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Kurtofan posted:No wonder France was backing Blatter. *and Beregovoy committed suicide in 1993..
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I don't know what anybody expected. These are not hardened criminals or even Wall Street types. They are just a bunch of hacks used to living the good life.
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Jun 3, 2015 22:16
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Toplowtech posted:
with two bullets in the head. edit: it wasn't France that bribed him, but Morocco: 
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Jun 3, 2015 22:17
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Interesting twist: the 1998 bribes Blazer is talking about came from Morocco, not France. So, either Morocco couldn't find enough corrupt FIFA voters, or France quietly out-bid them.
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Jun 3, 2015 22:22
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Kurtofan posted:with two bullets in the head.
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Jun 3, 2015 22:26
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Northjayhawk posted:Interesting twist: the 1998 bribes Blazer is talking about came from Morocco, not France. So, either Morocco couldn't find enough corrupt FIFA voters, or France quietly out-bid them.
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Jun 3, 2015 22:26
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These guys are going to fold like a house of cards. A snarling US attorney waves 10 years under the nose of a 60-ish football executive and tells him that either he rolls or he's going to die a penniless ex-con? Those people are going to offer up everyone that they know. If I were Blatter I might be seriously considering suicide.
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Jun 3, 2015 22:48
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Zeroisanumber posted:These guys are going to fold like a house of cards. A snarling US attorney waves 10 years under the nose of a 60-ish football executive and tells him that either he rolls or he's going to die a penniless ex-con? Those people are going to offer up everyone that they know.
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Jun 3, 2015 22:52
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Vladimir Putin posted:I don't know what anybody expected. These are not hardened criminals or even Wall Street types. They are just a bunch of hacks used to living the good life. That's the best part, and what makes this extra hilarious.
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Jun 3, 2015 23:45
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Xenomrph posted:That's the best part, and what makes this extra hilarious. Still hard to beat how Warner used a Onion article as evidence for the US conspiracy theory. Also claimed he had a medical emergency when he got indicted but a day later was dancing wildly at a political rally.
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Jun 3, 2015 23:58
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massively organised sports are always corrupt - there's no reason to doubt that 1998 or 1994 were exempt from corruption some bribes and stuff must be accepted. the problem comes when kickbacks are the only reason things happen, like 2022
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Jun 4, 2015 00:47
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Vladimir Putin posted:I don't know what anybody expected. These are not hardened criminals or even Wall Street types. They are just a bunch of hacks used to living the good life. More than a few people in the TRP thread were making such claims. Along with failing to understand just how powerful RICO is.
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Jun 4, 2015 00:59
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V. Illych L. posted:massively organised sports are always corrupt - there's no reason to doubt that 1998 or 1994 were exempt from corruption Countries like Qatar also sent economic aid to the Caribbean bloc to round up some extra votes.
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Jun 4, 2015 01:01
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Jack Warner has released a video claiming, among other things, that FIFA influenced the 2010 Trinidadian elections. If that's actually the case, this rabbit hole's going to the center of the Earth. Edit: More from The Guardian Posture Pal fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Jun 4, 2015 04:35
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Zeroisanumber posted:These guys are going to fold like a house of cards. A snarling US attorney waves 10 years under the nose of a 60-ish football executive and tells him that either he rolls or he's going to die a penniless ex-con? Those people are going to offer up everyone that they know. Sepp announces his life long dream of joining ISIS and blowing up FIFA HQ. Posture Pal posted:Jack Warner has released a video claiming, among other things, that FIFA influenced the 2010 Trinidadian elections. If that's actually the case, this rabbit hole's going to the center of the Earth. Okay now it's getting interesting. It's gonna be hilarious if FIFA somehow was propping up all the corrupt Caribbean countries. That's the USA's job! 
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Jun 4, 2015 05:02
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Hey now, they also have the Olympics votes to sell, Whaling Commission votes to sell, basically anything they don't give a drat about. And if they ever got super desperate they could always agree to recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia- thats big bucks.
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Jun 4, 2015 05:08
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Posture Pal posted:Jack Warner has released a video claiming, among other things, that FIFA influenced the 2010 Trinidadian elections. If that's actually the case, this rabbit hole's going to the center of the Earth. Goddamn. I thought the show would be watching how many buckets Blatter could fill with his own fear sweat. But, no, Jack Warner's the man to watch in horrified fascination. First the whole "Oh, I'm feeling sick/severe exhaustion!" card to get out of jail and go party. Then displaying an inability to tell the difference between the norm of what happens in the organization he used to work in/control and an Onion article. And now this? 
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axeil posted:Okay now it's getting interesting. It's gonna be hilarious if FIFA somehow was propping up all the corrupt Caribbean countries. That's the USA's job! RICO and treading on the Monroe Doctrine? That's a whoopin'.
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Jun 4, 2015 06:48
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What are the odds Sepp sees the inside of a jail? He's clearly the target here and he went from "I am the once and future king" to "I will be remembered for more reforms up to my imminent resignation" in, like, a weekend so obviously he got scared
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Jun 4, 2015 06:50
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Zeitgueist posted:What are the odds Sepp sees the inside of a jail? He's clearly the target here and he went from "I am the once and future king" to "I will be remembered for more reforms up to my imminent resignation" in, like, a weekend so obviously he got scared At this point it's completely dependent on if he can successfully sneak out of Switzerland or eats a bullet.
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Jun 4, 2015 06:54
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Alkydere posted:Goddamn. I thought the show would be watching how many buckets Blatter could fill with his own fear sweat. But, no, Jack Warner's the man to watch in horrified fascination. First the whole "Oh, I'm feeling sick/severe exhaustion!" card to get out of jail and go party. Then displaying an inability to tell the difference between the norm of what happens in the organization he used to work in/control and an Onion article. And now this? I am seriously torn as to whether to believe Jack Warner's story. On the one hand, Jack Warner is demonstrably an idiot, which undermines his credibility, and in addition, rigging the Trinidadian election is going rather far out of its way for FIFA for rather limited ends. On the other hand, at this point, there's nothing I'd put past FIFA, so I think it's quite possible this is true.
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Jun 4, 2015 06:56
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On one hand, why would you need to rig the Trinidadian election? On the other hand, you could probably do it with a particularly high quality ham sandwich as the payment, so why not?
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Jun 4, 2015 07:05
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:On one hand, why would you need to rig the Trinidadian election? On the other hand, you could probably do it with a particularly high quality ham sandwich as the payment, so why not? They signed a death warrant for thousands when they gave the 2022 Cup to Qatar, what's a bit of Caribbean election fraud compared to that?
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Jun 4, 2015 07:19
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I wouldn't particularly put it past them, but how do you even manage to kill 4,000 workers while building facilities? Unless the construction sites literally involve chunks of cement being flung by trebuchets, that is far too high a number for workplace casualties. Even if you don't give a poo poo about safety, you can't kill that many people and build a stadium at the same time. What are the actual causes of death?
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Jun 4, 2015 08:02
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:On one hand, why would you need to rig the Trinidadian election? On the other hand, you could probably do it with a particularly high quality ham sandwich as the payment, so why not? Could it have simply been a personal thing for Jack Warner since he's from there? I have absolutely no idea why FIFA as an organisation would benefit from it.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:02
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tirinal posted:I wouldn't particularly put it past them, but how do you even manage to kill 4,000 workers while building facilities? Unless the construction sites literally involve chunks of cement being flung by trebuchets, that is far too high a number for workplace casualties. Even if you don't give a poo poo about safety, you can't kill that many people and build a stadium at the same time. Heat stoke and dehydration probably, with the occasional heavy machinery accident to spice things up
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Jun 4, 2015 08:11
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tirinal posted:What are the actual causes of death? quote:The Nepalese foreign employment promotion board said 157 of its workers in Qatar had died between January and mid-November this year – 67 of sudden cardiac arrest and eight of heart attacks. Thirty-four deaths were recorded as workplace accidents.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:17
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I wonder how the death rated in Qatar compare to the Panama Canal.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:22
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Qatar is pushing back on the numbers that 4,000 deaths in 1,5 million people in two years is normal. And as much as it pains me to agree with them they are correct. A similar number of US men between 20 and 40 would have more deaths from accidents, disease and suicide.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:26
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Are the 4000 deaths from workers on the stadium projects or from labor in Qatar in general?
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Jun 4, 2015 08:29
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Bip Roberts posted:I wonder how the death rated in Qatar compare to the Panama Canal. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Jun 4, 2015 08:37
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Toplowtech posted:Well, they aren't building the stadium into a malaria filled swamp, are they? Pretty sure the Suez canal was bad too. The Panama Canal company was insanely corrupt. I wonder how many people will die for the Nicaragua canal. Well looking it up for the US years when yellow fever was relatively under controll there were ~5000 deaths over about 10 years. Almost 30,000 people died during the French years. Nevertheless, these are both completely insane, and depending of the active worker pool that go into the Qatar deaths it might be comparable.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:44
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Deaths due to the Panama canal or the Suez canal are really bad and wrong, but at the end they did at least lead to lasting infrastructure with massive global benefits. Qatar is building some stadiums that will be used for like 3 weeks and then be abandoned. That poo poo is hardly worth a torn fingernail.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:47
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Orange Devil posted:Deaths due to the Panama canal or the Suez canal are really bad and wrong, but at the end they did least to lasting infrastructure with massive global benefits. Qatar is building some stadiums that will be used for like 3 weeks and then be abandoned. That poo poo is hardly worth a torn fingernail.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:56
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CeeJee posted:Qatar is pushing back on the numbers that 4,000 deaths in 1,5 million people in two years is normal. And as much as it pains me to agree with them they are correct. A similar number of US men between 20 and 40 would have more deaths from accidents, disease and suicide. I thought the 4000 figure was what was widely expected to be the total after all the construction has happened. 4000 people haven't died building the stadiums. Well not yet anyway.
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Jun 4, 2015 09:35
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Raskolnikov38 posted:At this point it's completely dependent on if he can successfully sneak out of Switzerland or eats a bullet. He's a rich old white man. He'll get a doctor to cite some health reasons and he'll get the Berlusconi treatment. It's still a marked improvement to what I was expecting a week ago, to be fair.
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Jun 4, 2015 10:14
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serious gaylord posted:I thought the 4000 figure was what was widely expected to be the total after all the construction has happened. To get to 4000 from where it's currently at we're looking at an average of a death and some change per day.
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Jun 4, 2015 10:33
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Antti posted:He's a rich old white man. He'll get a doctor to cite some health reasons and he'll get the Berlusconi treatment. RICO is specifically designed to give rich old white men life sentences. It's an absolute screaming monster of a law.
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Jun 4, 2015 10:55
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Part of me is worried super loving excited that somehow, all of the FIFA execs are going to start talking, and this thing is going to spawn revelations that no one expected and have huge over-the-top ramifications. Like, every elected european official has been bribed and every CEO of every major sponsor has been personally bribed. I know it won't be that crazy, but imagine the chaos of every few days, a new elected official or board member getting arrested 
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Theres quite a few people tugging on shirt collars at Visa and Budweiser HQ's right now.
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