other people. It'd be interesting to see a study that compares political leaning to the number of different people one interacts with professionally.

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day, "Leave the science to the scientists." ~ Rick Santorum, to Pope Francis. Incidentally, the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry.

From the sidebar: 30 percent of Americans have had an alcohol-use disorder

quote:

Have you experienced a strong need—or urge—to drink?

This loving thread :cheers:

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Nonsense posted:

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-red-cross-raised-half-a-billion-dollars-for-haiti-and-built-6-homes

I gave $5 to the Red Cross for Katrina thinking it had done some good when I was 17, and found out later it pretty much didn't, and now it appears Haiti donations helped erase a $200 million deficit within the Red Cross, as DWB had ceased accepting donations for Haiti, after it had raised enough money.

gently caress companies for only promoting the Red Cross when doing donations for disaster, and crisis relief. I long ago decided to give to Doctors Without Borders, above the Red Cross.

The Red Cross is also unable to do anything resembling sound financial planning because people lose their poo poo when their dollar doesn't go to the over-funded cause that inspired them to donate.

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

Apparently the FBI has been spying on us from the air using manned, light airplanes disguised as belonging to fictitious companies and carrying cameras and cell-phone spying equipment. For quite a while, in fact. Apparently the crazy conspiracy nuts on reddit and 4chan figured this out a while ago.

Check out the lovely job the Feds did in trying to cover their tracks!

I haven't seen much buzz on this story today. For some reason I have a feeling people would be in hysterics if we found out they were using unmanned drones rather than Cessnas to do the exact same thing.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

xrunner posted:

No doubt. I think criminal justice and social work are the two most common degrees in that field. But contrast that with policing, where you won't find the mix.

Well, I'd argue that Criminology and Criminal Justice are different things, but yeah. You're not going to see a lot of social work majors go into policing.

Jackson Taus
Oct 19, 2011

Family Values posted:

Is there some basis for the theory that Libertarians specifically are less likely to donate to political campaigns than others in the same profession? (bearing in mind that Rand/Ron Paul are Republicans and donations to their campaign would be counted as such)

10% is a pretty great sample size unless there's some reason to assume they're unrepresentative of their profession.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to suggest that donors might be unrepresentative. For instance, donors would probably tend to have more money than non-donors and are probably more politically active. And as an additional confounder there tend to be more liberal causes and candidates than libertarian causes.

Mitt Romney
Nov 9, 2005
dumb and bad

Rhesus Pieces posted:

Apparently the FBI has been spying on us from the air using manned, light airplanes disguised as belonging to fictitious companies and carrying cameras and cell-phone spying equipment. For quite a while, in fact. Apparently the crazy conspiracy nuts on reddit and 4chan figured this out a while ago.

Check out the lovely job the Feds did in trying to cover their tracks!

I haven't seen much buzz on this story today. For some reason I have a feeling people would be in hysterics if we found out they were using unmanned drones rather than Cessnas to do the exact same thing.

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS is possibly already being used in war zones so it's just a matter of time before it gets to domestic law enforcement.

Summary: Law enforcement will have the ability to record very high quality footage 24/7 from the air and rewind it to any point in history. Some of their latest testing gives 1 drone per 140 km^2

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Family Values posted:

Is there some basis for the theory that Libertarians specifically are less likely to donate to political campaigns than others in the same profession? (bearing in mind that Rand/Ron Paul are Republicans and donations to their campaign would be counted as such)

10% is a pretty great sample size unless there's some reason to assume they're unrepresentative of their profession.

Either Libertarians weren't included in the data set or I'm missing the row of people who listed Captain of Industry as their profession.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
A time traveling camera?! loving cool!

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

Mitt Romney posted:

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARGUS-IS is possibly already being used in war zones so it's just a matter of time before it gets to domestic law enforcement.

Summary: Law enforcement will have the ability to record very high quality footage 24/7 from the air and rewind it to any point in history. Some of their latest testing gives 1 drone per 140 km^2

quote:

ARGUS is an advanced camera system that uses hundreds of cellphone cameras in a mosaic to video and auto-track every moving object within a 36 square mile area.[1]

So basically this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6cv0KsTTfY

Edit: it's already being used domestically :stare:

quote:

ARGUS is only one form of Wide Area Persistent Surveillance. Other WAPS systems are already being used for domestic law enforcement[6] across the USA including Persistent Surveillance[7] in Dayton, Ohio,[8] Vigilant Stare [9] as well as Pixia’s[10] Hiper Stare.[11] While the government has not admitted to deploying ARGUS over the USA, it has shown video in which ARGUS was used within the United States. A variety of privacy advocacy groups including the ACLU[12] and [13] Teame Zazzu[14] have worked to bring the domestic deployments of ARGUS and other WAPS systems into the public debate.

Traffic cameras, which were meant to help enforce traffic laws at intersections, have also sparked some controversy, due to their use by law enforcement agencies for purposes unrelated to traffic violations. These cameras also work as transit choke-points that allow individuals inside the vehicle to be positively identified and license plate data to be collected and time stamped for cross reference with airborne Wide Area Persistent Surveillance Systems used by police.[15]

Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jun 3, 2015

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx
That's why I bang with the curtains open.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Munkeymon posted:

The Red Cross is also unable to do anything resembling sound financial planning because people lose their poo poo when their dollar doesn't go to the over-funded cause that inspired them to donate.

Didn't congress pass a law in the wake of 9/11 that made charities have to spend donated money on the cause it was donated to if it was specified? Which all it resulted in was situations like this because they'd rather spend the extra money on lesser known issues.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



duz posted:

Didn't congress pass a law in the wake of 9/11 that made charities have to spend donated money on the cause it was donated to if it was specified? Which all it resulted in was situations like this because they'd rather spend the extra money on lesser known issues.

I know there was an investigation but I'm not sure if it resulted in a law to that effect. They might have just promised to waste money in the future to make people stop whining.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Evil Fluffy posted:


Most Evangelicals aren't going to care if they're excommunicated from the Catholic church any more than a Protestant would. In this case it'd only increase the rift the religious right wing has with Francis since he's very much against their prosperity gospel bullshit and Santorum would immediately use such an act to paint himself as a martyr against the socialist pope.

True fact the prosperity gospel theology is widely considered a heresy...

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Jack2142 posted:

True fact the prosperity gospel theology is widely considered a heresy...

So is liberation theology, more's the pity.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Lemniscate Blue posted:

So is liberation theology, more's the pity.

Although I think it is accepted by the Catholic Church since I learned about in my theology classes at a Catholic University. If the Catholics were willing to improve their stance on gay rights/abortion they probably would be considered fairly left leaning.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

I thought it was the American Catholics who were for the evangelical prosperity gospel bullshit, not Catholics in general.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Jack2142 posted:

Although I think it is accepted by the Catholic Church since I learned about in my theology classes at a Catholic University. If the Catholics were willing to improve their stance on gay rights/abortion they probably would be considered fairly left leaning.

It's accepted to the extent that it does not portray Jesus as a Marxist revolutionary.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Remember the guy who organized the Phoenix draw Muhammed event?

Anti-Muslim Activist Who Tried To Raise $10M: 'Hackers Have Ruined My Life!'

quote:

The anti-Muslim activist in Arizona who apparently tried to raise $10 million this week after organizing a protest outside a Phoenix mosque said on Tuesday that he's been the victim of hackers who "have ruined my life."

Jon Ritzheimer posted a video to Facebook in which he lamented how complicated his life had become since the mosque protest on Friday. He also made a reference to what he said were "fake" accounts that hackers set up on the crowdfunding website GoFundMe, the same site that briefly hosted the $10 million campaign.

“Hackers have ruined my life,”
Ritzheimer said on the video, in which he was shirtless and prominently showing off a red-white-and-blue chest tattoo with the words "Hard Knock Life."

“They’ve made fake Facebook accounts, fake GoFundMe accounts, fake — just all kinds of stuff," he said. "They’ve exposed my social. They’ve exposed everything about me, credit cards — you name it. They’re playing dirty.”


quote:

I've malnutritioned (sic) myself,” Ritzheimer said. “It’s killing me. I hate seeing my family going through this distress. It’s killing them. They just want their normal lives back. You know, this whole thing did blow up in my face — I was ill-prepared. And the media is one, they’re the reasons (sic) for all this. They’ve taken it and they have twisted it and they have put lies. It’s ridiculous.”

Ritzheimer said he believed he was going to die at the rally.

“I went there that night with a gun on my hip, fully thinking that I was going to die, that a terrorist was going to try to kill me for exercising my First Amendment,” he said.

Ritzheimer also addressed criticism he said he’d received from fellow Marines for comments he'd made saying he was going into hiding.

“I’ll admit that was a piss-poor choice of words on my part,” Ritzheimer said. “It would better be described that I’m taking cover right now during a verbal fire fight. But you can bet I’m gonna be returning fire. I am a pissed off loving Marine.”

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day, "Leave the science to the scientists." ~ Rick Santorum, to Pope Francis. Incidentally, the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry.

What a snob.

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