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Skwirl posted:You have a very funny definition of friendly. It will be okay if your name is Chaz. However, if its not hope you have fun in hell!
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bobkatt013 posted:It will be okay if your name is Chaz. Define "ok". Chaz did end up loving an underage girl and beating his wife to a pulp due to John.
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Jun 3, 2015 16:46
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Lurdiak posted:Define "ok". Chaz did end up loving an underage girl and beating his wife to a pulp due to John. Not being tortured in hell for the rest of eternity.
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Jun 3, 2015 16:47
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bobkatt013 posted:Not being tortured in hell for the rest of eternity. If that's your standard for "being ok" you should consider a career in politics.
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Jun 3, 2015 16:48
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Lurdiak posted:If that's your standard for "being ok" you should consider a career in politics. Its okay when it comes to being John's friend.
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Jun 3, 2015 16:51
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CzarChasm posted:I like it. I mean really, if there was ever a character who didn't need a secret identity, it's probably Superman. Even protecting your loved ones is not a great reason for a secret identity. Police, the Judicial System, Politicians and a whole host of other professions exist where loved ones might be put at risk due to their association with someone who upsets a powerful criminal, etc. Batman gets to keep his connection to Bruce Wayne's associates secret, but what about the Gordon family?
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Jun 3, 2015 19:18
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Keeshhound posted:Even protecting your loved ones is not a great reason for a secret identity. Police, the Judicial System, Politicians and a whole host of other professions exist where loved ones might be put at risk due to their association with someone who upsets a powerful criminal, etc. Batman is doing a lot more to attract crazy people that Gordon is. You're right, though. The secret identity isn't for criminals, it's to not have the Law or Government stop you from breaking the law by being a vigilante.
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Jun 3, 2015 19:31
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Superman: Secret Identity was pretty good at explaining why someone might need...well a secret identity. Mostly due to the government might wanting to own/operate/control the most powerful being on earth and not let him have a life of his own.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:07
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Keeshhound posted:Batman gets to keep his connection to Bruce Wayne's associates secret, but what about the Gordon family? Well, prior to the reboot the Joker murdered his wife and crippled his daughter so that's a pretty good argument in favor of secret identities.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:07
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ImpAtom posted:Well, prior to the reboot the Joker murdered his wife and crippled his daughter so that's a pretty good argument in favor of secret identities. I think that technically still happened in the reboot, Barbra just got better.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:10
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ImpAtom posted:Well, prior to the reboot the Joker murdered his wife and crippled his daughter so that's a pretty good argument in favor of secret identities. His wife died because she was doing her job as a cop. The fact she was married to Gordon had nothing to do with it.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:23
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ImpAtom posted:Well, prior to the reboot the Joker murdered his wife and crippled his daughter so that's a pretty good argument in favor of secret identities. And a secret identity is only good until the writer can't think of a better way to introduce more drama and has the villain figure it out anyway so they can murder someone important to the hero in some grisly manner anyway. I guess my thoughts on the matter are just that if you're really adopting a secret identity for the sake of your loved ones, you should just bite the bullet and work with the government to get them into witness protection or something. Drifter posted:The secret identity isn't for criminals, it's to not have the Law or Government stop you from breaking the law by being a vigilante. This is really the problem I have with secret identities; it feels less like a precaution for other's safety, and more like trying to avoid having any kind of oversight.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:28
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Keeshhound posted:This is really the problem I have with secret identities; it feels less like a precaution for other's safety, and more like trying to avoid having any kind of oversight.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:29
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Keeshhound posted:This is really the problem I have with secret identities; it feels less like a precaution for other's safety, and more like trying to avoid having any kind of oversight. Imagine how boring comics would be if the first half dozen issues of each street-level origin story was about the 'hero' going to various EMT and firefighting, criminal psychology, and state law classes. The cosmic heroes can do what they want. You don't need to learn how to put out a fire when you can wish the flames away with a giant green fan.
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Jun 3, 2015 20:44
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Drifter posted:Imagine how boring comics would be if the first half dozen issues of each street-level origin story was about the 'hero' going to various EMT and firefighting, criminal psychology, and state law classes. Oh, come on; you could totally spin that into an on the job training deal with the mentor who will inevitably turn out to be evil. I will say I came down on secret identities harder than I meant to. I don't think they should never be used in a story, I'd just like to see the theme get shaken up a little more often. For all the mutants who have to be rescued from mobs of bigots and relocated to Professor Xavier's Paramilitary Training Program, I'd like to see the occasional kid with super strength and weird eyes who gets born into a town where the people around them are understanding and supportive and they wind up in some kind of police internship or something. Like, as a one-shot. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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Jun 3, 2015 21:01
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Drifter posted:Imagine how boring comics would be if the first half dozen issues of each street-level origin story was about the 'hero' going to various EMT and firefighting, criminal psychology, and state law classes. I think there's a wealth of potential story arcs in that concept. How many stories can you set in a high school or a university or a law firm or a detective agency or an emergency ward or a fire station without the characters being superheroes in training? Every single one of those concepts is multiple television shows. I'd have so much more respect for a superhero who knows what they're doing because they sat down and studied.
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Jun 3, 2015 21:33
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I loved the parts of Hawkeye where Clint was hanging out with Grills and being "Hawkguy".
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Jun 3, 2015 21:56
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Drifter posted:Batman is doing a lot more to attract crazy people that Gordon is. You're right, though. It's a hard thing to write about too because vigilantes are awful. 99% of the time vigilantes are just violent assholes. It makes it difficult to write reasonable justification for a lot of secret identities. Alien racism is a pretty good reason though.
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You want a reasonable justification for a Secret Identity? Someone who doesn't want to be a super hero 100% of the time. If you want to be allowed try and live a life that involves being a normal person (or even just to avoid the media/celebrity worship) a secret ID makes sense. Like Superman says in the Animated Series, "I can't be Superman all the time. I'd go mad. "
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Keeshhound posted:This is really the problem I have with secret identities; it feels less like a precaution for other's safety, and more like trying to avoid having any kind of oversight. That is entirely depending on the hero in question. Becoming a superhero means becoming something "more" then human in more ways then one. All superheroes answer to whatever ideal that they stand for, and whether they work with established authority or not is apart of that. Having a secret identity just makes that into a plot point. Not having it turns a "super-hero" into just a "hero". The Question IRL posted:You want a reasonable justification for a Secret Identity? This too. Being a soldier is just a job but being "Soldier-Man" is naturally a bigger part of your identity. Kinda like a celebrity. Hellbunny fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jun 3, 2015 |
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Jun 3, 2015 23:33
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Why do letterers always put a 'wink' sound effect when someone's winking? Like, we'd think that lady just had something in her eye, not hitting on Clark if it wasn't there?
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The Question IRL posted:You want a reasonable justification for a Secret Identity? This actually is the real legit reason, at least for Superman. He doesn't like the idea of being the perfect hero and idol to millions 24-7, and being just plain Clark lets him relax, while also being able to connect with others in a way Superman can't. Batman does it because the mystique and mystery behind The Batman is an essential part of his crime fighting method. Spiderman lives with a 1000 year old lady and also is poor and relatively weak compared to most of his enemies so for him it's at least a definite survival thing, same for Daredevil.
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Jun 4, 2015 04:58
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redbackground posted:Now if we can get The Protomen to do the opening theme while The Megas rock out over the end credits... obviously this would be the opening for the Japanese dub; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqFsp0-l3es
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Wapole Languray posted:Spiderman lives with a 1000 year old lady and also is poor and relatively weak compared to most of his enemies What'd you say about Aunt May??? 
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Uthor posted:What'd you say about Aunt May??? Best Aunt May moment ever(at least for 616 derived versions of her)
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drrockso20 posted:Best Aunt May moment ever(at least for 616 derived versions of her) 616 May is alright, but Ultimate May is amazing. That woman is tough as nails.
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My favorite classic Mega man boss is Burner Man, who was told by Wily the he must burn down a forest a day or he'll auto deactivate.
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Jun 4, 2015 07:19
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Say what you will about JMS being a lovely writer but he wrote the hell out of the issue where Aunt May finds out Peter is Spider-Man.
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Jun 4, 2015 12:40
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I have very few problems with JMS' Spider-man run. I'll take Sins Past over whatever Dan Slott is doing right now.
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muscles like this? posted:Say what you will about JMS being a lovely writer but he wrote the hell out of the issue where Aunt May finds out Peter is Spider-Man. Seriously he married some of the better aspects of Ultimate May with 616's long-term characterization and managed to make her respectable, strong, and even modern in her way without losing sight of her prior characterization. By contrast that stupid Chameleon page features an Aunt May who stepped right out of the 1950s.
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muscles like this? posted:Say what you will about JMS being a lovely writer but he wrote the hell out of the issue where Aunt May finds out Peter is Spider-Man. I love that scene where she writes an angry letter to Jameson cancelling her subscription to the Bugle because of how biased their reporting of Peter is.
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Jun 4, 2015 14:25
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Ultimate may>actress may>normal may
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ConfusedUs posted:I loved the parts of Hawkeye where Clint was hanging out with Grills and being "Hawkguy". Speaking of, did the last issue every ever come out?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Speaking of, did the last issue every ever come out? Nope July right now
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Speaking of, did the last issue every ever come out?
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ConfusedUs posted:616 May is alright, but Ultimate May is amazing. That woman is tough as nails. Ultimate May pulls a .357 on Osborne and Brock, I don't think you can get tougher then that.
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I never understood why Aunt May was so drat old. I mean she was his Aunt right? Not his grandmas, she should be 30 odd years older than him not 60. God there was this awesome edit in the Newspaper comics thread of Spider-Man shaking Aunt May because she was going to marry Mole Man and her neck snaps. Hilarious.
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bobkatt013 posted:Ultimate may>actress may>normal may Trouble May > All
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And here I was thinking the whole point of Aunt May was that she was at deaths door all the time.
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Duke Igthorn posted:I never understood why Aunt May was so drat old. I mean she was his Aunt right? Not his grandmas, she should be 30 odd years older than him not 60. Uncle Ben married to an older woman?  Aunt May isn't related to Peter, and it's not actually THAT uncommon to be significantly older then your youngest sibling, especially in older times. If Uncle Ben was like 18 when Richard Parker was born...Lurdiak posted:I have very few problems with JMS' Spider-man run. I'll take Sins Past over whatever Dan Slott is doing right now. Maybe it's nostalgia considering that his Spider-Man was what I grew up with, but beyond Sins Past and the 9/11 issue I thought JMS's Spider-Man is by far among the best depiction of the character. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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