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tooterfish posted:I like that it looks like a White Walker is marching a disobedient wight around at sword point. All I see when I look at that dude is a gigantic wrench in his hands.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:90% of the world building stuff was written by two people who aren't him. Really? Could I get a little more about this, I'd look it up myself but I'm loathe to google anything tangentally related to GoT until we clear spoilerville entirelt.
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Parkingtigers posted:Really? Could I get a little more about this, I'd look it up myself but I'm loathe to google anything tangentally related to GoT until we clear spoilerville entirelt. 90% is a bit much, however two people did write up the huge rear end lore book called A World of Ice and Fire. All of it is GRRM's work given to them to write up so they didn't create almost any of it, only small dumb stuff like naming lords after sesame street characters. You can safely read the book by the way, it contains nothing past Joff's death.
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Jun 5, 2015 15:43
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Yeah its the two people (husband and wife?) who run the Wiki of Ice and Fire. They absolutely despise the show.
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Jun 5, 2015 16:23
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah its the two people (husband and wife?) who run the Wiki of Ice and Fire. They absolutely despise the show. I do wonder how common that trend is. I have yet to run into anyone, personally, that has read the books and doesn't love the show. I imagine there's a fair bit lost from one medium to the next, but I've heard that the show handled the content from the most recent books better than the books did in the first place.
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Jun 5, 2015 16:33
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Bobo the Red posted:It's possible their magic fades in the warmth, hence their general tendency to wait for the depths of Winter. Everyone should just pile into Dorne Isn't there meant to be some uncertainty as to whether they come with the cold, or whether they bring the cold? I vaguely recall Martin saying something yonks ago in an interview about how the planet's weird, inconsistent seasons would have a magical explanation that was important to the plot. I've always sort of thought that maybe the big winters aren't just an opportunity seized by the white walkers - that maybe they're specifically caused by them, so they can push south on a war footing.
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Jun 5, 2015 16:39
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I mean what do what do White Walkers even need to be doing all this for? They seem like dicks.
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Jun 5, 2015 16:47
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Chili posted:I do wonder how common that trend is. I have yet to run into anyone, personally, that has read the books and doesn't love the show. I imagine there's a fair bit lost from one medium to the next, but I've heard that the show handled the content from the most recent books better than the books did in the first place. Most book readers I know prefer the show cos of how much shite has been cut out. And I wouldn't imagine the people who run and write a wiki are too concerned with narrative drive and focus: "Give me more descriptions of food and long discussions about lineage! Give me more meaningless plotlines and meanderings! Give me it all!"
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Jun 5, 2015 16:48
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The show cuts a lot of meandering bullshit out, but that also costs it the perspective you get on how the common people live and things like that, making it a more standard fantasy story about heroes and princesses. Makes sense to focus on faces people can recognize in a TV show, of course. In general, each version is properly built for its own medium.
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Jun 5, 2015 16:53
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These are the sorts of people that have sat through the Lord of the Rings extended edition several times and still get mad the lack of Tom Bombadil
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Jun 5, 2015 16:53
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah its the two people (husband and wife?) who run the Wiki of Ice and Fire. They absolutely despise the show. Surprisingly, these same people made the best defense and explanation I've seen for the Sansa rape scene. Watching their video kind of turned me around on it. Before watching it, I hated it. After, I understood it and no longer see it as bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcnwhMrVJjg&t=61s for the curious. I didn't see any spoilers. They also liked that episode when everyone hated it. some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Jun 5, 2015 17:00
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The World of Ice and Fire book is pretty cool and good, better than most/all non-lotr fantasy background. Even if those wiki people are terrible.
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Jun 5, 2015 17:02
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah its the two people (husband and wife?) who run the Wiki of Ice and Fire. They absolutely despise the show. Spergs gon' sperg... e: yea, that chick got crazy eyes It takes an irrational bias, either against fantasy material in general... or because the show isn't exactly the books... to not like this show. Then again, if they finally made a WoT show I'd be pretty disappointed if it diverged significantly; for reasons not directly related to length, at least. I think I'd still be able to enjoy it thoroughly if it was this good. JainDoh fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Jun 5, 2015 17:03
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hiddenmovement posted:These are the sorts of people that have sat through the Lord of the Rings extended edition several times and still get mad the lack of Tom Bombadil There are always going to be book readers who dislike changes an adaptation makes... doesn't matter if it's Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings or even Jurassic Park. They're a vocal minority... very much in the minority, but also very vocal about it because when nobody listens to you, sometimes your only response is to talk even louder.
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Jun 5, 2015 17:07
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Yeah, as far as I can tell, the differences between the show and the books aren't exactly... Say, Jodorowski's Dune plans completely re-writing its ending in a spectacularly insane way. E: having not read the books, hence my earlier wot reference
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Jun 5, 2015 17:09
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I think the only motivation anyone has in this show is to make people keep watching it. I mean Roose goes through all this bullshit just to end up in Winterfeld with Fat Wanda and nuts as poo poo Ramsey. I mean wtf seems like a lot of effort for a poo poo life no one would want. Take your Wanda silver and move to Bravos.
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Jun 5, 2015 17:10
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I can totally picture Ramsay Bolton and Cersei, in character, thinking "How can I subvert the viewers expectations" in a fourth-wall shattering moment. You make a good point.
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Jun 5, 2015 17:12
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Elephanthead posted:I think the only motivation anyone has in this show is to make people keep watching it. I mean Roose goes through all this bullshit just to end up in Winterfeld with Fat Wanda and nuts as poo poo Ramsey. I mean wtf seems like a lot of effort for a poo poo life no one would want. Take your Wanda silver and move to Bravos. Boltons always played second fiddle to the Starks. Now they are ruling over the Starks capitol. Roose gets off on this poo poo. As lovely a castle as Winterfell is, I'd imagine it beats the Dreadfort.
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Jun 5, 2015 17:14
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Surprisingly, these same people made the best defense and explanation I've seen for the Sansa rape scene. Watching their video kind of turned me around on it. Before watching it, I hated it. After, I understood it and no longer see it as bad. Do you remember around when in the 80 minutes it is? I'm curious but I'm not sure I'm 80 minutes of these people curious edit: found this smaller one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAbwcH1oags Their first complaint bothers me: that they had to jump through all kinds hoops to get Sansa to Winterfell. It's literally her godamn ancestral house that she is the presumptive heir to, it makes all kinds of sense to take her there. Their arguments about the assorted criticisms are solid though (I already agreed with them so it's hard to gauge) Super Ninja Fish posted:The link was supposed to take you to the 61 minute mark. I used #t=61s. It works for me when I click on it. Did it not work for you? Apparently not. I've had issues with it before. Bobo the Red fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Jun 5, 2015 17:22
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Bobo the Red posted:Do you remember around when in the 80 minutes it is? I'm curious but I'm not sure I'm 80 minutes of these people curious The link was supposed to take you to the 61 minute mark. I used #t=61s. It works for me when I click on it. Did it not work for you?
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Guess what the "s" in "#t=61s" stands for. I'll give you a hint: it's not "minutes."
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Sir Kodiak posted:Guess what the "s" in "#t=61s" stands for. I'll give you a hint: it's not "minutes." I swear I typed in 61m into the url. It's being converted to 61s for me. It did it again. Here it is. Take out the period. h.ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcnwhMrVJjg#t=61m Bobo the Red posted:Do you remember around when in the 80 minutes it is? I'm curious but I'm not sure I'm 80 minutes of these people curious You see, I don't like that video as much. That's mostly responding to very weak arguments. On the link above, they talk about it and explain it on it's own merits. some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Jun 5, 2015 18:02
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Super Ninja Fish posted:The link was supposed to take you to the 61 minute mark. I used #t=61s. It works for me when I click on it. Did it not work for you? To link a youtube video at a certain time you can right click on it while you have it paused and select "get url at current time".
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Elephanthead posted:I think the only motivation anyone has in this show is to make people keep watching it. I mean Roose goes through all this bullshit just to end up in Winterfeld with Fat Wanda and nuts as poo poo Ramsey. I mean wtf seems like a lot of effort for a poo poo life no one would want. Take your Wanda silver and move to Bravos. Rewatching seasons 2 and 3 right now, and I think part of it is Roose just strongly dislikes Robb. Ironically Robb's insistence on appearing tough and uncompromising is what lost him his best bannermen. He only knows how to lead by intimidation, like when Grey Wind attacked the Greatjon. Think of the scene where Robb chews out a grieving Edmure for winning a battle. Edmure's whole job was to protect his lands from enemies. His number one duty as Lord of Riverrun in that moment was to get the Mountain off his people's farms, out of their villages. Of course he's not going to sit in the castle unless Robb, you know, loving tells him the plan? Robb sees nothing wrong with his commands and insults and humiliates Edmure without an ounce of understanding or even a "hey, nice battle though, good to have you with us." He's way too focused on looking like a hardass barbarian when in reality most of his men aren't the Greatjon, at least not when their blood isn't up. They want a reasonable leader. That leadership style probably pissed Roose off in a big way.
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Elephanthead posted:I think the only motivation anyone has in this show is to make people keep watching it. I mean Roose goes through all this bullshit just to end up in Winterfeld with Fat Wanda and nuts as poo poo Ramsey. I mean wtf seems like a lot of effort for a poo poo life no one would want. Take your Wanda silver and move to Bravos.
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vintagepurple posted:Rewatching seasons 2 and 3 right now, and I think part of it is Roose just strongly dislikes Robb. The Histories and Lore kinda makes it seem like the Boltons have always resented playing second fiddle to the Starks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ2AeMRt_Q
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Jun 5, 2015 18:52
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Bobo the Red posted:The Histories and Lore kinda makes it seem like the Boltons have always resented playing second fiddle to the Starks That's what the Starks get for not making sure the Boltons had the Content trait.
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Jun 5, 2015 18:56
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Yeah the Boltons basically seem like they've been simmering away for generations, probably having big speeches at dinner at the Dreadfort about the hated Starks and such but life was comfortable enough that they probably would never have moved directly against them until Robb pissed off multiple allies and the Tywin/Frey/Bolton alliance option presented itself.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:13
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The Boltons always struck me as the North's version of "the South shall rise again" types only with Robb alienating all his allies and the Boltons being one of the strongest houses they actually had the chance to do something about it. Can't remember if this might be book info, but isn't the flayed man on the Bolton banner specifically supposed to be a flayed Stark?
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Jun 5, 2015 19:26
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Roose isn't someone who has many emotions or feelings, he simply doesn't give any shits. The only reason he betrayed Robb was because he knew Robb was going to lose, he would have stayed loyal if he thought Robb would win. I don't think Roose is capable of liking or disliking people.
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thebardyspoon posted:Yeah the Boltons basically seem like they've been simmering away for generations, probably having big speeches at dinner at the Dreadfort about the hated Starks and such but life was comfortable enough that they probably would never have moved directly against them until Robb pissed off multiple allies and the Tywin/Frey/Bolton alliance option presented itself. I still can't get beyond the name Dreadfort. The Boltons live in the goddamn Dreadfort. It's like a fort, filled with dread. Where there are banners of a hanging dead guy whose skin was peeled off, who's literally their mascot. When did anyone think these guys were on the level? I can't wait for Winds of Winter, where the Boltons are defeated by House Corpserape. House sigil of a bleeding corpse getting raped. Their words: "we will kill you and rape you." The Tyrells will ally with them and it'll seem like a great idea.
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Xealot posted:I still can't get beyond the name Dreadfort. The Boltons live in the goddamn Dreadfort. It's like a fort, filled with dread. Where there are banners of a hanging dead guy whose skin was peeled off, who's literally their mascot. When did anyone think these guys were on the level? "Who could have guessed Hitlorstalen Corpserape, Lord of Rapekill Mountain would have betrayed us at our most vulnerable?"
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Jun 5, 2015 19:33
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I think Littlefinger could pull it off, calling himself I will fing murder you the first chance I get and still getting allies.
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Xealot posted:I still can't get beyond the name Dreadfort. The Boltons live in the goddamn Dreadfort. It's like a fort, filled with dread. Where there are banners of a hanging dead guy whose skin was peeled off, who's literally their mascot. When did anyone think these guys were on the level? What's funny is that isn't even the original Dreadfort. The original Dreadfort is currently living in luxury off in the Summer Isles, somewhere. According to the GoT Wiki, this is the 5th Dreadfort to use that name. When one Dreadfort is ready to retire, it just takes on all new retainers and the previous one calls the new one "Dreadfort" a few times, and everyone is fooled.
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Xealot posted:I still can't get beyond the name Dreadfort. The Boltons live in the goddamn Dreadfort. It's like a fort, filled with dread. Where there are banners of a hanging dead guy whose skin was peeled off, who's literally their mascot. When did anyone think these guys were on the level? This is a little more muted in the books, where dozens of minor houses have over the top grim sigils, and heavy metal castle names. There's a house in Dorne that live in Hellholt, and another that has a vulture clutching a baby in its talons as their sigil.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:49
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Robb's other vassals were all loud, belligerent vikings constantly threatening to pack up and go home. Roose seemed like the best lieutenant by far. The Boltons seem to be the only house that really challenged the Starks for dominance so I imagine once they bent the knee they became important seconds-in-command by virtue of tactical acumen and prestige. Getting into Roose's head would be awesome, he's really difficult to figure out. Clearly he's ok with some hosed-up poo poo but beyond the freaky hanging-rape we don't know how he compares to Ramsay. He seemed to enjoy Catelyn's finding that chainmail and subsequently stabbing Robb. Also, compared to the "Dreadfort" and the flayed man the Bolton words are pretty lame. "Our knives are sharp." Maarak posted:This is a little more muted in the books, where dozens of minor houses have over the top grim sigils, and heavy metal castle names. There's a house in Dorne that live in Hellholt, and another that has a vulture clutching a baby in its talons as their sigil. There is also House Beesbury of Honeyholt, whose device is black and yellow stripes and whose words are "Beware Our Sting." vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Jun 5, 2015 19:49
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That reminds me that House Tyrell's words are "Growing Strong", which sounds like something you'd find in a rural elementary school's 4H quilting project
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I have this pet theory wherein, after throwing Sansa onto their marriage bed, Ramsay stops. We zoom in on his face and he quietly says to himself, "Holy poo poo. I have done some hosed up poo poo to people." Everything comes rushing in and he asks Sansa to just chill out, he's going to go take a walk. The next morning, at breakfast with Roose he shows up with a posterboard and a bunch of fresh ideas to rebrand the Boltons. "Okay, so, we live in a place called The Dreadfort. It, it just isn't very appealing. And the whole flaying thing? It's not really good governance, y'know. So I'm thinking, let's start with the house words. I've got a few ideas. Number 1: House Bolton: Business in the front, party in the back. No? Okay, not my best. How about, House Bolton: Let's solve problems, together!" Queue title sequence Game of Reasonableness
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Then he asks Reek for some ideas and just gets a thousand-yard stare.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:That reminds me that House Tyrell's words are "Growing Strong", which sounds like something you'd find in a rural elementary school's 4H quilting project When Lady Tyrell mocks her own house's motto compared to others is a pretty good moment.
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