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GlyphGryph posted:... antibiotics explicitly aren't covered by scheduling laws though? He didn't say end all regulation, just abolish the scheduling system. Which certainly has some arguments against it, but this isn't one of them. Oh duh, I guess I misremembered how that regulation works.
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Scheduling is specifically for banning/limiting drugs with the potential to be used/abused recreationally in ways the government doesn't like. Public health regulations around medicine mostly fall under other laws. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 7, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 20:38
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GlyphGryph posted:Scheduling is specifically for banning/limiting drugs with the potential to be used/abused recreationally in ways the government doesn't like. In addition to potential for abuse it limits them based on medicinal usefulness, which pretty much unavoidably results in dog-wagging, as do most laws that assert reality. "No you can't have funding to research this drug because it's schedule one and thus by definition has no legitimate medicinal use." Basically the categories themselves are hosed to the point where even if you think some drugs should remain totally banned you could argue we need to torch the whole system and start over. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 21:11 on May 7, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 21:08
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Blue Footed Booby posted:In addition to potential for abuse it limits them based on medicinal usefulness, which pretty much unavoidably results in dog-wagging, as do most laws that assert reality. "No you can't have funding to research this drug because it's schedule one and thus by definition has no legitimate medicinal use."
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May 7, 2015 22:34
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I frankly don't agree with this - it's being wildly misused re especially the less harmful recreational drugs, but People Are Dumb. The most obvious case where turning everything into over-the-counter would be extremely questionable is antibiotics, because that's one of the cases that goes from "protecting your health from yourself" to "protecting the public health". People are dumb, but the schedulng system introduces criminal sanctions for people who make poor choices with respect to their own substance use. That is wrong.
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May 7, 2015 23:59
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Kind of a fun short quiz on CS Monitor about cannabis history and politics: I got 75%. Tripped up on some stats, and also on the species question. That species question is still a matter of some contention, and I had to second guess what side of the question the test writer fell on. Also messed up on which states allow growing for medical, but that was just my feverish rear end loving up and not paying attention.
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Nonsense posted:It will be interesting to see how the Patrick-Abbot spat will affect this bill. The what?
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Decriminalization passed overwhelmingly in East Lansing on Tuesday, getting over 65% of the votes. If legalization makes it onto the ballot for 2016 it seems like it should pass in Michigan. http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/05/east_lansing_approves_marijuan.html
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I'd love to see some state-level polling on this for likely voters, I have to imagine that with a half-way decent campaign, it would pass in quite a few places.
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May 9, 2015 19:14
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The DEA are recruiting a new chief after Michele Leonhart resigned:
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http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/forfeiture-funds-used-to-oppose-marijuana-legalization-7328613quote:A law-enforcement task force in Yavapai County cut a $50,000 check from RICO funds to a substance-abuse group dedicated to fighting marijuana legalization in Arizona, New Times has learned. It's just "Drug education" guys its not a blatant attempt to push the same bullshit war on drugs rhetoric we've had for decades now  .
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KingEup posted:The DEA are recruiting a new chief after Michele Leonhart resigned: The text in that ad is way smaller than the surrounding ones.
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quote:The appellate court ruled that "if a reasonable person could conclude that the government entity was educating the public on the issues, albeit in a one-side manner, then it has not used public resources to influence the outcome of an election," Brnovich wrote. I... What?
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Frabba posted:http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/forfeiture-funds-used-to-oppose-marijuana-legalization-7328613 For gently caress's sake. I'm absentee, but this is my county, and I thought we were better than that. There's a large pro-cannabis crowd there, so there ought to be some backlash at least.
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May 15, 2015 11:06
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LuciferMorningstar posted:I... What? It's saying you don't have to teach the controversy (to borrow a phrase from the Creationism debate).
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computer parts posted:It's saying you don't have to teach the controversy (to borrow a phrase from the Creationism debate). That may well be what it's saying, but it still doesn't make any sense.
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May 15, 2015 21:40
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LuciferMorningstar posted:That may well be what it's saying, but it still doesn't make any sense. It does if you're a poo poo heel who equates the science supporting legalization to the science supporting creationism...Then yeah, I get what he's saying. We need the cannabis version of the Dover trial to set judges right, I guess?
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quote:The appellate court ruled that "if a reasonable person could conclude that the government entity was educating the public on the issues, albeit in a one-side manner, then it has not used public resources to influence the outcome of an election," Brnovich wrote. I don't suppose one could make a legal case that substantially stretching the truth (without which it's nearly impossible to make marijuana sound like something worth banning) or putting their message in the context of the legalization debate would cause an ad to flunk this "just educating the public" test.
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The problem with that line of thinking is that it asks judges to rule on the merits of scientific claims, which they are not qualified to do.
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KillHour posted:The problem with that line of thinking is that it asks judges to rule on the merits of scientific claims, which they are not qualified to do. That's what expert witnesses are for, yes? I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be the first time the merits of scientific claims have come into question in a court case.
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WaPo has a pretty interesting piece on how weed dealers are making bank in DC's legal gray area: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...bbdd_story.html Totally predictable exchange with Andy Harris: quote:Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), who has led Congress’s charge to thwart the legalization, blamed city leaders, insisting that they should have forbidden possession when he and other lawmakers prevented Washington from creating a controlled marketplace.
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Kevin Sabet continues to be disingenuous:quote:Puerto Rico rejects smoking marijuana for medicinal purposes. Progress! https://uk.news.yahoo.com/puerto-rico-rejects-smoking-marijuana-medicinal-purposes-222700184.html#DFTTTDx … Why is he using Yahoo UK news for his link? Oh, probably because most news sources used a headline something more like "Puerto Rico's governor signs decree to authorize medical marijuana". So PR takes a 20" step forward in legalizing medical marijuana, and Kevvy is crowing because they didn't take a 22" step. Remember that on the very night that DC, Oregon, and Alaska all decided to legalize recreational marijuana, Kevin's biggest news for the night was that a few bumfuck suburban municipalities in CO had banned marijuana retail. The man's sense of scale is unreal.
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Meanwhile, in Illinois http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-illinois-marijuana-decriminalization-met-0522-20150521-story.html quote:The Illinois legislature joined the movement to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of pot, passing a measure Thursday that would bar arrest for the offense. Of special note quote:One little-reported provision of the measure would change the state's zero-tolerance law for driving with marijuana in one's system.
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Frabba posted:Meanwhile, in Illinois What is the THC concentration 24 hours after smoking? Because I know that 25 nanograms is extremely small, and I know that that in drug tests weed is detectable for up to 2 weeks. So that specific quantity could effectively mean that if you've smoked in the past week you are breaking the law. http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdetection.html#blood Looks like Illinois chose a sensible amount. quote:In the case of smoked marijuana, THC peaks rapidly in the first few minutes after inhaling, often to levels above 100 ng/ml in blood plasma. It then declines quickly to single-digit levels within an hour. High THC levels are therefore a good indication that the subject has smoked marijuana recently. THC can remain at low but detectable levels of 1-2 ng/ml for 8 hours or more without any measurable signs of impairment in one-time users ate shit on live tv fucked around with this message at 19:31 on May 22, 2015 |
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Yeah I'm surprised at how sensible that is, it seems to actually be based on science rather than paranoia.
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Yeah that sounds reasonable. Be nice if there were cheap home detectors made too.
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Huh, things getting weirder and weirder. The whole "let the VA recommend weed to vets" thing lost out in the House, but in the Senate it's now been attached to must-pass legislation, so looks like the Senate might push forward a pro-cannabis piece for the first time ever: http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2015/05/historic-vote-senate-appropriations-committee-approves-veterans-medical-marijuana-amend In other topsy-turvy news, the House is pushing the DEA to cut out the red tape slowing down marijuana research. And one of the lawmakers leading the charge is... And Harris? The main dude who's fought tooth-and-nail to keep DC from legalizing is apparently legit in favor of "we need more research". So that's something: http://news.marijuana.com/news/2015/05/lawmakers-press-dea-to-allow-more-marijuana-research/
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MaxxBot posted:Yeah I'm surprised at how sensible that is, it seems to actually be based on science rather than paranoia. I can't find information about saliva, but I assume it decays even quicker given that it is replaced pretty rapidly constantly. Hopefully we don't get to the point where officers are routinely compelling blood from motorists. TapTheForwardAssist posted:Huh, things getting weirder and weirder. Political winds are changing, and he finally got the memo. Good news for the rest of us. ate shit on live tv fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 22, 2015 |
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Powercrazy posted:What is the THC concentration 24 hours after smoking? Because I know that 25 nanograms is extremely small, and I know that that in drug tests weed is detectable for up to 2 weeks. So that specific quantity could effectively mean that if you've smoked in the past week you are breaking the law. Also, these DUI tests are looking for active THC in the bloodstream, the two week window is for urine tests which detect THC metabolites - the inactive compounds which remain in the body after THC is broken down.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:In other topsy-turvy news, the House is pushing the DEA to cut out the red tape slowing down marijuana research. And one of the lawmakers leading the charge is... And Harris? The main dude who's fought tooth-and-nail to keep DC from legalizing is apparently legit in favor of "we need more research". So that's something: http://news.marijuana.com/news/2015/05/lawmakers-press-dea-to-allow-more-marijuana-research/ I'm guessing they're hoping the research will come out such that cannabis is 'very, very bad and naughty indeed, and in one peer reviewed scientific journal, made baby jesus cry in his manger no less than three (3) times.'
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Maryland decriminalized marijuana last year, but due to some loophole somehow didn't legalize paraphernalia. So someone could get caught with a one-hitter and a gram of weed and get ticketed for the weed but hauled downtown for the pipe. The legislature tried to address this by decriminalizing paraphernalia recently, but the legislation was vetoed by the governor, with a pretty ridiculous explanation and reference to pressure from cop organizations who claimed they'd be unable to stop a guy driving down the street puffing on a weed pipe unless paraphernalia stays illegal. http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/51046/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=16431 EDIT: In Maine, the legislature's Criminal Justice Committee shuts down proposed recreational cannabis legalization, 6-3. So it's looking more like Maine might have to do a 2016 voter initiative rather than push it through the legislature. As expected, Kevvy's minions are thrilled: quote:Scott Gagnon, director of the Maine chapter of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, which opposes legalization, said the coalition was “thrilled and empowered” by the committee’s vote on Thursday. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 14:44 on May 29, 2015 |
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quote:Fewer Pot Packages Found in Mail As Legalization Takes Hold
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Kevin Sabet has the world's easiest job.
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Asset forfeiture of the year:quote:Why take my vibrator? http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/why-take-my-vibrator-michigan-cops-legally-rob-every-belonging-from-medical-marijuana-patient/
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KingEup posted:Asset forfeiture of the year: gently caress civil forfeiture without standing criminal charges in the ear. This idea that something might be the instrument or product of a criminal act, but no one has to even prove that a criminal act was, was being, or was about to be committed is so beyond preposterous that the US is one of very few stable first-world countries that even allows it at all, and from what I can tell the only one where the powers are all but unlimited. And gently caress that prosecutor with the stolen vibrator. No lube.
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The Rohrabacher amendment that prevents the DoJ from interfering with state medical marijuana operations passed 242-186, another amendment aimed at doing the same thing but for state recreational marijuana failed narrowly. This issue is moving fast for sure, I wasn't really expecting anything whatsoever out of this congress. The fact that the recreational vote was so close gives me a lot of hope. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/LegalizationNation/archives/2015/06/04/drug-war-takes-a-shellacking-as-congress-oks-several-canna-bills quote:On medical marijuana, the House voted 242-186 to amend the fiscal year 2016 Commerce, Justice, and Science Appropriations spending bill with a bipartisan provision authored by Congressmembers Sam Farr (D-Calif.) and Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) that protects medical marijuana patients and providers from federal prosecution.
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MaxxBot posted:The Rohrabacher amendment that prevents the DoJ from interfering with state medical marijuana operations passed 242-186, another amendment aimed at doing the same thing but for state recreational marijuana failed narrowly. This issue is moving fast for sure, I wasn't really expecting anything whatsoever out of this congress. The fact that the recreational vote was so close gives me a lot of hope. drat, 16 votes?! Come on guys! I want protection from the feds! Plus it probably would have gotten the banks to hurry up and start dealing with pot shops.
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MaxxBot posted:The fact that the recreational vote was so close gives me a lot of hope. I would never in a million years have guessed it would be that close. Wow.
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Is Christie the single most anti-ganja guy amongst all the quasi-plausible presidential candidates? http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/recreational_marijuana_would_get_turned_off_under.html quote:"If you were president would you return the federal prosecutions in the states of Colorado, Washington states?" Dickerson asked.
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