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Swan Curry posted:Havok and Arn Anderson got me thinking, what notable wrestler is the biggest racist? Were there any wrestlers in the Klan, what with wrestling being so popular in the South? That would be Incredibly Strange Wrestling's Harley Racist and the Ku Klux Klowns. Besides the Harris Bros., don't forget Tony Halme.
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Here's a question: It's been established that Hiro Matsuda broke Hogan's leg when Hogan first trained....does Hogan talk about it in his book at all?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Here's a question: It's been established that Hiro Matsuda broke Hogan's leg when Hogan first trained....does Hogan talk about it in his book at all? I believe it happened between his Pride fights.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Here's a question: It's been established that Hiro Matsuda broke Hogan's leg when Hogan first trained It has? By whom?
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fatherdog posted:It has? By whom? Mike Graham, and Hogan himself apparently (I know Hogan's not exactly a reliable source). But here's the passage. Answers my question. https://books.google.ca/books?id=ct...s%20leg&f=false Regarding Hogan being a liar though, it's not like it was uncommon to beat the poo poo out of greenhorns back then. Bill Watts once told a story Gorilla Monsoon beating the hell out of him in the ring because Gorilla overheard Watts talk about blood capsules because Watts earnestly believed that's how people got color in the ring. And Matsuda did have a rep as being a hard-rear end trainer (he also trained Dick Slater and Pual Orndorff). I've e-mailed Dave to ask because I'm genuinely curious if this is a rare instance of Hogan NOT being full of poo poo
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Thauros posted:Dick Murdoch was apparenty a Klansman: When working ECW, the Harris' decided it would be a good idea to show their SS ink off to Paul Heyman, who's mother just happened to survive a little thing called the Holocaust. Heyman apparently cursed them the biggest blue streak this side of New Jack and immediately fired them. This would be the end of the Harris Twihahaha no it wasn't Vince hired them like the next day.
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Good friends with noted trash Vince Russo, coincidently
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Going back and watching some five-star matches involving Asian wrestlers in the U.S. for a paper, and I have to ask: why is it that some people on the internet still call Ricky Steamboat "the greatest face of all time"? I have no reason to think it's a crazy claim, but it's hard to find coverage and especially video of his early WWF and NWA promos, so I don't have a really clear sense of his mic skills or what kind of face he was supposed to be. Also, was his dragon gimmick ever really used in the late '80s and early '90s? It feels like he didn't actually do much with it outside of wearing a karate gi to the ring and striking some vaguely martial arts-y poses. Edit for clarity: The Steamboat/Savage match and Steamboat/Flair trilogy are obviously amazing, his in-ring work isn't what I'm asking about. I just want to know about how fans felt about him at the time, basically. Valentin fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Why did Heyman fire them when he could have booked them in a match with the Gangstas? Seems shortsighted IMO
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Valentin posted:Going back and watching some five-star matches involving Asian wrestlers in the U.S. for a paper, and I have to ask: why is it that some people on the internet still call Ricky Steamboat "the greatest face of all time"? I have no reason to think it's a crazy claim, but it's hard to find coverage and especially video of his early WWF and NWA promos, so I don't have a really clear sense of his mic skills or what kind of face he was supposed to be. After leaving the NWA in the late 90's, he returned to the WWF, billed simply as "The Dragon", where he'd come to the ring and breathe fire. But he was considered a great face because he had a incredible look, and could easily gain the crowds sympathy through his mannerisms in the ring. He was just so likable. He stressed to Pat Patterson that he'd once like to take a run as a heel, and Patterson told him "We could have you go out there and cut someone up with a chainsaw, and you'd still get cheered."
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Davros1 posted:But he was considered a great face because he had a incredible look, and could easily gain the crowds sympathy through his mannerisms in the ring. He was just so likable. He stressed to Pat Patterson that he'd once like to take a run as a heel, and Patterson told him "We could have you go out there and cut someone up with a chainsaw, and you'd still get cheered." Steamboat ran into trouble with that during his late-80s feud with Flair, who was way cooler and more fun and made Steamboat look like a total dork by comparison. You can hear the crowd cheering/booing against type in some of their angles. Swan Curry posted:Havok and Arn Anderson got me thinking, what notable wrestler is the biggest racist? Were there any wrestlers in the Klan, what with wrestling being so popular in the South? Killer Karl Kox was definitely in the KKK, and apparently David Schultz was a racist rear end in a top hat too. Dusty Rhodes and Michael Hayes come up whenever racism is discussed on MLW Radio.
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Davros1 posted:After leaving the NWA in the late 90's, he returned to the WWF, billed simply as "The Dragon", where he'd come to the ring and breathe fire. Yeah, let's see you not get behind this poo poo: 
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LvK posted:Yeah, let's see you not get behind this poo poo: Holy poo poo.
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Ricky Steamboat was just godawful on the mic. Like, his promo skills were inversely proportional to his ring skills.
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electric funeral posted:Ricky Steamboat was just godawful on the mic. Like, his promo skills were inversely proportional to his ring skills.
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electric funeral posted:Ricky Steamboat was just godawful on the mic. Like, his promo skills were inversely proportional to his ring skills. This is true. I love Ricky Steamboat, he reminds me of Daniel Bryan in the sense that I can watch his matches with no build and still be invested in them. He's a real good storyteller in the ring.
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Did HBK and Undertaker ever face each other in the early 90's? Google just brings up the streak matches.
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MisterGBH posted:Did HBK and Undertaker ever face each other in the early 90's? Google just brings up the streak matches. Nope - http://www.cagematch.net/?id=91&nr=153&page=2
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MisterGBH posted:Did HBK and Undertaker ever face each other in the early 90's? Google just brings up the streak matches. they were in the first Hell in a Cell match (where Kane debuted) among other matches
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I knew about HITC. Just interesting that they were in the same company for all that time and never had a singles match until much later.
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MisterGBH posted:Did HBK and Undertaker ever face each other in the early 90's? Google just brings up the streak matches. per the cagematch.net database prior to things popping off in 1997 their only singles match was at a house show http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=761&page=4&search=shawn+michaels
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Steamboat was just holding the title until Sami Zayn came along
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electric funeral posted:Ricky Steamboat was just godawful on the mic. Like, his promo skills were inversely proportional to his ring skills. It was fun when he feuded with Jericho though. It was like when they do Old School Raw and guys like Cowboy Bob Orton were never great promos but come across as real talkers because most of the current talent is so scripted and flat. Flair has a great opinion on Steamboat, that he's the greatest face but not the greatest wrestler because he never worked heel too.
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It still cracks me up that a dude legit named "Rick Blood" never worked heel.
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Or that a guy legit named "Dick Blood" never worked in ECW.
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Anyone have a list of chair riots that have happened? My Googling has only brought up the ECW one with Funk/Cactus vs Public Enemy, one in CZW, and the Ring of Homicide one. I know there has been more, and, more importantly, I was pretty sure I was at one in ROH. Though I could just be remembering THINKING there was one about to start.
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Magneto Rex posted:Anyone have a list of chair riots that have happened? I think Terry Funk actually tried to get fans to throw chairs during a bunch of matches at ECW Arena in early 1994, but the fans never really bought into it until the Public Enemy match at Hardcore Heaven in August: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5yG56iOtOg
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Can someone please link me to that clip of the Mexican Ninja Turtles match where the guy is hiptossing everyone who enters the ring, including his three teammates who all lie there pedalling their feet because they can't get off their backs?
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magnum_valentino posted:Can someone please link me to that clip of the Mexican Ninja Turtles match where the guy is hiptossing everyone who enters the ring, including his three teammates who all lie there pedalling their feet because they can't get off their backs? I made a gif http://giant.gfycat.com/TiredSatisfiedEsok.gif
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Sebastian Vettel posted:Probably gets asked a lot but the Ambrose fake out has me wondering. Who was the last person in WWE who got their first world title off something other than a MitB cash in? Christian oh wait nvm Mark Henry won his first later that year. I just wanted to point out that everyone rightly forgot about Christian's WHC reign
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lmao Dr. rear end posted:Christian Is that the one that went from the PPV to the Smackdown taping 2 days later?
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bradzilla posted:lmao yup, Edge retired and left the title vacant, Christian beat ADR for the title at the next PPV, then dropped it to Orton on SD that week
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And then got the belt back because Orton kicked him in the balls.
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sticklefifer posted:And then got the belt back because Orton kicked him in the balls. That entire series was some fantastic in ring storytelling. Every match, both guys seemed prepared with new counters for signature moves and it culminated in Christian playing on Randy's longstanding character trait to get a genius win.
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So since Batista at WM21, all first-time world championship wins have been either: 1.) Via Money in the Bank 2.) For the Smackdown title 3.) A tables match with a banana peel finish
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Web Jew.0 posted:So since Batista at WM21, all first-time world championship wins have been either: well no, what about when Edge-- oh uh when Rob Van D-- uhhhh how about Rey Mys-- hey Booker T got his first WWE world title when he was King B-- okay how about the Great Kha-- maybe when Jeff H-- fuuuuuuuck
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Magneto Rex posted:Anyone have a list of chair riots that have happened? There was a one at Better Than Our Best during Cabana-Homicide.
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Dr. rear end posted:well no, what about when Edge-- oh uh when Rob Van D-- uhhhh how about Rey Mys-- hey Booker T got his first WWE world title when he was King B-- okay how about the Great Kha-- maybe when Jeff H-- fuuuuuuuck Jeff Hardy won the WWE Championship in a triple threat against HHH and Edge at Armageddon in 2008.
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