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also, someone poo poo in the 3D printer and now it's just printing 💩 over and over
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Luigi Thirty posted:also, someone poo poo in the 3D printer and now it's just printing 💩 over and over im the 3d printer
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:SENTIENT DOOR this was a good thread
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Serious question. How does a doocracy deal with the obvious degenerate "strategy" of someone just doocratically reversing something until the other side/person gets tired and gives up and therefore someone gets what they want regardless of whatever else. Obviously the person cutting speaker wires (for example) or knocking down a shed or tearing down a camera has it easier than whoever is putting it in place / repairing it. Is this kind of 'may the most autistic/obsessive win' a feature, not a bug? Because it seems as though they don't actually deal with such situations (not that it doesn't happen, more that everyone just sort of looks the other way on it when it does)
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The Ghost Writer posted:Serious question. How does a doocracy deal with the obvious degenerate "strategy" of someone just doocratically reversing something until the other side/person gets tired and gives up and therefore someone gets what they want regardless of whatever else. Obviously the person cutting speaker wires (for example) or knocking down a shed or tearing down a camera has it easier than whoever is putting it in place / repairing it. 'be excellent to each other' but in reality The Ghost Writer posted:'may the most autistic/obsessive win'
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The Ghost Writer posted:Serious question. How does a doocracy deal with the obvious degenerate "strategy" of someone just doocratically reversing something until the other side/person gets tired and gives up and therefore someone gets what they want regardless of whatever else. they whine about it on the mailing list for six months
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The Ghost Writer posted:Serious question. How does a doocracy deal with the obvious degenerate "strategy" of someone just doocratically reversing something until the other side/person gets tired and gives up and therefore someone gets what they want regardless of whatever else. Obviously the person cutting speaker wires (for example) or knocking down a shed or tearing down a camera has it easier than whoever is putting it in place / repairing it. since they operate on consensus they'd view the process as being biased against somebody getting their way to do something as a feature, not a bug any one person can indefinitely veto anything, because that is a sensible and well thought out way to run anything
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The Ghost Writer posted:Serious question. How does a doocracy deal
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ayn rand hand job posted:this was a good thread thank you
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So where are they getting all their money? I know there were theories that SV companies were donating but what about now
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evilweasel posted:since they operate on consensus they'd view the process as being biased against somebody getting their way to do something as a feature, not a bug i thought consensus had the ability to eventually override a block? like i thought it was less "one person can veto anything indefinitely" and more "one person can force like a couple of weeks to discuss it but after that if everyone else votes in favor it goes through"
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I'm not entirely convinced that the noisebridge reboot wasn't a bloodless coup and the roof is now a hackerspace star chamber
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evilweasel posted:any one person can indefinitely veto anything, because that is a sensible and well thought out way to run anything you see, if one person has a problem with something, it's not a viable option. this ensures that the hackerspace is flawless and perfect at all times.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i thought consensus had the ability to eventually override a block? like i thought it was less "one person can veto anything indefinitely" and more "one person can force like a couple of weeks to discuss it but after that if everyone else votes in favor it goes through" pure consensus model allows for the only way to remove a block is to just hope the guy doesn't stick around.
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Alan Smithee posted:So where are they getting all their money? I know there were theories that SV companies were donating but what about now some big sv companies do donation matching for charitable donations, and nb somehow managed to convince the irs to register them as a 501(c)3 nonprofit, so donations to them qualify as "charitable" under those policies
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i thought consensus had the ability to eventually override a block? like i thought it was less "one person can veto anything indefinitely" and more "one person can force like a couple of weeks to discuss it but after that if everyone else votes in favor it goes through" consensus, as I've actually seen it practiced, allows all viewpoints to be aired and mitigated. it's kinda sloppy and in practice it seems like everyone's repeating the same points in their own ordering until the decision maker just charges ahead
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I think that is what I was really asking: what do they do for (inevitable) conflict resolution. I suspect that if I've been reading this thread then I already know the answer. The whole cultural anarchistic platform itself - at least the parts I read - just kinda never brings it up other than kinda suggesting it'll never happen through the magic of dialogue and a vague exhortation to Be Excellent (excellent being subjective esp when it bumps up against What I Want)
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The Ghost Writer posted:I think that is what I was really asking: what do they do for (inevitable) conflict resolution. I suspect that if I've been reading this thread then I already know the answer. yaeh its anarchy via mailing list until somebody doocratically seizes power and things clean up for 10 femtoseconds but then somebody takes a poo poo on the STOVE
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evilweasel posted:since they operate on consensus they'd view the process as being biased against somebody getting their way to do something as a feature, not a bug well you know if you use the Liberum Veto you get 12,000 free cavalry units but you can only use it once and it kills your stability
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Luigi Thirty posted:well you know if you use the Liberum Veto you get 12,000 free cavalry units but you can only use it once and it kills your stability poland has a long and storied history of effective government that deterred invaders
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eschaton posted:someone biohacked the soldering irons I hope they aren't using them to lance off warts/hemorrhoids etc.
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consensus governance eventually turns into the lunch room at high school despite whatever high-minded ideals you start with the pro way to gently caress with it is to form your clique, let poo poo get awful and untenable to drive people away, rewrite the rules to allow for block overrides then provoke a crisis that attracts a bunch of interest. when everyone comes back your clique works as a voting bloc + "responsible adult syndrome" of being the ones to stick it out which helps get enough of the teeming crowd onto your side, and all y'all override blocks from the crazies then slowly marginalize everyone else until anarchy is crushed under your bootheel
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Main Paineframe posted:pronterface
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uncurable mlady posted:consensus governance eventually turns into the lunch room at high school despite whatever high-minded ideals you start with this would actually be good for noisebridge if it happened instead, the do-ocracy's governance is driven by passive aggressive basement dwellers. they post nasty things to the mailing list and refuse to go to meetings getting this bunch of nerds in agreement long enough to crush anarchy under a bootheel is apparently impossible
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i thought consensus had the ability to eventually override a block? like i thought it was less "one person can veto anything indefinitely" and more "one person can force like a couple of weeks to discuss it but after that if everyone else votes in favor it goes through" also consensus only works when jesus makes the decisions for you http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/
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the real answer is to get in good with whoever manages the money, then unilaterally kick out the crazies and call in some jackbooted thugs to keep them out when they object. it's not a real anarchy, more like an ant farm
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The Ghost Writer posted:I think that is what I was really asking: what do they do for (inevitable) conflict resolution. I suspect that if I've been reading this thread then I already know the answer. they dont make any allowance for conflict resolution because their whole ideology is based around people being beep boop logic robots who are always right. it's assumed that if someone blocks then the problem will always be resolved through peaceful dialogue and compromise, so they dont bother having a way to resolve a block because that would be admitting that people aren't inherently logical and cooperative
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The Ghost Writer posted:Is this kind of 'may the most autistic/obsessive win' a feature, not a bug? Because it seems as though they don't actually deal with such situations (not that it doesn't happen, more that everyone just sort of looks the other way on it when it does) See also: Wikipedia.
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uncurable mlady posted:the pro way to gently caress with it is to form your clique, let poo poo get awful and untenable to drive people away, rewrite the rules to allow for block overrides then provoke a crisis that attracts a bunch of interest. when everyone comes back your clique works as a voting bloc + "responsible adult syndrome" of being the ones to stick it out which helps get enough of the teeming crowd onto your side, and all y'all override blocks from the crazies Jabor posted:the real answer is to get in good with whoever manages the money, then unilaterally kick out the crazies and call in some jackbooted thugs to keep them out when they object. it's not a real anarchy, more like an ant farm
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dookieocracy
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Luigi Thirty posted:well you know if you use the Liberum Veto you get 12,000 free cavalry units but you can only use it once and it kills your stability I didn't know what this means so I Googled it and Wikipedia says: quote:The liberum veto (Latin for "the free veto") was a parliamentary device in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. It was a form of unanimity voting rule that allowed any member of the Sejm (legislature) to force an immediate end to the current session and nullify any legislation that had already been passed at the session by shouting Nie pozwalam! (Polish: "I do not allow!").  I DO NOT CONSENT!
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[quote[ J tman66 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 19:13:29 UTC 2015 Hey everyone, Looking to organize a monthly social gathering with the goal of hackers around the community to get to know each other better and have some fun. Drinking, playing games, silly rants, watching movies, organizing trips to hacker events. I need everyone's help in picking a name, so far these are the ones that I came up with, vote for one or add it if you can think of anything cool to be added to the list. So far I have: a) (G.D.M) Geek Day of the Month b) Return of the Living Hackers: Get out of your hacking catacomb and have some fun c) (B.T.E.C.H) Bill and Ted's Excellent Chaotic Horseplay[/quote]
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d) YOSPOS, BITHC
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(B.T.E.C.H) Bill and Ted's Excellent Chaotic Horseplay (everything about it)
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ayn rand hand job posted:c) (B.T.E.C.H) Bill and Ted's Excellent Chaotic Horseplay more like BLECH 
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Jerry Cotton posted:(B.T.E.C.H) Bill and Ted's Excellent Chaotic Horseplay (everything about it)
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I went to NYC resistor again and they were supes cool. One of them helpfully pointed out the thing I made looked like a pipe bomb and help me make it look like Not That. Also a cute girl gave me her number. Their secret: to become a member, a quorum of members must unanimously approve of the person. Roughly eight non members and yours truly outnumbered members rather steeply, yet none of us poo poo on anything. I know it seems far fetched but this really happened.
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froward posted:I went to NYC resistor again and they were supes cool. But what if someone disagrees? Everything would fall to pieces man!
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